Help with StudioControls – Studio Set Up Utility

[bruce]

Hi, I’ve just installed fedora jam on my spare laptop. I’ve been using
windows for all my music, and I want to see what linux has to offer. I went
with Jam because I wouldn’t know what software to install or how to
configure it, so this seems like the place to start.

But I’m not getting anywhere using it, and the wiki doesn’t seem to have
much info.

Here is my problem: when I plug in my audio interface (I’m using GuitarPort)
I get unprocessed raw sound from my guitar in my headphones right away,
before I even start anything. (Normally I don’t hear anything until the
signal is routed through the amplifier software, but I’ve never used it in
linux before, maybe that is expected?)

I went into StudioControls -> Audio Setup -> Jack Master Setting, and I see
the following:

Jack Master Device (no USB): lists my sound card and my guitar port.

USB device that should be Master: No USB Master.

The thing is, GuitarPort *is* a USB device. No matter what I do, all I get
is raw guitar output. I feel a bit like all I’m doing is closing my eyes
and poking at it with a stick. Are there some instructions on how to set
this up?

Thanks,

bruce

[Bruno Vernay]

Hi,
First : this list is kind of dead, at least you won't have too many mail
from it.
Then about you interface, I guess it is the Line 6 GuitarPort.
I could not find whether it is Class Compliant or not.  (Some interfaces
require a driver and will only work on Windows/MAc)

You could try to connect it to various USB ports on you PC and
- type "dmesg" in a console just after having plugged the USB, to see what
is recognized.
- If the console is too alien for you.  Launch QJack (graphical application
that should be already installed) ; Go to "Setup ..." and look at the
"Interface" drop down list if you can see your interface.

That would be a start.

Note that until your interface is recognized the distributions or
applications you are using won't make a difference.  Let's first solve that

Regards
Bruno

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:24 AM bruce  wrote:
> Hi, I’ve just installed fedora jam on my spare laptop. I’ve been using
> windows for all my music, and I want to see what linux has to offer. I
> went with Jam because I wouldn’t know what software to install or how to
> configure it, so this seems like the place to start.
>
> But I’m not getting anywhere using it, and the wiki doesn’t seem to have
> much info.
>
> Here is my problem: when I plug in my audio interface (I’m using
> GuitarPort) I get unprocessed raw sound from my guitar in my headphones
> right away, before I even start anything. (Normally I don’t hear anything
> until the signal is routed through the amplifier software, but I’ve never
> used it in linux before, maybe that is expected?)
>
> I went into StudioControls -> Audio Setup -> Jack Master Setting, and I
> see the following:
>
> Jack Master Device (no USB): lists my sound card and my guitar port.
>
> USB device that should be Master: No USB Master.
>
> The thing is, GuitarPort *is* a USB device. No matter what I do, all I
> get is raw guitar output. I feel a bit like all I’m doing is closing my
> eyes and poking at it with a stick. Are there some instructions on how to
> set this up?
>
> Thanks,
>
> bruce
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[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi Bruce and Bruno,

On 11/1/20 3:51 AM, Bruno Vernay wrote:
> Hi,
> First : this list is kind of dead, at least you won't have too many 
> mail from it.
> Then about you interface, I guess it is the Line 6 GuitarPort.
> I could not find whether it is Class Compliant or not. (Some 
> interfaces require a driver and will only work on Windows/MAc)
>
> You could try to connect it to various USB ports on you PC and
> type "dmesg" in a console just after having plugged the USB, to see
>
> what is recognized.
> If the console is too alien for you.  Launch QJack (graphical
>
> application that should be already installed) ; Go to "Setup ..." and 
> look at the "Interface" drop down list if you can see your interface.
>
> That would be a start.
>
> Note that until your interface is recognized the distributions or 
> applications you are using won't make a difference.  Let's first solve 
> that
>
> Regards
> Bruno
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:24 AM bruce <[e-mail] 
> > wrote:
> Hi, I’ve just installed fedora jam on my spare laptop. I’ve been
> using windows for all my music, and I want to see what linux has
> to offer. I went with Jam because I wouldn’t know what software to
> install or how to configure it, so this seems like the place to
> start.
>
>
> But I’m not getting anywhere using it, and the wiki doesn’t seem
> to have much info.
>
> Here is my problem: when I plug in my audio interface (I’m using
> GuitarPort) I get unprocessed raw sound from my guitar in my
> headphones right away, before I even start anything. (Normally I
> don’t hear anything until the signal is routed through the
> amplifier software, but I’ve never used it in linux before, maybe
> that is expected?)
>
>
> I went into StudioControls -> Audio Setup -> Jack Master Setting,
> and I see the following:
>
> Jack Master Device (no USB): lists my sound card and my guitar port.
>
> USB device that should be Master: No USB Master.
>
>
> The thing is, GuitarPort *is* a USB device. No matter what I do,
> all I get is raw guitar output. I feel a bit like all I’m doing is
> closing my eyes and poking at it with a stick. Are there some
> instructions on how to set this up?
>
> Thanks,
>
> bruce
>
>
>
> -- 
> Bruno VERNAY

So, QJackCtl is overly-complicated, and unless you know what you're 
doing it should be avoided. This is why I started including Studio 
Controls with Jam. Studio Controls simplifies it.

And, I'm sorry I'm just now answering this. My time is quite limited 
this weekend due to family events.

What it looks like is that the device is being recognized, JACK is 
starting, but the device isn't being patched to the outputs. Open Carla, 
and click on the Patchbay tab. From there you can drag a wire from your 
input to whatever output (or plugin input) you'd like. Carla is a plugin 
host, so think of it as an effects rack or an equipment rack, and the 
patchbay as a patchbay, or the back of said rack.

I hope that helps.

--
Erich Eickmeyer
Maintainer
Fedora Jam

[bruce]

Thank you for getting back so quickly.

This is not class compliant it’s about 15-20 years old. But there is a
driver for linux, “line6usb driver version 0.9.1beta (revision 690)” and
when I type in lsmod, I see snd_usb_line6 listed.

