Content Packaging

[Brian Monroe]

I've had conversations with others about packaging content material for the
Audio spin and it doesn't seem like that currently possible with how things
are packed in Fedora.

I know we don't quite have our package list together at this point, but I
think there's a need for decent content for some of the plugins like
samplers, reverbs, drumloops and the like. I think the more stuff like this
we have available immediately for the audio spin, the more end users we're
going to attract. Even presets for things like graphic EQs and the like.
Anything to make less hassle for users...

Anyone else feel this way, or am I alone in my line of thought? I may be
easily persuaded after seeing it from another's point of view and I wonder
how important it is in the large scheme of things.

On a side note, I have sourceforge project that we could host content at if
needed. (hurray for unlimited bandwith and drive space for large files) I
know we're a ways off in implementing something like this, but it's not too
soon to start gathering resources for it.

[Christopher Antila]

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Hi:

I'm not too familiar with Fedora's packaging guidelines, but it's
possible they wouldn't want us to ship media files. But it does seem
like a good idea... if we can somehow make it super-easy to get stuff
to make stuff with, more stuff will be made.

However, I suspect the 'best practices' strategy is to post RPMs on
RPMFusion, rather than to ask users to download from a SourceForge
project. RPMFusion already hosts several packages with features
unacceptable for official Fedora packages (like MP3 support).

Of course, if RPMFusion also doesn't want to host our RPMs, then a
SourceForge project is a good choice. Is it possible to set up an RPM
repository on SourceForge?


Christopher.


On 04/11/2012 05:12 PM, Brian Monroe wrote:
>  I've had conversations with others about packaging content
> material
>  for the Audio spin and it doesn't seem like that currently possible
>  with how things are packed in Fedora.
>  
>  I know we don't quite have our package list together at this point,
>  but I think there's a need for decent content for some of the
>  plugins like samplers, reverbs, drumloops and the like. I think the
>  more stuff like this we have available immediately for the audio
>  spin, the more end users we're going to attract. Even presets for
>  things like graphic EQs and the like. Anything to make less hassle
>  for users...
>  
>  Anyone else feel this way, or am I alone in my line of thought? I
>  may be easily persuaded after seeing it from another's point of
>  view and I wonder how important it is in the large scheme of
>  things.
>  
>  On a side note, I have sourceforge project that we could host
>  content at if needed. (hurray for unlimited bandwith and drive
>  space for large files) I know we're a ways off in implementing
>  something like this, but it's not too soon to start gathering
>  resources for it.
>  
>  
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>  music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org 
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[Brian Monroe]

Well my thought was perhaps set up a script that uses FTP since that's one
of the things that sourceforge offers with their account. We could set up a
guest account with read only privileges in a script that downloads the .wav
files and stores them in the appropriate locations for samples loops and
audio impulse files.

I don't know if a script and the FTP would be easier than enabling an repo
for newbs to Linux. I was under the impression that the rpmfusion repos
were disabled by default and there weren't any links to them in the spin.

I also don't know if Fedora would allow us to package a script that
download content from off site either, though as I think about it, that's
what KDE and GNOME do for background pictures and sound motifs for their
DEs. Maybe it'll fly....
On Apr 11, 2012 6:07 PM, "Christopher R. Antila"
<crantila(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:

