TheOther wrote:
David, or Fernando, or ANYBODY else out there, do you have any idea why this isn't working for me? Something smells funny about Pulseaudio, but I don't know enough about it to be able to say why.
Hello William,
You can check the PlanetCCRMA archives to see my thoughts and experiences with PulseAudio.
If you have Fedora 10 installed, remove PulseAudio.
If you are using Fedora 7, 8, or 9, then upgrade to Fedora 10 so you can remove PulseAudio.
Good Luck, Stephen.
Sounds good to me, I don't even know what PulseAudio does other than it kept Rhythmbox from working when I first installed Fedora 10 on a computer. But what dependencies will I be breaking? Last time that I did that, I also found like a dozen or so other applications that depended on PulseAudio that my RPM database apparently didn't know about.
I'll give it a shot!
Thanks, William
On 15/05/09 05:05, William M. Quarles wrote:
TheOther wrote:
David, or Fernando, or ANYBODY else out there, do you have any idea why this isn't working for me? Something smells funny about Pulseaudio, but I don't know enough about it to be able to say why.
Hi William, I've been across the other side of the country this past week; it seems you have been persevering, good to see.
You can check the PlanetCCRMA archives to see my thoughts and experiences with PulseAudio.
Without me actually reviewing the planet archives, this might be summarized as: People interested in real-time, production quality audio recording, manipulation and playback are probably better to use the jack-audio-connection-kit toolkit based apps, and real-time patched kernel from planet ccrma. Pulseaudio has other goals in mind, which in some way conflict with the purist way.
Sounds good to me, I don't even know what PulseAudio does other than it kept Rhythmbox from working when I first installed Fedora 10 on a computer. But what dependencies will I be breaking?
If you decide to go down the remove pulseaudio route, use yum to erase the bits you are thinking of doing. Then if something unexpected occurs, you can read the /var/log/yum*.log to remind you of the packages that you removed. At least doing that should lead you to determine whether pulseaudio is adding to your troubles. Without PA, all apps need to be pointed at alsa (I think).
If you want to see what is going on at the pulseaudio level, it is usually suggested to pulseaudio -k, then pulseaudio -vvv to start the daemon in verbose mode.
I have just upgraded my F10 i386 machine to F11 preview, and haven't yet done any audio testing on it.
DaveT.
ps. it's sort of poor list etiquete to set the reply to address of mail to lists to yourself only. If you are willing to put your queries in public, it makes sense that all readers of the list should get replies to your thread. So I adjust the to back to f-m-l and cc yourself.
David Timms wrote:
ps. it's sort of poor list etiquete to set the reply to address of mail to lists to yourself only. If you are willing to put your queries in public, it makes sense that all readers of the list should get replies to your thread. So I adjust the to back to f-m-l and cc yourself.
I have no idea what you are talking about, and I didn't change anything having to do with "reply-to" settings. I use Gmane to for all of my lists, so everything I send to a Gmane newsgroup gets sent to all mailing list members no matter what.
I have been sending all of my replies to both the Planet CCRMA "list" and the Fedora Music "list" (via Gmane) in order to get input from all thinkers on the subject. If you missed a message, then you aren't subscribed to both lists. However, I still quote what was said, so you should be able to get the point. If you choose not to reply to both lists when you respond to one of my messages, that is your choice. Personally, I hate mailing lists, and I think it makes a lot more sense to put this stuff on newsgroups, especially high-volume things like the general Fedora list, rather than pumping up one's inbox (especially when that inbox has a quota) with messages of which 25-95% of which I don't read, depending on the list.
Peace, William
On 17/05/09 07:10, William M. Quarles wrote:
David Timms wrote: I have no idea what you are talking about, and I didn't change anything having to do with "reply-to" settings. I use Gmane to for all of my lists, so everything I send to a Gmane newsgroup gets sent to all mailing list members no matter what.
All I'm saying is that hitting reply to any other message sent to fedora*-lists generates a message of the kind: to: fedora*-list, and therefore all lists members will see the responses, and threaded mail readers (like thunderbird) make it easy to follow a thread.