Carla does look easier than jack, but initially, I’m just seeing the same
thing -system capture connected to pulse_in,  and pulse_out connected to
system playback. I’ll have to look for a carla tutorial, their
documentation is pretty slim ;)

bruce

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 7:02 AM Erich Eickmeyer 
wrote:
> Hi Bruce and Bruno,
> On 11/1/20 3:51 AM, Bruno Vernay wrote:
>
> Hi,
> First : this list is kind of dead, at least you won't have too many mail
> from it.
> Then about you interface, I guess it is the Line 6 GuitarPort.
> I could not find whether it is Class Compliant or not.  (Some interfaces
> require a driver and will only work on Windows/MAc)
>
> You could try to connect it to various USB ports on you PC and
> type "dmesg" in a console just after having plugged the USB, to see what
>
> is recognized.
> If the console is too alien for you.  Launch QJack (graphical
>
> application that should be already installed) ; Go to "Setup ..." and look
> at the "Interface" drop down list if you can see your interface.
>
> That would be a start.
>
> Note that until your interface is recognized the distributions or
> applications you are using won't make a difference.  Let's first solve that
>
> Regards
> Bruno
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:24 AM bruce  wrote:
> > Hi, I’ve just installed fedora jam on my spare laptop. I’ve been using
> > windows for all my music, and I want to see what linux has to offer. I
> > went with Jam because I wouldn’t know what software to install or how to
> > configure it, so this seems like the place to start.
> >
> > But I’m not getting anywhere using it, and the wiki doesn’t seem to have
> > much info.
> >
> > Here is my problem: when I plug in my audio interface (I’m using
> > GuitarPort) I get unprocessed raw sound from my guitar in my headphones
> > right away, before I even start anything. (Normally I don’t hear anything
> > until the signal is routed through the amplifier software, but I’ve never
> > used it in linux before, maybe that is expected?)
> >
> > I went into StudioControls -> Audio Setup -> Jack Master Setting, and I
> > see the following:
> >
> > Jack Master Device (no USB): lists my sound card and my guitar port.
> >
> > USB device that should be Master: No USB Master.
> >
> > The thing is, GuitarPort *is* a USB device. No matter what I do, all I
> > get is raw guitar output. I feel a bit like all I’m doing is closing my
> > eyes and poking at it with a stick. Are there some instructions on how to
> > set this up?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > bruce
>
> --
> Bruno VERNAY
>
> So, QJackCtl is overly-complicated, and unless you know what you're doing
> it should be avoided. This is why I started including Studio Controls with
> Jam. Studio Controls simplifies it.
>
> And, I'm sorry I'm just now answering this. My time is quite limited this
> weekend due to family events.
>
> What it looks like is that the device is being recognized, JACK is
> starting, but the device isn't being patched to the outputs. Open Carla,
> and click on the Patchbay tab. From there you can drag a wire from your
> input to whatever output (or plugin input) you'd like. Carla is a plugin
> host, so think of it as an effects rack or an equipment rack, and the
> patchbay as a patchbay, or the back of said rack.
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> --
> Erich Eickmeyer
> Maintainer
> Fedora Jam

[Brian Durant]

FYI the folks over at the Linux Musicians Facebook group are very helpful. Unfortunately, despite trying to promote Fedora Jam, I don’t think that there are very many members that have tried it, so Fedora specific info probably needs to be accessed somewhere else... Unfortunately, you have to be really lucky to get in contact with another Fedora Jam user through the general “ask Fedora” forum. That is why this list email list is important.

Brian
> On 1 Nov 2020, at 23.14, bruce  wrote:
>
> 
> Thank you for getting back so quickly.
>
> This is not class compliant it’s about 15-20 years old. But there is a driver for linux, “line6usb driver version 0.9.1beta (revision 690)” and when I type in lsmod, I see snd_usb_line6 listed.
>
> Carla does look easier than jack, but initially, I’m just seeing the same thing -system capture connected to pulse_in,  and pulse_out connected to system playback. I’ll have to look for a carla tutorial, their documentation is pretty slim ;)
>
> bruce
> > On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 7:02 AM Erich Eickmeyer  wrote:
> > Hi Bruce and Bruno,
> > > On 11/1/20 3:51 AM, Bruno Vernay wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > First : this list is kind of dead, at least you won't have too many mail from it.
> > > Then about you interface, I guess it is the Line 6 GuitarPort.
> > > I could not find whether it is Class Compliant or not.  (Some interfaces require a driver and will only work on Windows/MAc)
> > >
> > > You could try to connect it to various USB ports on you PC and
> > > type "dmesg" in a console just after having plugged the USB, to see what is recognized.
> > > If the console is too alien for you.  Launch QJack (graphical application that should be already installed) ; Go to "Setup ..." and look at the "Interface" drop down list if you can see your interface.
> > >
> > > That would be a start.
> > >
> > > Note that until your interface is recognized the distributions or applications you are using won't make a difference.  Let's first solve that
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Bruno
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:24 AM bruce  wrote:
> > > > Hi, I’ve just installed fedora jam on my spare laptop. I’ve been using windows for all my music, and I want to see what linux has to offer. I went with Jam because I wouldn’t know what software to install or how to configure it, so this seems like the place to start.
> > > >
> > > > But I’m not getting anywhere using it, and the wiki doesn’t seem to have much info. 
> > > > Here is my problem: when I plug in my audio interface (I’m using GuitarPort) I get unprocessed raw sound from my guitar in my headphones right away, before I even start anything. (Normally I don’t hear anything until the signal is routed through the amplifier software, but I’ve never used it in linux before, maybe that is expected?)
> > > >
> > > > I went into StudioControls -> Audio Setup -> Jack Master Setting, and I see the following: 
> > > > Jack Master Device (no USB): lists my sound card and my guitar port.  
> > > > USB device that should be Master: No USB Master.
> > > >
> > > > The thing is, GuitarPort *is* a USB device. No matter what I do, all I get is raw guitar output. I feel a bit like all I’m doing is closing my eyes and poking at it with a stick. Are there some instructions on how to set this up?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, 
> > > > bruce
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > Bruno VERNAY
> >
> > So, QJackCtl is overly-complicated, and unless you know what you're doing it should be avoided. This is why I started including Studio Controls with Jam. Studio Controls simplifies it.
> >
> > And, I'm sorry I'm just now answering this. My time is quite limited this weekend due to family events.
> >
> > What it looks like is that the device is being recognized, JACK is starting, but the device isn't being patched to the outputs. Open Carla, and click on the Patchbay tab. From there you can drag a wire from your input to whatever output (or plugin input) you'd like. Carla is a plugin host, so think of it as an effects rack or an equipment rack, and the patchbay as a patchbay, or the back of said rack.
> >
> > I hope that helps.
> >
> > --
> > Erich Eickmeyer
> > Maintainer
> > Fedora Jam
>
> --
>
> Bruce Davidson
>
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[bruce]

I haven’t actually found linuxmusicians.com very helpful. Thay have a lot
of unanswered questions, including mine 😊. I didn’t realize they had a
facebook page, but then I boycott facebook.

Before I tried fedora jam, I tried ubuntu studio, avlinux, and kxstudio. I
got nowhere with those, and couldn’t find any help – y'all are the first
live humans I’ve encountered on this quest.

From what I’ve been able to tell, the ‘make music on linux movement’
started shutering a couple years ago. Then I read in Phoronix that Fedora
Jam would either shuter or release a version 33. So I checked and you had a
33 download.