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>  Hi:
>
>  I'm not too familiar with Fedora's packaging guidelines, but it's
>  possible they wouldn't want us to ship media files. But it does seem
>  like a good idea... if we can somehow make it super-easy to get stuff
>  to make stuff with, more stuff will be made.
>
>  However, I suspect the 'best practices' strategy is to post RPMs on
>  RPMFusion, rather than to ask users to download from a SourceForge
>  project. RPMFusion already hosts several packages with features
>  unacceptable for official Fedora packages (like MP3 support).
>
>  Of course, if RPMFusion also doesn't want to host our RPMs, then a
>  SourceForge project is a good choice. Is it possible to set up an RPM
>  repository on SourceForge?
>
>
>  Christopher.
>
>
>  On 04/11/2012 05:12 PM, Brian Monroe wrote:
>  > I've had conversations with others about packaging content material
>  > for the Audio spin and it doesn't seem like that currently possible
>  > with how things are packed in Fedora.
>  >
>  > I know we don't quite have our package list together at this point,
>  > but I think there's a need for decent content for some of the
>  > plugins like samplers, reverbs, drumloops and the like. I think the
>  > more stuff like this we have available immediately for the audio
>  > spin, the more end users we're going to attract. Even presets for
>  > things like graphic EQs and the like. Anything to make less hassle
>  > for users...
>  >
>  > Anyone else feel this way, or am I alone in my line of thought? I
>  > may be easily persuaded after seeing it from another's point of
>  > view and I wonder how important it is in the large scheme of
>  > things.
>  >
>  > On a side note, I have sourceforge project that we could host
>  > content at if needed. (hurray for unlimited bandwith and drive
>  > space for large files) I know we're a ways off in implementing
>  > something like this, but it's not too soon to start gathering
>  > resources for it.
>  >
>  >
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[Brendan Jones]

On 04/12/2012 03:07 AM, Christopher R. Antila wrote:
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>  Hi:
>
>  I'm not too familiar with Fedora's packaging guidelines, but it's
>  possible they wouldn't want us to ship media files. But it does seem
>  like a good idea... if we can somehow make it super-easy to get stuff
>  to make stuff with, more stuff will be made.
>  
Here's where it is documented: 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Code_Vs_Content

Loosely you could consider hydron drumkits gig files or sfaz as fonts, 
so I see know proble with that, as long as we can package them where 
they will be found by an application.

Impulse response files are really useful bu there is no standard place 
for them as yet.


>  However, I suspect the 'best practices' strategy is to post
> RPMs on
>  RPMFusion, rather than to ask users to download from a SourceForge
>  project. RPMFusion already hosts several packages with features
>  unacceptable for official Fedora packages (like MP3 support).
>
>  Of course, if RPMFusion also doesn't want to host our RPMs, then a
>  SourceForge project is a good choice. Is it possible to set up an RPM
>  repository on SourceForge?
>
>
>  Christopher.
>
>
>  On 04/11/2012 05:12 PM, Brian Monroe wrote:
> > I've had conversations with others about packaging content material
> > for the Audio spin and it doesn't seem like that currently possible
> > with how things are packed in Fedora.
> >
> > I know we don't quite have our package list together at this point,
> > but I think there's a need for decent content for some of the
> > plugins like samplers, reverbs, drumloops and the like. I think the
> > more stuff like this we have available immediately for the audio
> > spin, the more end users we're going to attract. Even presets for
> > things like graphic EQs and the like. Anything to make less hassle
> > for users...
> >
> > Anyone else feel this way, or am I alone in my line of thought? I
> > may be easily persuaded after seeing it from another's point of
> > view and I wonder how important it is in the large scheme of
> > things.
> >
> > On a side note, I have sourceforge project that we could host
> > content at if needed. (hurray for unlimited bandwith and drive
> > space for large files) I know we're a ways off in implementing
> > something like this, but it's not too soon to start gathering
> > resources for it.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________ music mailing list
> > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music
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[Brendan Jones]

On 04/12/2012 03:23 AM, Brian Monroe wrote:
>  Well my thought was perhaps set up a script that uses FTP since
> that's
>  one of the things that sourceforge offers with their account. We could
>  set up a guest account with read only privileges in a script that
>  downloads the .wav files and stores them in the appropriate locations
>  for samples loops and audio impulse files.
>
>  I don't know if a script and the FTP would be easier than enabling an
>  repo for newbs to Linux. I was under the impression that the rpmfusion
>  repos were disabled by default and there weren't any links to them in
>  the spin.
>
>  I also don't know if Fedora would allow us to package a script that
>  download content from off site either, though as I think about it,
>  that's what KDE and GNOME do for background pictures and sound motifs
>  for their DEs. Maybe it'll fly.... 
Sure that's OK. As long as its obvious - its not as if we'd be 
installing applications in parallel to yum. Good be a good application 
idea, i.e. a front end to freesound, soundfonts, hydrogen kits, synth 
presets etc

