On 20/07/10 00:58, David Timms wrote:
Hi, as a subscriber to fedora-music, now music@lists.fedoraproject.org, it seems that the list is configured differently to other fedora lists:
- when I receive and email, then click reply for other fedora lists, the
reply automatically has the list address as the to: recipient.
- on music, this does not occur, instead the mail goes back to the
original author, only.
For a collaboration list, this is rather limiting:
- ideas/answers get sent back to an individual, rather than all list
members (by default). People feel like they are being singled out.
- it feels more like one on one communication, rather than trying to
build a "team" of interested people. Other interested parties miss the communication.
Could the list configuration be checked and adjusted so that the reply-to music@list header is included ?
Or should this be requested elsewhere ?
Would you like me to announce the proposed change on the list incase anyone considers it a bad idea ?
Hi All,
At the moment,the fedora music list has no owner: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/136608/focus=136609 , and hence there is no one to perform a change like the above. Ideally: 1. we have an actual list owner / owners 2. depending upon our consensus: we should have the configured with reply-to munging, so that hitting reply causes to to: address to be the list address.
Are there any people who would like to take up the owner task ?
What do people think about 'enhancing' our collaboration by using the reply-to munging as many other fedora lits use ?
David Timms
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:05 AM, David Timms wrote:
On 20/07/10 00:58, David Timms wrote:
Hi, as a subscriber to fedora-music, now music@lists.fedoraproject.org, it seems that the list is configured differently to other fedora lists:
- when I receive and email, then click reply for other fedora lists, the
reply automatically has the list address as the to: recipient.
- on music, this does not occur, instead the mail goes back to the
original author, only.
For a collaboration list, this is rather limiting:
- ideas/answers get sent back to an individual, rather than all list
members (by default). People feel like they are being singled out.
- it feels more like one on one communication, rather than trying to
build a "team" of interested people. Other interested parties miss the communication.
Could the list configuration be checked and adjusted so that the reply-to music@list header is included ?
Or should this be requested elsewhere ?
Would you like me to announce the proposed change on the list incase anyone considers it a bad idea ?
Hi All,
At the moment,the fedora music list has no owner: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/136608/focus=136609 , and hence there is no one to perform a change like the above. Ideally:
- we have an actual list owner / owners
- depending upon our consensus: we should have the configured with
reply-to munging, so that hitting reply causes to to: address to be the list address.
Are there any people who would like to take up the owner task ?
What do people think about 'enhancing' our collaboration by using the reply-to munging as many other fedora lits use ?
Hello, I don't really know what you are trying to establish, probably because I don't know what 'reply-to munging' is.
I am subscribed to 10+ fedora lists, and I don't see a difference between this list and the other ones when it comes to replying to messages.
Can you be a little more specific about what will change in my life if I start munching on reply-tos, whatever that means.
Thanks, Orcan
On 30/07/10 01:49, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:05 AM, David Timms wrote:
On 20/07/10 00:58, David Timms wrote:
Hi, as a subscriber to fedora-music, now music@lists.fedoraproject.org, it seems that the list is configured differently to other fedora lists:
- when I receive and email, then click reply for other fedora lists, the
reply automatically has the list address as the to: recipient.
- on music, this does not occur, instead the mail goes back to the
original author, only.
...
Can you be a little more specific about what will change in my life if I start munching on reply-tos, whatever that means.
Perhaps this is something weird with only my machine ?
The situation is: Issue: - A message comes into my inbox from the music list. (in a real client like thunderbird). - I click reply - I get rid of the unwanted part of the quote, and write my response - I press send
What happens: - only the original author who sent to the list receives the response
What should happen: (eg. devel@ , users@ etc). - the list should receive the response
Why I think this is unhelpful ? Just about every conversation that begins on the list ends up turning into personal replies only. So the list is uninteresting because it has queries, and discussions with few responses (except for those people who do something to ensure they fix their to: field before sending. I just think it breaks the collaboration that the list is supposed to encourage.
Think of this like: there is a group of peers standing around in earshot of each other. A person asks a question/starts a discussion, that all hear. Then multiple individual people in the the group go over to the discussion initiator and whisper a response in their ear, instead of just speaking in front of the group, to share their opinion/answer/etc.
1. Does no one else see this issue ?
2. Lets say I go ahead and make this change, would anybody find it to be annoying that the above "what should happen" then occurs ?
ps: Orcan: even the response you just sent ends up not being threaded properly because it is to: me, but with a cc: to the music-list. And clicking reply would have only sent it to you.
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 07:59 +1000, David Timms wrote:
- Does no one else see this issue ?
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html This is the usual argument against munging. I do not have any strong feelings either way. The mailman documentation urges no munging and that's what I've followed on the lists I administer. It's also the policy on most of the lists to which I subscribe.
The main argument for munging as best I can understand is that reply and reply-all will both go to the list. There is no choice. I've also encountered people who object to the duplication of getting a direct reply *and* a copy from the list. My email program (Evolution) seems to do a reasonable job of suppressing the duplicates.
I had not realized that many replies were getting lost.
On 07/29/2010 06:29 PM, Lloyd Kvam wrote:
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 07:59 +1000, David Timms wrote:
- Does no one else see this issue ?
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html This is the usual argument against munging. I do not have any strong feelings either way. The mailman documentation urges no munging and that's what I've followed on the lists I administer. It's also the policy on most of the lists to which I subscribe.
The main argument for munging as best I can understand is that reply and reply-all will both go to the list. There is no choice. I've also encountered people who object to the duplication of getting a direct reply *and* a copy from the list. My email program (Evolution) seems to do a reasonable job of suppressing the duplicates.
I had not realized that many replies were getting lost.
I'm with Lloyd on this one. Thunderbird gives me two buttons: "reply," and "reply list." It's pretty straight-forward.
As for whether the list should have an owner is an entirely different issue.
Christopher.
-
Christopher Antila -
Development discussions related to Fedora -
Lloyd Kvam -
Orcan Ogetbil