Fedora is really my last try at this before heading back to windows.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 1:06 AM Brian Durant 
wrote:
> FYI the folks over at the Linux Musicians Facebook group are very helpful.
> Unfortunately, despite trying to promote Fedora Jam, I don’t think that
> there are very many members that have tried it, so Fedora specific info
> probably needs to be accessed somewhere else... Unfortunately, you have to
> be really lucky to get in contact with another Fedora Jam user through the
> general “ask Fedora” forum. That is why this list email list is important.
>
> Brian
>
> On 1 Nov 2020, at 23.14, bruce  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thank you for getting back so quickly.
>
> This is not class compliant it’s about 15-20 years old. But there is a
> driver for linux, “line6usb driver version 0.9.1beta (revision 690)” and
> when I type in lsmod, I see snd_usb_line6 listed.
>
> Carla does look easier than jack, but initially, I’m just seeing the same
> thing -system capture connected to pulse_in,  and pulse_out connected to
> system playback. I’ll have to look for a carla tutorial, their
> documentation is pretty slim ;)
>
> bruce
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 7:02 AM Erich Eickmeyer <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
> > Hi Bruce and Bruno,
> > On 11/1/20 3:51 AM, Bruno Vernay wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > First : this list is kind of dead, at least you won't have too many mail
> > from it.
> > Then about you interface, I guess it is the Line 6 GuitarPort.
> > I could not find whether it is Class Compliant or not.  (Some interfaces
> > require a driver and will only work on Windows/MAc)
> >
> > You could try to connect it to various USB ports on you PC and
> > type "dmesg" in a console just after having plugged the USB, to see
> >
> > what is recognized.
> > If the console is too alien for you.  Launch QJack (graphical
> >
> > application that should be already installed) ; Go to "Setup ..." and look
> > at the "Interface" drop down list if you can see your interface.
> >
> > That would be a start.
> >
> > Note that until your interface is recognized the distributions or
> > applications you are using won't make a difference.  Let's first solve that
> >
> > Regards
> > Bruno
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:24 AM bruce 
> > wrote:
> > > Hi, I’ve just installed fedora jam on my spare laptop. I’ve been using
> > > windows for all my music, and I want to see what linux has to offer. I
> > > went with Jam because I wouldn’t know what software to install or how to
> > > configure it, so this seems like the place to start.
> > >
> > > But I’m not getting anywhere using it, and the wiki doesn’t seem to have
> > > much info.
> > >
> > > Here is my problem: when I plug in my audio interface (I’m using
> > > GuitarPort) I get unprocessed raw sound from my guitar in my headphones
> > > right away, before I even start anything. (Normally I don’t hear anything
> > > until the signal is routed through the amplifier software, but I’ve never
> > > used it in linux before, maybe that is expected?)
> > >
> > > I went into StudioControls -> Audio Setup -> Jack Master Setting, and I
> > > see the following:
> > >
> > > Jack Master Device (no USB): lists my sound card and my guitar port.
> > >
> > > USB device that should be Master: No USB Master.
> > >
> > > The thing is, GuitarPort *is* a USB device. No matter what I do, all I
> > > get is raw guitar output. I feel a bit like all I’m doing is closing my
> > > eyes and poking at it with a stick. Are there some instructions on how to
> > > set this up?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > bruce
> >
> > --
> > Bruno VERNAY
> >
> > So, QJackCtl is overly-complicated, and unless you know what you're doing
> > it should be avoided. This is why I started including Studio Controls with
> > Jam. Studio Controls simplifies it.
> >
> > And, I'm sorry I'm just now answering this. My time is quite limited this
> > weekend due to family events.
> >
> > What it looks like is that the device is being recognized, JACK is
> > starting, but the device isn't being patched to the outputs. Open Carla,
> > and click on the Patchbay tab. From there you can drag a wire from your
> > input to whatever output (or plugin input) you'd like. Carla is a plugin
> > host, so think of it as an effects rack or an equipment rack, and the
> > patchbay as a patchbay, or the back of said rack.
> >
> > I hope that helps.
> >
> > --
> > Erich Eickmeyer
> > Maintainer
> > Fedora Jam
>
> --
>
> Bruce Davidson
>
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[Erich Eickmeyer]

On 11/2/20 9:47 AM, bruce wrote:
> I haven’t actually found linuxmusicians.com 
> http://linuxmusicians.com very helpful. Thay have a lot of 
> unanswered questions, including mine 😊. I didn’t realize they had a 
> facebook page, but then I boycott facebook.
>
> Before I tried fedora jam, I tried ubuntu studio, avlinux, and 
> kxstudio. I got nowhere with those, and couldn’t find any help – y'all 
> are the first live humans I’ve encountered on this quest.
>
> From what I’ve been able to tell, the ‘make music on linux movement’ 
> started shutering a couple years ago. Then I read in Phoronix that 
> Fedora Jam would either shuter or release a version 33. So I checked 
> and you had a 33 download.
>
> Fedora is really my last try at this before heading back to windows.

How long ago did you try Ubuntu Studio? I also lead the Ubuntu Studio 
project, and don't remember you reaching out about an issue like this at 
all since I've been involved (past 2 1/2 years).

And, as you can see, Phoronix likes to spread FUD. There was a Fedora 
Jam 32 release as well as 33.

--
Erich Eickmeyer
Maintainer
Fedora Jam

[Steve Batte]

Hi Erich,

I know this chain is getting long, but I have a big decision to make and
need advice. In terms of best functionality, most users, best support,
would you recommend:

1. Ubuntu Studio 20.4 LTS
   2. Ubuntu Studio 20.10
   3. Fedora Jam (32 or 33)

I'm partial to Fedora, maybe because I've been using it with Stanford's
CCRMA repo for 20 years or so. But I get the impression everyone else is
settling on Ubuntu as the standard. I also prefer KDE and stability, so
last week I installed Kubuntu 20.4 and U-studio on one hard drive, and
Fedora 32 Jam on another. I didn't find much difference, so settled on
Fedora and spent a few days correcting Carla plug-in paths, compiling
WhySynth 2017 and OxeFMSynth etc. But it's not too late to change.

My day job is stressful but pays well. Music is keeping me sane. I would
love to contribute to one or both of these projects.

Thanks
Steve

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Erich Eickmeyer <
[e-mail]> wrote:
> On 11/2/20 9:47 AM, bruce wrote:
>
> I haven’t actually found linuxmusicians.com very helpful. Thay have a lot
> of unanswered questions, including mine 😊. I didn’t realize they had a
> facebook page, but then I boycott facebook.
>
> Before I tried fedora jam, I tried ubuntu studio, avlinux, and kxstudio.
> I got nowhere with those, and couldn’t find any help – y'all are the first
> live humans I’ve encountered on this quest.
>
> From what I’ve been able to tell, the ‘make music on linux movement’
> started shutering a couple years ago. Then I read in Phoronix that Fedora
> Jam would either shuter or release a version 33. So I checked and you had
> a 33 download.
>
> Fedora is really my last try at this before heading back to windows.
>
> How long ago did you try Ubuntu Studio? I also lead the Ubuntu Studio
> project, and don't remember you reaching out about an issue like this at
> all since I've been involved (past 2 1/2 years).
>
> And, as you can see, Phoronix likes to spread FUD. There was a Fedora Jam
> 32 release as well as 33.
>
> --
> Erich Eickmeyer
> Maintainer
> Fedora Jam
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Best Distro for Music (WAS: Help with StudioControls – Studio Set Up Utility)