[Christopher Antila]

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On 04/12/2012 10:21 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
>  On 04/12/2012 03:23 AM, Brian Monroe wrote:
> > Well my thought was perhaps set up a script that uses FTP since
> > that's one of the things that sourceforge offers with their
> > account. We could set up a guest account with read only
> > privileges in a script that downloads the .wav files and stores
> > them in the appropriate locations for samples loops and audio
> > impulse files.
> > 
> > I don't know if a script and the FTP would be easier than
> > enabling an repo for newbs to Linux. I was under the impression
> > that the rpmfusion repos were disabled by default and there
> > weren't any links to them in the spin.
> > 
> > I also don't know if Fedora would allow us to package a script
> > that download content from off site either, though as I think
> > about it, that's what KDE and GNOME do for background pictures
> > and sound motifs for their DEs. Maybe it'll fly....
>  
>  Sure that's OK. As long as its obvious - its not as if we'd be 
>  installing applications in parallel to yum. Good be a good
>  application idea, i.e. a front end to freesound, soundfonts,
>  hydrogen kits, synth presets etc 
I'd be more comfortable with a (GUI?)
front-end so we can specifically
warn users that they're downloading material from other websites.

Also, I think we can make an argument for things like drum loops to be
included in the official repository anyway. At least if we package
them all together. Then host extras elsewhere.

>  
>  
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>  music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org 
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[Brian Monroe]

Cool, I'm pretty sure I can get some stuff together. I'm working on getting
some contributors for my side project (audiencesamples.sourceforge.net) for
drum loops and single hit samples.

As an update I found some opensource Impulse response files, They're not
open to Fedora Standards, but their CC-SA so I can "master" them at a
higher bitrate and throw an exciter on them for over/undertones, then
release them under the audience sample library so we can package them.
Which is good, because it took me over 30 minutes to download them just
from one site and I think I have a lead on some more I can get.

I found a windows based program that lets you generate digital IR data.
Anyone know of anything like that linux side? I'll check some other places
as well.

I'm excited. #coolcoolcool

-Brian
-
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Christopher R. Antila <
crantila(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

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>  On 04/12/2012 10:21 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
>  > On 04/12/2012 03:23 AM, Brian Monroe wrote:
>  >> Well my thought was perhaps set up a script that uses FTP since
>  >> that's one of the things that sourceforge offers with their
>  >> account. We could set up a guest account with read only
>  >> privileges in a script that downloads the .wav files and stores
>  >> them in the appropriate locations for samples loops and audio
>  >> impulse files.
>  >>
>  >> I don't know if a script and the FTP would be easier than
>  >> enabling an repo for newbs to Linux. I was under the impression
>  >> that the rpmfusion repos were disabled by default and there
>  >> weren't any links to them in the spin.
>  >>
>  >> I also don't know if Fedora would allow us to package a script
>  >> that download content from off site either, though as I think
>  >> about it, that's what KDE and GNOME do for background pictures
>  >> and sound motifs for their DEs. Maybe it'll fly....
>  >
>  > Sure that's OK. As long as its obvious - its not as if we'd be
>  > installing applications in parallel to yum. Good be a good
>  > application idea, i.e. a front end to freesound, soundfonts,
>  > hydrogen kits, synth presets etc
>  I'd be more comfortable with a (GUI?) front-end so we can specifically
>  warn users that they're downloading material from other websites.
>
>  Also, I think we can make an argument for things like drum loops to be
>  included in the official repository anyway. At least if we package
>  them all together. Then host extras elsewhere.
>
>  >
>  >
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[Christopher Antila]

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CC-BY-SA is acceptable for Fedora--all of the documentation is
licensed with it.

By "IR" do you mean "Information Retrieval," aka "machine
learning?"
With some effort, we could get something packaged for Fedora.


Christopher.