But if I do that with the messages that you send, thunderbird only: to: you
But looking at other fedora-music-list messages, this seems to be a problem with just the music list, and I am querying the list admin since it seems the issue might lie there. I guess that is why we are seeing some messages twice, and the message not being properly threaded, as people try to workaround the lack of inserted reply-to field.
Thanks for your feedback, William.
I have been sending all of my replies to both the Planet CCRMA "list" and the Fedora Music "list"
I would suggest if you are looking for the pro audio setup, the CCRMA lists are probably the right place to be subscribed. If it's really the more basic stuff you are after, then fedora-list will surely get you more responses.
DaveT.
ps. Since I'm now on F11 preview/rawhide, my audio is kinda "dumbed down" to the point of difficulty - I have an inbuilt sound card (that is noisy), and a soundblaster (live) that is quiet. I no longer get easy access to the volume control for the live card, neither do I get mixer or selection points for the card at all. As many mentioned on Fedora devel list, unless you are a default, simple setup user, these new features are rather a downgrade.
David Timms wrote: <snip>
All I'm saying is that hitting reply to any other message sent to fedora*-lists generates a message of the kind: to: fedora*-list, and therefore all lists members will see the responses, and threaded mail readers (like thunderbird) make it easy to follow a thread.
<snip>
Gmane should be able to retain threads. I CCed you on a message to get your personal attention, which is probably why you received an e-mail without the headers organized in a way that left the list out of the message, but the list got the message, too, you just got two copies of it, one coming from the Gmane server (by way of Fedora Mailman) and the other coming from my SMTP server on my ISP. My last message got sent twice because I forgot to include Planet CCRMA on the first try (acutally, I accidentally sent the first copy without the Planet's Gmane group fully typed out, which is why I sent it twice). I will try not to make these mistakes in the future, but really, Gmane works as far as preserving the threads, I just have to be certain not to screw around with putting mail headers in my newsgroup messages, as it results in people getting messages without the list as part of the headers. Lesson learned.
Really, all of this is off topic, could we please get back to getting my sound card working?
I uninstalled Pulseaudio, and while alsamixer -c0 still picks up on my AWE card, none of the GUI utilities do. I do not have integrated audio on my computer, so that is not the issue here. I am suspecting that there is a bug that is not allowing this card to work because it is an ISA card (actually, I think it's an EISA), and something broke somewhere in the sound software that is keeping me from running the card. I haven't installed Jack as Alsa by itself should be sufficient for what I am trying to do, which is to integrate this computer into my home entertainment system.
In addition, I can't fully boot about 75% of the time now, because X freezes when it is about to load, and my keyboard then becomes unresponsive. I'm about ready to throw in the towel and reinstall everything, which I hate doing, but considering how buggy this thing is acting, I don't know what other choice I have.
Peace, William
William M. Quarles wrote: <snip>
I uninstalled Pulseaudio, and while alsamixer -c0 still picks up on my AWE card, none of the GUI utilities do. I do not have integrated audio on my computer, so that is not the issue here. I am suspecting that there is a bug that is not allowing this card to work because it is an ISA card (actually, I think it's an EISA), and something broke somewhere in the sound software that is keeping me from running the card. I haven't installed Jack as Alsa by itself should be sufficient for what I am trying to do, which is to integrate this computer into my home entertainment system.
In addition, I can't fully boot about 75% of the time now, because X freezes when it is about to load, and my keyboard then becomes unresponsive. I'm about ready to throw in the towel and reinstall everything, which I hate doing, but considering how buggy this thing is acting, I don't know what other choice I have.
I managed to get the computer to load X (only after first starting up Windows XP's boot menu and CTRL+ALT+DEL my way back to Grub), so what's going on there I am still unsure of. I might have figured out the issue with the Sound Blaster AWE 64 Value card: only root has access it's controls. I really have no clue how that happened.
Anyone on either list know how to fix that issue?
Thanks, William
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