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi Steve,

On 11/2/20 3:01 PM, Steve Batte wrote:
> Hi Erich,
>
> I know this chain is getting long, but I have a big decision to make 
> and need advice. In terms of best functionality, most users, best 
> support, would you recommend:
> Ubuntu Studio 20.4 LTS
> Ubuntu Studio 20.10
> Fedora Jam (32 or 33)
>
> I'm partial to Fedora, maybe because I've been using it with 
> Stanford's CCRMA repo for 20 years or so. But I get the impression 
> everyone else is settling on Ubuntu as the standard. I also prefer KDE 
> and stability, so last week I installed Kubuntu 20.4 and U-studio on 
> one hard drive, and Fedora 32 Jam on another. I didn't find much 
> difference, so settled on Fedora and spent a few days correcting Carla 
> plug-in paths, compiling WhySynth 2017 and OxeFMSynth etc. But it's 
> not too late to change.
>
> My day job is stressful but pays well. Music is keeping me sane. I 
> would love to contribute to one or both of these projects.
>
> Thanks
> Steve

When it comes to changing the subject, you really need to start a new 
thread. So, I hate to say it, but this is a little off-topic.

That said, this is one of the oldest questions ("Which is best?") as 
it's very subjective. As for me, I dual-boot both, but that's mostly 
because I'm in charge of both projects (Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam). 
However, if you had to choose just one, I can't answer that question. 
What works best for one person won't necessarily work best for everyone. 
But, I do have a few things for you to consider.

Planet CCRMA At Home was discontinued after Fedora 30, which is EOL. One 
thing I've been considering doing was emailing the person in charge of 
that to see if he wanted to get it going again. That said, many of the 
tools that were in Planet CCRMA At Home are now in Fedora (except the RT 
kernel, more on that later).

My visions for Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam are quite different, yet 
intertwined.

Ubuntu Studio is an all-in-one content creation studio. It targets 
streamers, musicians, audio engineers (like myself), video producers 
(like myself), graphic designers, photographers (like myself), and 
publishers.

Fedora Jam targets musicians and audio engineers who are okay with 
experimenting with the latest audio technologies in Linux, such as 
pipewire. With Fedora 34, we're hoping to get Pipewire mainstream, and 
I'm one of the people doing the testing and, quite possible, will be 
authoring a system-wide change proposal for all of Fedora to switch to 
Pipewire as the default audio server, if I can get a few ducks in a row 
in those regards. My rationale is that Pipewire will be a drop-in 
replacement for both PulseAudio and JACK and will make applications that 
target both completely interoperable without bridges. This, quite 
literally, is the dream for audio on Linux that we've been waiting for 
since ALSA.

Another thing to consider: Ubuntu Studio was neglected for 2 years 
(2016-2018) before I came along. Fedora Jam was neglected for much 
longer: 7 years (2013-2020). The longer a distro, or in these cases 
spins, is neglected, the harder it is to pick-up the pieces and get it 
moving again. Ubuntu Studio is *finally* where it needs to be, but Jam, 
partially because the KDE spin went a couple years with a lack of 
leadership, and partially because Jam itself went 7 years until this 
past January, is still suffering. I've slowly been introducing new 
packages with plugins and other software to Fedora. For instance, JACK 
Mixer had been a thing in Ubuntu (and Debian) for a very long time, but 
was never a part of Fedora until just recently.

While I have been introducing items formerly in Planet CCRMA and 
rolling-in other items, we cannot bring-in an RT kernel, nor would I 
want to. I made a huge write-up on the Ubuntu wiki 
(https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel) as to 
why RT kernels this day and age are a BAD idea. TL;DR: They're full of 
security holes, and most modern hardware, with a current Linux kernel, 
doesn't need them anyhow. The Ubuntu Lowlatency Kernel and the Fedora 
kernel are already lowlatency-enabled. In Jam and Ubuntu Studio, we add 
an additional kernel boot parameter, "threadirqs", which activates the 
already-configured "CONFIG_IRQ_FORCED_THREADING=y" kernel flag (the code 
for that flag doesn't work without the "threadirqs" boot parameter). 
This allows for more IRQ threading and lower latency, albiet at the 
expense of power usage, all while keeping your system secure.

So, I hope that helps you in your decision. Either way, I'd welcome 
contributions to either or both of these projects. :)

--
Erich Eickmeyer
Maintainer         Fedora Jam
Project Leader     Ubuntu Studio
Council Member     Ubuntu Community Council

Best Distro for Music (WAS: Help with StudioControls – Studio Set Up Utility)

[Brian Durant]

While we have you on this thread Erich...
Firstly, I would like to say thank you for being so incredibly active on both the Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam projects. Secondly, your vision for Pipeline integration sounds awesome. Lastly, I consider myself a fairly average Linux user, and one of the disadvantages that I see at this point is that a lot of commercial programs that are developed for Linux are only packaged as .deb files (Bitwig Studio, Waveform, etc.). It would be useful with some tools to install such programs on Fedora. There are a couple of scrIpts on GitHub for Bitwig and the Waveform team provides instructions for an install on an .rpm based system (that don’t always work)... Perhaps an alternative would be to do as the Solus project, that provides a separate server with useful third party programs... That way, a functioning install would be guaranteed.

My 2¢.