On 04/13/2012 01:16 PM, Brian Monroe wrote:
>  Cool, I'm pretty sure I can get some stuff together. I'm
> working
>  on getting some contributors for my side project 
>  (audiencesamples.sourceforge.net 
>  <http://audiencesamples.sourceforge.net>) for drum loops and single
>  hit samples.
>  
>  As an update I found some opensource Impulse response files,
>  They're not open to Fedora Standards, but their CC-SA so I can
>  "master" them at a higher bitrate and throw an exciter on them for
>  over/undertones, then release them under the audience sample
>  library so we can package them. Which is good, because it took me
>  over 30 minutes to download them just from one site and I think I
>  have a lead on some more I can get.
>  
>  I found a windows based program that lets you generate digital IR
>  data. Anyone know of anything like that linux side? I'll check some
>  other places as well.
>  
>  I'm excited. #coolcoolcool
>  
>  -Brian - On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Christopher R. Antila 
>  <crantila(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>  wrote:
>  
>  On 04/12/2012 10:21 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
> > On 04/12/2012 03:23 AM, Brian Monroe wrote:
> >> Well my thought was perhaps set up a script that uses FTP
> >> since that's one of the things that sourceforge offers with
> >> their account. We could set up a guest account with read only 
> >> privileges in a script that downloads the .wav files and
> >> stores them in the appropriate locations for samples loops and
> >> audio impulse files.
> >> 
> >> I don't know if a script and the FTP would be easier than 
> >> enabling an repo for newbs to Linux. I was under the
> >> impression that the rpmfusion repos were disabled by default
> >> and there weren't any links to them in the spin.
> >> 
> >> I also don't know if Fedora would allow us to package a script 
> >> that download content from off site either, though as I think 
> >> about it, that's what KDE and GNOME do for background pictures 
> >> and sound motifs for their DEs. Maybe it'll fly....
>  
> > Sure that's OK. As long as its obvious - its not as if we'd be 
> > installing applications in parallel to yum. Good be a good 
> > application idea, i.e. a front end to freesound, soundfonts, 
> > hydrogen kits, synth presets etc
>  I'd be more comfortable with a (GUI?) front-end so we can
>  specifically warn users that they're downloading material from
>  other websites.
>  
>  Also, I think we can make an argument for things like drum loops to
>  be included in the official repository anyway. At least if we
>  package them all together. Then host extras elsewhere.
>  
>  
>  
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[Callum Lerwick]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Brian Monroe <briancmonroe(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  I've had conversations with others about packaging content
> material for the
>  Audio spin and it doesn't seem like that currently possible with how things
>  are packed in Fedora.
>
>  I know we don't quite have our package list together at this point, but I
>  think there's a need for decent content for some of the plugins like
>  samplers, reverbs, drumloops and the like. I think the more stuff like this
>  we have available immediately for the audio spin, the more end users we're
>  going to attract. Even presets for things like graphic EQs and the like.
>  Anything to make less hassle for users...
>
>  Anyone else feel this way, or am I alone in my line of thought? I may be
>  easily persuaded after seeing it from another's point of view and I wonder
>  how important it is in the large scheme of things.
>
>  On a side note, I have sourceforge project that we could host content at if
>  needed. (hurray for unlimited bandwith and drive space for large files) I
>  know we're a ways off in implementing something like this, but it's not too
>  soon to start gathering resources for it. 
I think RPM is fundamentally unsuitable for managing large amounts of,
lets call it "general content". It's purely designed for system-wide
resources, mostly designed for executables, and I don't think that's
really a good way to handle general content. It means stuff goes in
/usr/share which means /usr/share will potentially grow without limit,
which complicates partitioning. It means a user has to have
administrator access to install, update and remove stuff. It means
such content is subject to the Fedora release cycle, and update
bureaucracy. While doing it through RPM is not completely unworkable,
I think it can be done better.