Brian
> On 3 Nov 2020, at 02.01, Erich Eickmeyer  wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Steve,
> > On 11/2/20 3:01 PM, Steve Batte wrote:
> > Hi Erich,
> >
> > I know this chain is getting long, but I have a big decision to make and need advice. In terms of best functionality, most users, best support, would you recommend:
> > Ubuntu Studio 20.4 LTS 
> > Ubuntu Studio 20.10
> > Fedora Jam (32 or 33)
> >
> > I'm partial to Fedora, maybe because I've been using it with Stanford's CCRMA repo for 20 years or so. But I get the impression everyone else is settling on Ubuntu as the standard. I also prefer KDE and stability, so last week I installed Kubuntu 20.4 and U-studio on one hard drive, and Fedora 32 Jam on another. I didn't find much difference, so settled on Fedora and spent a few days correcting Carla plug-in paths, compiling WhySynth 2017 and OxeFMSynth etc. But it's not too late to change.
> >
> > My day job is stressful but pays well. Music is keeping me sane. I would love to contribute to one or both of these projects.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Steve
>
> When it comes to changing the subject, you really need to start a new thread. So, I hate to say it, but this is a little off-topic.
>
> That said, this is one of the oldest questions ("Which is best?") as it's very subjective. As for me, I dual-boot both, but that's mostly because I'm in charge of both projects (Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam). However, if you had to choose just one, I can't answer that question. What works best for one person won't necessarily work best for everyone. But, I do have a few things for you to consider.
>
> Planet CCRMA At Home was discontinued after Fedora 30, which is EOL. One thing I've been considering doing was emailing the person in charge of that to see if he wanted to get it going again. That said, many of the tools that were in Planet CCRMA At Home are now in Fedora (except the RT kernel, more on that later).
>
> My visions for Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam are quite different, yet intertwined.
>
> Ubuntu Studio is an all-in-one content creation studio. It targets streamers, musicians, audio engineers (like myself), video producers (like myself), graphic designers, photographers (like myself), and publishers.
>
> Fedora Jam targets musicians and audio engineers who are okay with experimenting with the latest audio technologies in Linux, such as pipewire. With Fedora 34, we're hoping to get Pipewire mainstream, and I'm one of the people doing the testing and, quite possible, will be authoring a system-wide change proposal for all of Fedora to switch to Pipewire as the default audio server, if I can get a few ducks in a row in those regards. My rationale is that Pipewire will be a drop-in replacement for both PulseAudio and JACK and will make applications that target both completely interoperable without bridges. This, quite literally, is the dream for audio on Linux that we've been waiting for since ALSA.
>
> Another thing to consider: Ubuntu Studio was neglected for 2 years (2016-2018) before I came along. Fedora Jam was neglected for much longer: 7 years (2013-2020). The longer a distro, or in these cases spins, is neglected, the harder it is to pick-up the pieces and get it moving again. Ubuntu Studio is *finally* where it needs to be, but Jam, partially because the KDE spin went a couple years with a lack of leadership, and partially because Jam itself went 7 years until this past January, is still suffering. I've slowly been introducing new packages with plugins and other software to Fedora. For instance, JACK Mixer had been a thing in Ubuntu (and Debian) for a very long time, but was never a part of Fedora until just recently.
>
> While I have been introducing items formerly in Planet CCRMA and rolling-in other items, we cannot bring-in an RT kernel, nor would I want to. I made a huge write-up on the Ubuntu wiki (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel) as to why RT kernels this day and age are a BAD idea. TL;DR: They're full of security holes, and most modern hardware, with a current Linux kernel, doesn't need them anyhow. The Ubuntu Lowlatency Kernel and the Fedora kernel are already lowlatency-enabled. In Jam and Ubuntu Studio, we add an additional kernel boot parameter, "threadirqs", which activates the already-configured "CONFIG_IRQ_FORCED_THREADING=y" kernel flag (the code for that flag doesn't work without the "threadirqs" boot parameter). This allows for more IRQ threading and lower latency, albiet at the expense of power usage, all while keeping your system secure.
>
> So, I hope that helps you in your decision. Either way, I'd welcome contributions to either or both of these projects. :)
>
> --
> Erich Eickmeyer
> Maintainer         Fedora Jam
> Project Leader     Ubuntu Studio
> Council Member     Ubuntu Community Council
>
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[Bruno Vernay]

About packaging, I still have hope that Flatpak is successful. With
PipeWire, it would be a good combo.
From a vendor perspective, it must be a nightmare to package for Linux :-)

Bruno

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 11:28 AM Brian Durant 
wrote:
> While we have you on this thread Erich...
> Firstly, I would like to say thank you for being so incredibly active on
> both the Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam projects. Secondly, your vision for
> Pipeline integration sounds awesome. Lastly, I consider myself a fairly
> average Linux user, and one of the disadvantages that I see at this point
> is that a lot of commercial programs that are developed for Linux are only
> packaged as .deb files (Bitwig Studio, Waveform, etc.). It would be useful
> with some tools to install such programs on Fedora. There are a couple of
> scrIpts on GitHub for Bitwig and the Waveform team provides instructions
> for an install on an .rpm based system (that don’t always work)... Perhaps
> an alternative would be to do as the Solus project, that provides a
> separate server with useful third party programs... That way, a functioning
> install would be guaranteed.
>
> My 2¢.
>
> Brian
>
> On 3 Nov 2020, at 02.01, Erich Eickmeyer 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Steve,
> On 11/2/20 3:01 PM, Steve Batte wrote:
>
> Hi Erich,
>
> I know this chain is getting long, but I have a big decision to make and
> need advice. In terms of best functionality, most users, best support,
> would you recommend:
> Ubuntu Studio 20.4 LTS
> Ubuntu Studio 20.10
> Fedora Jam (32 or 33)
>
> I'm partial to Fedora, maybe because I've been using it with Stanford's
> CCRMA repo for 20 years or so. But I get the impression everyone else is
> settling on Ubuntu as the standard. I also prefer KDE and stability, so
> last week I installed Kubuntu 20.4 and U-studio on one hard drive, and
> Fedora 32 Jam on another. I didn't find much difference, so settled on
> Fedora and spent a few days correcting Carla plug-in paths, compiling
> WhySynth 2017 and OxeFMSynth etc. But it's not too late to change.
>
> My day job is stressful but pays well. Music is keeping me sane. I would
> love to contribute to one or both of these projects.
>
> Thanks
> Steve
>
> When it comes to changing the subject, you really need to start a new
> thread. So, I hate to say it, but this is a little off-topic.
>
> That said, this is one of the oldest questions ("Which is best?") as it's
> very subjective. As for me, I dual-boot both, but that's mostly because I'm
> in charge of both projects (Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam). However, if you
> had to choose just one, I can't answer that question. What works best for
> one person won't necessarily work best for everyone. But, I do have a few
> things for you to consider.
>
> Planet CCRMA At Home was discontinued after Fedora 30, which is EOL. One
> thing I've been considering doing was emailing the person in charge of that
> to see if he wanted to get it going again. That said, many of the tools
> that were in Planet CCRMA At Home are now in Fedora (except the RT kernel,
> more on that later).
>
> My visions for Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam are quite different, yet
> intertwined.
>
> Ubuntu Studio is an all-in-one content creation studio. It targets
> streamers, musicians, audio engineers (like myself), video producers (like
> myself), graphic designers, photographers (like myself), and publishers.
>
> Fedora Jam targets musicians and audio engineers who are okay with
> experimenting with the latest audio technologies in Linux, such as
> pipewire. With Fedora 34, we're hoping to get Pipewire mainstream, and I'm
> one of the people doing the testing and, quite possible, will be authoring
> a system-wide change proposal for all of Fedora to switch to Pipewire as
> the default audio server, if I can get a few ducks in a row in those
> regards. My rationale is that Pipewire will be a drop-in replacement for
> both PulseAudio and JACK and will make applications that target both
> completely interoperable without bridges. This, quite literally, is the
> dream for audio on Linux that we've been waiting for since ALSA.
>
> Another thing to consider: Ubuntu Studio was neglected for 2 years
> (2016-2018) before I came along. Fedora Jam was neglected for much longer:
> 7 years (2013-2020). The longer a distro, or in these cases spins, is
> neglected, the harder it is to pick-up the pieces and get it moving again.
> Ubuntu Studio is *finally* where it needs to be, but Jam, partially because
> the KDE spin went a couple years with a lack of leadership, and partially
> because Jam itself went 7 years until this past January, is still
> suffering. I've slowly been introducing new packages with plugins and other
> software to Fedora. For instance, JACK Mixer had been a thing in Ubuntu
> (and Debian) for a very long time, but was never a part of Fedora until
> just recently.
>
> While I have been introducing items formerly in Planet CCRMA and
> rolling-in other items, we cannot bring-in an RT kernel, nor would I want
> to. I made a huge write-up on the Ubuntu wiki (
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel) as to why
> RT kernels this day and age are a BAD idea. TL;DR: They're full of security
> holes, and most modern hardware, with a current Linux kernel, doesn't need
> them anyhow. The Ubuntu Lowlatency Kernel and the Fedora kernel are already
> lowlatency-enabled. In Jam and Ubuntu Studio, we add an additional kernel
> boot parameter, "threadirqs", which activates the already-configured
> "CONFIG_IRQ_FORCED_THREADING=y" kernel flag (the code for that flag doesn't
> work without the "threadirqs" boot parameter). This allows for more IRQ
> threading and lower latency, albiet at the expense of power usage, all
> while keeping your system secure.
>
> So, I hope that helps you in your decision. Either way, I'd welcome
> contributions to either or both of these projects. :)
>
> --
> Erich Eickmeyer
> Maintainer         Fedora Jam
> Project Leader     Ubuntu Studio
> Council Member     Ubuntu Community Council
> _______________________________________________
> music mailing list -- [e-mail]
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Best Distro for Music (WAS: Help with StudioControls – Studio Set Up Utility)

[Steve Batte]

Just to wrap this up. I'm going back to Ubuntustudio -- I've already
installed 20.10 and started on a new song. I hope to also do a dual-boot
with Fedora Jam before long because the changes you're suggesting sound
really interesting.

Your comments about the different visions for Fedora Jam and UbuntuStudio
definitely influenced my decision. Can I share a short excerpt with the
Facebook LinuxMusicians? Something like this:

"Planet CCRMA At Home was discontinued after Fedora 30, which is EOL. That
said, many of the tools that were in Planet CCRMA At Home are now in Fedora
(except the RT kernel, more on that later).

My visions for Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam are quite different, yet
intertwined.

Ubuntu Studio is an all-in-one content creation studio. It targets
streamers, musicians, audio engineers (like myself), video producers (like
myself), graphic designers, photographers (like myself), and publishers.

Fedora Jam targets musicians and audio engineers who are okay with
experimenting with the latest audio technologies in Linux."

And thanks for all your hard work on both of these projects. I'll be
contacting you via Ubuntu channels about helping soon.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 4:01 PM Erich Eickmeyer 
wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> On 11/2/20 3:01 PM, Steve Batte wrote:
>
> Hi Erich,
>
> I know this chain is getting long, but I have a big decision to make and
> need advice. In terms of best functionality, most users, best support,
> would you recommend:
> Ubuntu Studio 20.4 LTS
> Ubuntu Studio 20.10
> Fedora Jam (32 or 33)
>
> I'm partial to Fedora, maybe because I've been using it with Stanford's
> CCRMA repo for 20 years or so. But I get the impression everyone else is
> settling on Ubuntu as the standard. I also prefer KDE and stability, so
> last week I installed Kubuntu 20.4 and U-studio on one hard drive, and
> Fedora 32 Jam on another. I didn't find much difference, so settled on
> Fedora and spent a few days correcting Carla plug-in paths, compiling
> WhySynth 2017 and OxeFMSynth etc. But it's not too late to change.
>
> My day job is stressful but pays well. Music is keeping me sane. I would
> love to contribute to one or both of these projects.
>
> Thanks
> Steve
>
> When it comes to changing the subject, you really need to start a new
> thread. So, I hate to say it, but this is a little off-topic.
>
> That said, this is one of the oldest questions ("Which is best?") as it's
> very subjective. As for me, I dual-boot both, but that's mostly because I'm
> in charge of both projects (Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam). However, if you
> had to choose just one, I can't answer that question. What works best for
> one person won't necessarily work best for everyone. But, I do have a few
> things for you to consider.
>
> Planet CCRMA At Home was discontinued after Fedora 30, which is EOL. One
> thing I've been considering doing was emailing the person in charge of that
> to see if he wanted to get it going again. That said, many of the tools
> that were in Planet CCRMA At Home are now in Fedora (except the RT kernel,
> more on that later).
>
> My visions for Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam are quite different, yet
> intertwined.
>
> Ubuntu Studio is an all-in-one content creation studio. It targets
> streamers, musicians, audio engineers (like myself), video producers (like
> myself), graphic designers, photographers (like myself), and publishers.
>
> Fedora Jam targets musicians and audio engineers who are okay with
> experimenting with the latest audio technologies in Linux, such as
> pipewire. With Fedora 34, we're hoping to get Pipewire mainstream, and I'm
> one of the people doing the testing and, quite possible, will be authoring
> a system-wide change proposal for all of Fedora to switch to Pipewire as
> the default audio server, if I can get a few ducks in a row in those
> regards. My rationale is that Pipewire will be a drop-in replacement for
> both PulseAudio and JACK and will make applications that target both
> completely interoperable without bridges. This, quite literally, is the
> dream for audio on Linux that we've been waiting for since ALSA.
>
> Another thing to consider: Ubuntu Studio was neglected for 2 years
> (2016-2018) before I came along. Fedora Jam was neglected for much longer:
> 7 years (2013-2020). The longer a distro, or in these cases spins, is
> neglected, the harder it is to pick-up the pieces and get it moving again.
> Ubuntu Studio is *finally* where it needs to be, but Jam, partially because
> the KDE spin went a couple years with a lack of leadership, and partially
> because Jam itself went 7 years until this past January, is still
> suffering. I've slowly been introducing new packages with plugins and other
> software to Fedora. For instance, JACK Mixer had been a thing in Ubuntu
> (and Debian) for a very long time, but was never a part of Fedora until
> just recently.
>
> While I have been introducing items formerly in Planet CCRMA and
> rolling-in other items, we cannot bring-in an RT kernel, nor would I want
> to. I made a huge write-up on the Ubuntu wiki (
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel) as to why
> RT kernels this day and age are a BAD idea. TL;DR: They're full of security
> holes, and most modern hardware, with a current Linux kernel, doesn't need
> them anyhow. The Ubuntu Lowlatency Kernel and the Fedora kernel are already
> lowlatency-enabled. In Jam and Ubuntu Studio, we add an additional kernel
> boot parameter, "threadirqs", which activates the already-configured
> "CONFIG_IRQ_FORCED_THREADING=y" kernel flag (the code for that flag doesn't
> work without the "threadirqs" boot parameter). This allows for more IRQ
> threading and lower latency, albiet at the expense of power usage, all
> while keeping your system secure.
>
> So, I hope that helps you in your decision. Either way, I'd welcome
> contributions to either or both of these projects. :)
>
> --
> Erich Eickmeyer
> Maintainer         Fedora Jam
> Project Leader     Ubuntu Studio
> Council Member     Ubuntu Community Council
> _______________________________________________
> music mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> Fedora Code of Conduct:
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/
> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
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[Fernando Lopez-Lezcano]

On 11/12/20 8:43 PM, Steve Batte wrote:
> Just to wrap this up. I'm going back to Ubuntustudio -- I've already 
> installed 20.10 and started on a new song. I hope to also do a dual-boot 
> with Fedora Jam before long because the changes you're suggesting sound 
> really interesting.
>
> Your comments about the different visions for Fedora Jam and 
> UbuntuStudio definitely influenced my decision. Can I share a short 
> excerpt with the Facebook LinuxMusicians? Something like this:
>
> "Planet CCRMA At Home was discontinued after Fedora 30, which is EOL. 
> That said, many of the tools that were in Planet CCRMA At Home are now 
> in Fedora (except the RT kernel, more on that later).