I think what we really need, in addition to RPM, is something more
like iTunes/Steam/Google Play/Xbox Live/etc, something that will
manage content inside a user's home directory rather than system wide.
Everything would be stored somewhere under /home/, which is already
expected to grow without limit. And administrator access would no
longer be required. And such content would no longer be tied to the
Fedora release cycle.

If there's a need for such content to be available to more than one
user, we should do it through some kind of shared user directory,
stuff can go in something like /home/Public/{Music,Photos,Videos,etc},
and we add UI to make it easily accessible. Windows has been doing
this kind of thing for a while now.

This is an area where Fedora is WAY behind Apple, Microsoft, Sony,
Nintendo, Valve and even Google.

We need DLC!

[Brian Monroe]

Currently the ones I found had the non commercial clause which means they
can't be packaged, hence my searching around and remastering. A lot of
items have a clause that limits hosting the material unaltered as well.
Having something in the /home/Public might be just what we need as long as
we can redirect settings in plugins and programs to add content from there.
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Christopher R. Antila <
crantila(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

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>  CC-BY-SA is acceptable for Fedora--all of the documentation is
>  licensed with it.
>
>  By "IR" do you mean "Information Retrieval," aka "machine
> learning?"
>  With some effort, we could get something packaged for Fedora.
>
>
>  Christopher.
>
>  On 04/13/2012 01:16 PM, Brian Monroe wrote:
>  > Cool, I'm pretty sure I can get some stuff together. I'm working
>  > on getting some contributors for my side project
>  > (audiencesamples.sourceforge.net
>  > <http://audiencesamples.sourceforge.net>) for drum loops and single
>  > hit samples.
>  >
>  > As an update I found some opensource Impulse response files,
>  > They're not open to Fedora Standards, but their CC-SA so I can
>  > "master" them at a higher bitrate and throw an exciter on them for
>  > over/undertones, then release them under the audience sample
>  > library so we can package them. Which is good, because it took me
>  > over 30 minutes to download them just from one site and I think I
>  > have a lead on some more I can get.
>  >
>  > I found a windows based program that lets you generate digital IR
>  > data. Anyone know of anything like that linux side? I'll check some
>  > other places as well.
>  >
>  > I'm excited. #coolcoolcool
>  >
>  > -Brian - On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Christopher R. Antila
>  > <crantila(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>  > wrote:
>  >
>  > On 04/12/2012 10:21 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
>  >> On 04/12/2012 03:23 AM, Brian Monroe wrote:
>  >>> Well my thought was perhaps set up a script that uses FTP
>  >>> since that's one of the things that sourceforge offers with
>  >>> their account. We could set up a guest account with read only
>  >>> privileges in a script that downloads the .wav files and
>  >>> stores them in the appropriate locations for samples loops and
>  >>> audio impulse files.
>  >>>
>  >>> I don't know if a script and the FTP would be easier than
>  >>> enabling an repo for newbs to Linux. I was under the
>  >>> impression that the rpmfusion repos were disabled by default
>  >>> and there weren't any links to them in the spin.
>  >>>
>  >>> I also don't know if Fedora would allow us to package a script
>  >>> that download content from off site either, though as I think
>  >>> about it, that's what KDE and GNOME do for background pictures
>  >>> and sound motifs for their DEs. Maybe it'll fly....
>  >
>  >> Sure that's OK. As long as its obvious - its not as if we'd be
>  >> installing applications in parallel to yum. Good be a good
>  >> application idea, i.e. a front end to freesound, soundfonts,
>  >> hydrogen kits, synth presets etc
>  > I'd be more comfortable with a (GUI?) front-end so we can
>  > specifically warn users that they're downloading material from
>  > other websites.
>  >
>  > Also, I think we can make an argument for things like drum loops to
>  > be included in the official repository anyway. At least if we
>  > package them all together. Then host extras elsewhere.
>  >
>  >
>  >
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[Christopher Antila]

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Hi:

Absolutely right. There are some obvious reasons that Fedora hasn't
developed a content-distribution system yet, but that doesn't mean we
shouldn't. If there is enough developer interest, I think a
free-culture "content store" would be very useful.


Christopher.