Hi, don't know why on earth I saw this before. Oh well. Super busy... 
Better late than never?

Planet CCRMA is not really "discontinued" but it always lagging the 
release. It is very true that most software you might need is already in 
Fedora proper (yay!)... Some of Fons' software is still not in Fedora, 
as well as Pure Data, SuperCollider (it looks like it is in fc33!), and 
others.

The main documentation page is obsolete (sorry), but the repositories 
are there (up to Fedora 32). I am still trying to catch up to Fedora 33 
- just yesterday I released an RT patched kernel for fc33 on x86_64 only.

For example, for Fedora 32:

http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/32/SRP...

http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetcore/32/SRPM...

Substitute other versions to see what is there...
Best regards,
-- Fernando

( I'm really behind this time as I run into problems with my koji build 
infrastructure - looks like to build Fedora 33 I need fc33 builders, 
argh, I'm almost done but an upgrade of my 32 bit arm builder did not 
return from a reboot and it is at Stanford )
> My visions for Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam are quite different, yet 
> intertwined.
>
> Ubuntu Studio is an all-in-one content creation studio. It targets 
> streamers, musicians, audio engineers (like myself), video producers 
> (like myself), graphic designers, photographers (like myself), and 
> publishers.
>
> Fedora Jam targets musicians and audio engineers who are okay with 
> experimenting with the latest audio technologies in Linux."
>
> And thanks for all your hard work on both of these projects. I'll be 
> contacting you via Ubuntu channels about helping soon.
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 4:01 PM Erich Eickmeyer 
> <[e-mail] > wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> On 11/2/20 3:01 PM, Steve Batte wrote:
> > Hi Erich,
> >
> > I know this chain is getting long, but I have a big decision to
> > make and need advice. In terms of best functionality, most users,
> > best support, would you recommend:
> >
> >  1. Ubuntu Studio 20.4 LTS
> >  2. Ubuntu Studio 20.10
> >  3. Fedora Jam (32 or 33)
> >
> >
> > I'm partial to Fedora, maybe because I've been using it with
> > Stanford's CCRMA repo for 20 years or so. But I get the impression
> > everyone else is settling on Ubuntu as the standard. I also prefer
> > KDE and stability, so last week I installed Kubuntu 20.4 and
> > U-studio on one hard drive, and Fedora 32 Jam on another. I didn't
> > find much difference, so settled on Fedora and spent a few days
> > correcting Carla plug-in paths, compiling WhySynth 2017 and
> > OxeFMSynth etc. But it's not too late to change.
> >
> > My day job is stressful but pays well. Music is keeping me sane. I
> > would love to contribute to one or both of these projects.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Steve
> When it comes to changing the subject, you really need to start a
> new thread. So, I hate to say it, but this is a little off-topic.
>
> That said, this is one of the oldest questions ("Which is best?") as
> it's very subjective. As for me, I dual-boot both, but that's mostly
> because I'm in charge of both projects (Ubuntu Studio and Fedora
> Jam). However, if you had to choose just one, I can't answer that
> question. What works best for one person won't necessarily work best
> for everyone. But, I do have a few things for you to consider.
>
> Planet CCRMA At Home was discontinued after Fedora 30, which is EOL.
> One thing I've been considering doing was emailing the person in
> charge of that to see if he wanted to get it going again. That said,
> many of the tools that were in Planet CCRMA At Home are now in
> Fedora (except the RT kernel, more on that later).
>
> My visions for Ubuntu Studio and Fedora Jam are quite different, yet
> intertwined.
>
> Ubuntu Studio is an all-in-one content creation studio. It targets
> streamers, musicians, audio engineers (like myself), video producers
> (like myself), graphic designers, photographers (like myself), and
> publishers.
>
> Fedora Jam targets musicians and audio engineers who are okay with
> experimenting with the latest audio technologies in Linux, such as
> pipewire. With Fedora 34, we're hoping to get Pipewire mainstream,
> and I'm one of the people doing the testing and, quite possible,
> will be authoring a system-wide change proposal for all of Fedora to
> switch to Pipewire as the default audio server, if I can get a few
> ducks in a row in those regards. My rationale is that Pipewire will
> be a drop-in replacement for both PulseAudio and JACK and will make
> applications that target both completely interoperable without
> bridges. This, quite literally, is the dream for audio on Linux that
> we've been waiting for since ALSA.
>
> Another thing to consider: Ubuntu Studio was neglected for 2 years
> (2016-2018) before I came along. Fedora Jam was neglected for much
> longer: 7 years (2013-2020). The longer a distro, or in these cases
> spins, is neglected, the harder it is to pick-up the pieces and get
> it moving again. Ubuntu Studio is *finally* where it needs to be,
> but Jam, partially because the KDE spin went a couple years with a
> lack of leadership, and partially because Jam itself went 7 years
> until this past January, is still suffering. I've slowly been
> introducing new packages with plugins and other software to Fedora.
> For instance, JACK Mixer had been a thing in Ubuntu (and Debian) for
> a very long time, but was never a part of Fedora until just recently.
>
> While I have been introducing items formerly in Planet CCRMA and
> rolling-in other items, we cannot bring-in an RT kernel, nor would I
> want to. I made a huge write-up on the Ubuntu wiki
> (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
> <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel>) as
> to why RT kernels this day and age are a BAD idea. TL;DR: They're
> full of security holes, and most modern hardware, with a current
> Linux kernel, doesn't need them anyhow. The Ubuntu Lowlatency Kernel
> and the Fedora kernel are already lowlatency-enabled. In Jam and
> Ubuntu Studio, we add an additional kernel boot parameter,
> "threadirqs", which activates the already-configured
> "CONFIG_IRQ_FORCED_THREADING=y" kernel flag (the code for that flag
> doesn't work without the "threadirqs" boot parameter). This allows
> for more IRQ threading and lower latency, albiet at the expense of
> power usage, all while keeping your system secure.
>
> So, I hope that helps you in your decision. Either way, I'd welcome
> contributions to either or both of these projects. :)
>
> --
> Erich Eickmeyer
> Maintainer         Fedora Jam
> Project Leader     Ubuntu Studio
> Council Member     Ubuntu Community Council
>
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[bruce]

I didn’t reach out for help with UbuntuStudio – I was also having problems
with the kubuntu desktop. I knew I preferred debian kde, so I moved on to
KXStudio. I contacted linuxmusicians for help with that, about a week ago,
but no response yet.

Then I read about fedorajam, so I decided to try that. I’m quite impressed
with the fedora kde. I'm picky about desktops, most are pretty quirky. I
usually use chromeos, but I may just stick with fedora even if I can’t get
the jam studio working.