On 04/14/2012 02:43 PM, Callum Lerwick wrote:
>  On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Brian Monroe
>  <briancmonroe(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > I've had conversations with others about packaging content
> > material for the Audio spin and it doesn't seem like that
> > currently possible with how things are packed in Fedora.
> > 
> > I know we don't quite have our package list together at this
> > point, but I think there's a need for decent content for some of
> > the plugins like samplers, reverbs, drumloops and the like. I
> > think the more stuff like this we have available immediately for
> > the audio spin, the more end users we're going to attract. Even
> > presets for things like graphic EQs and the like. Anything to
> > make less hassle for users...
> > 
> > Anyone else feel this way, or am I alone in my line of thought? I
> > may be easily persuaded after seeing it from another's point of
> > view and I wonder how important it is in the large scheme of
> > things.
> > 
> > On a side note, I have sourceforge project that we could host
> > content at if needed. (hurray for unlimited bandwith and drive
> > space for large files) I know we're a ways off in implementing
> > something like this, but it's not too soon to start gathering
> > resources for it.
>  
>  I think RPM is fundamentally unsuitable for managing large amounts
>  of, lets call it "general content". It's purely designed for
>  system-wide resources, mostly designed for executables, and I don't
>  think that's really a good way to handle general content. It means
>  stuff goes in /usr/share which means /usr/share will potentially
>  grow without limit, which complicates partitioning. It means a user
>  has to have administrator access to install, update and remove
>  stuff. It means such content is subject to the Fedora release
>  cycle, and update bureaucracy. While doing it through RPM is not
>  completely unworkable, I think it can be done better.
>  
>  I think what we really need, in addition to RPM, is something more 
>  like iTunes/Steam/Google Play/Xbox Live/etc, something that will 
>  manage content inside a user's home directory rather than system
>  wide. Everything would be stored somewhere under /home/, which is
>  already expected to grow without limit. And administrator access
>  would no longer be required. And such content would no longer be
>  tied to the Fedora release cycle.
>  
>  If there's a need for such content to be available to more than
>  one user, we should do it through some kind of shared user
>  directory, stuff can go in something like
>  /home/Public/{Music,Photos,Videos,etc}, and we add UI to make it
>  easily accessible. Windows has been doing this kind of thing for a
>  while now.
>  
>  This is an area where Fedora is WAY behind Apple, Microsoft, Sony, 
>  Nintendo, Valve and even Google.
>  
>  We need DLC! _______________________________________________ music
>  mailing list music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org 
> >  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music
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[Brendan Jones]

On 04/16/2012 01:07 AM, Christopher R. Antila wrote:
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>  Hi:
>
>  Absolutely right. There are some obvious reasons that Fedora hasn't
>  developed a content-distribution system yet, but that doesn't mean we
>  shouldn't. If there is enough developer interest, I think a
>  free-culture "content store" would be very useful.
>
>
>  Christopher. 
I agree that solving the problem of content available to users is a 
difficult one. There are just so many issues to consider given the wide 
and varied nature of where the content exists on the web, and the 
resources required to host it.

Some audio applications have tried to help by providing interfaces to 
audio resources such as freesound to pull content in directly into 
application. Hydrogen and ardour are examples of this (although hydrogen 
maintains its own set of kits online somewhere). One way to petition 
upstream to develop such interfaces. The Impulse Response repository 
Brian has mentioned is an example where an applications that us ethese 
files could really enrich the user experience.

However, I'd just like to point out it is permitted to package content 
[1] but it requires a bit of common sense. To quote from this link:

"If the content enhances the OS user experience, then the content is OK 
to be packaged in Fedora."

Having said that, I think there's little point in packaging audio 
content in /usr/share if the user is not going to be able find where it 
is to use it. Some applications will look in /user/share/<app> first 
before looking in the users home directories for patches/banks etc. This 
to me sounds like a good candidate for content package where this occurs.

If it is possible to package examples from the Musicians guide and have 
them easily locatable that could also be considered useful.

Food for thought.

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Code_Vs_Content