Today I was able to decrease the volume. I couldn’t get that to work on
either KXStudio or the AVLinux live-usb.

That said, I do need to focus on playing my guitar, linux is turning into a
rabbit hole.

bruce

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 3:01 PM Steve Batte  wrote:
> Hi Erich,
>
> I know this chain is getting long, but I have a big decision to make and
> need advice. In terms of best functionality, most users, best support,
> would you recommend:
> Ubuntu Studio 20.4 LTS
> Ubuntu Studio 20.10
> Fedora Jam (32 or 33)
>
> I'm partial to Fedora, maybe because I've been using it with Stanford's
> CCRMA repo for 20 years or so. But I get the impression everyone else is
> settling on Ubuntu as the standard. I also prefer KDE and stability, so
> last week I installed Kubuntu 20.4 and U-studio on one hard drive, and
> Fedora 32 Jam on another. I didn't find much difference, so settled on
> Fedora and spent a few days correcting Carla plug-in paths, compiling
> WhySynth 2017 and OxeFMSynth etc. But it's not too late to change.
>
> My day job is stressful but pays well. Music is keeping me sane. I would
> love to contribute to one or both of these projects.
>
> Thanks
> Steve
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Erich Eickmeyer <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
> > On 11/2/20 9:47 AM, bruce wrote:
> >
> > I haven’t actually found linuxmusicians.com very helpful. Thay have a
> > lot of unanswered questions, including mine 😊. I didn’t realize they had a
> > facebook page, but then I boycott facebook.
> >
> > Before I tried fedora jam, I tried ubuntu studio, avlinux, and kxstudio.
> > I got nowhere with those, and couldn’t find any help – y'all are the first
> > live humans I’ve encountered on this quest.
> >
> > From what I’ve been able to tell, the ‘make music on linux movement’
> > started shutering a couple years ago. Then I read in Phoronix that
> > Fedora Jam would either shuter or release a version 33. So I checked and
> > you had a 33 download.
> >
> > Fedora is really my last try at this before heading back to windows.
> >
> > How long ago did you try Ubuntu Studio? I also lead the Ubuntu Studio
> > project, and don't remember you reaching out about an issue like this at
> > all since I've been involved (past 2 1/2 years).
> >
> > And, as you can see, Phoronix likes to spread FUD. There was a Fedora Jam
> > 32 release as well as 33.
> >
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[Brian Durant]

I never tried the website, but the Facebook group is useful. Totally understand your feelings about Facebook.

Good luck.
Brian
> On 2 Nov 2020, at 19.47, bruce  wrote:
>
> 
> I haven’t actually found linuxmusicians.com very helpful. Thay have a lot of unanswered questions, including mine 😊. I didn’t realize they had a facebook page, but then I boycott facebook.
>
> Before I tried fedora jam, I tried ubuntu studio, avlinux, and kxstudio. I got nowhere with those, and couldn’t find any help – y'all are the first live humans I’ve encountered on this quest.
>
> From what I’ve been able to tell, the ‘make music on linux movement’ started shutering a couple years ago. Then I read in Phoronix that Fedora Jam would either shuter or release a version 33. So I checked and you had a 33 download.  
> Fedora is really my last try at this before heading back to windows.
> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 1:06 AM Brian Durant  wrote:
> > FYI the folks over at the Linux Musicians Facebook group are very helpful. Unfortunately, despite trying to promote Fedora Jam, I don’t think that there are very many members that have tried it, so Fedora specific info probably needs to be accessed somewhere else... Unfortunately, you have to be really lucky to get in contact with another Fedora Jam user through the general “ask Fedora” forum. That is why this list email list is important.
> >
> > Brian
> > > > On 1 Nov 2020, at 23.14, bruce  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Thank you for getting back so quickly.
> > >
> > > This is not class compliant it’s about 15-20 years old. But there is a driver for linux, “line6usb driver version 0.9.1beta (revision 690)” and when I type in lsmod, I see snd_usb_line6 listed.
> > >
> > > Carla does look easier than jack, but initially, I’m just seeing the same thing -system capture connected to pulse_in,  and pulse_out connected to system playback. I’ll have to look for a carla tutorial, their documentation is pretty slim ;)
> > >
> > > bruce
> > > > On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 7:02 AM Erich Eickmeyer  wrote:
> > > > Hi Bruce and Bruno,
> > > > > On 11/1/20 3:51 AM, Bruno Vernay wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > First : this list is kind of dead, at least you won't have too many mail from it.
> > > > > Then about you interface, I guess it is the Line 6 GuitarPort.
> > > > > I could not find whether it is Class Compliant or not.  (Some interfaces require a driver and will only work on Windows/MAc)
> > > > >
> > > > > You could try to connect it to various USB ports on you PC and
> > > > > type "dmesg" in a console just after having plugged the USB, to see what is recognized.
> > > > > If the console is too alien for you.  Launch QJack (graphical application that should be already installed) ; Go to "Setup ..." and look at the "Interface" drop down list if you can see your interface.
> > > > >
> > > > > That would be a start.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that until your interface is recognized the distributions or applications you are using won't make a difference.  Let's first solve that
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Bruno
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:24 AM bruce  wrote:
> > > > > > Hi, I’ve just installed fedora jam on my spare laptop. I’ve been using windows for all my music, and I want to see what linux has to offer. I went with Jam because I wouldn’t know what software to install or how to configure it, so this seems like the place to start.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But I’m not getting anywhere using it, and the wiki doesn’t seem to have much info. 
> > > > > > Here is my problem: when I plug in my audio interface (I’m using GuitarPort) I get unprocessed raw sound from my guitar in my headphones right away, before I even start anything. (Normally I don’t hear anything until the signal is routed through the amplifier software, but I’ve never used it in linux before, maybe that is expected?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I went into StudioControls -> Audio Setup -> Jack Master Setting, and I see the following: 
> > > > > > Jack Master Device (no USB): lists my sound card and my guitar port.  
> > > > > > USB device that should be Master: No USB Master.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The thing is, GuitarPort *is* a USB device. No matter what I do, all I get is raw guitar output. I feel a bit like all I’m doing is closing my eyes and poking at it with a stick. Are there some instructions on how to set this up?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks, 
> > > > > > bruce
> > > > >
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > Bruno VERNAY
> > > >
> > > > So, QJackCtl is overly-complicated, and unless you know what you're doing it should be avoided. This is why I started including Studio Controls with Jam. Studio Controls simplifies it.
> > > >
> > > > And, I'm sorry I'm just now answering this. My time is quite limited this weekend due to family events.
> > > >
> > > > What it looks like is that the device is being recognized, JACK is starting, but the device isn't being patched to the outputs. Open Carla, and click on the Patchbay tab. From there you can drag a wire from your input to whatever output (or plugin input) you'd like. Carla is a plugin host, so think of it as an effects rack or an equipment rack, and the patchbay as a patchbay, or the back of said rack.
> > > >
> > > > I hope that helps.
> > > >
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