Re: Mixer Wowes

[William M. Quarles]

TheOther wrote:
> > David, or Fernando, or ANYBODY else out there, do you have any
> idea why 
> > this isn't working for me? Something smells funny about Pulseaudio, but 
> > I don't know enough about it to be able to say why.
>  
>  Hello William,
>  
>  You can check the PlanetCCRMA archives to see my thoughts and 
>  experiences with PulseAudio.
>  
>  If you have Fedora 10 installed, remove PulseAudio.
>  
>  If you are using Fedora 7, 8, or 9, then upgrade to Fedora 10 so you 
>  can remove PulseAudio.
>  
>  Good Luck,
>  Stephen. 
Sounds good to me, I don't even know what PulseAudio does other than it
kept Rhythmbox from working when I first installed Fedora 10 on a
computer. But what dependencies will I be breaking? Last time that I did
that, I also found like a dozen or so other applications that depended
on PulseAudio that my RPM database apparently didn't know about.

I'll give it a shot!

Thanks,
William

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[Development discussions related to Fedora]

On 15/05/09 05:05, William M. Quarles wrote:
>  TheOther wrote:
> >> David, or Fernando, or ANYBODY else out there, do you have any idea
> >> why this isn't working for me? Something smells funny about
> >> Pulseaudio, but I don't know enough about it to be able to say why. 
Hi
William, I've been across the other side of the country this past 
week; it seems you have been persevering, good to see.

> > You can check the PlanetCCRMA archives to see my thoughts and
> > experiences with PulseAudio. 
Without me actually reviewing the planet archives,
this might be 
summarized as:
People interested in real-time, production quality audio recording, 
manipulation and playback are probably better to use the 
jack-audio-connection-kit toolkit based apps, and real-time patched 
kernel from planet ccrma. Pulseaudio has other goals in mind, which in 
some way conflict with the purist way.

>  Sounds good to me, I don't even know what PulseAudio does other
> than it
>  kept Rhythmbox from working when I first installed Fedora 10 on a
>  computer. But what dependencies will I be breaking? 
If you decide to go down the
remove pulseaudio route, use yum to erase 
the bits you are thinking of doing. Then if something unexpected occurs, 
you can read the /var/log/yum*.log to remind you of the packages that 
you removed. At least doing that should lead you to determine whether 
pulseaudio is adding to your troubles. Without PA, all apps need to be 
pointed at alsa (I think).

If you want to see what is going on at the pulseaudio level, it is 
usually suggested to pulseaudio -k, then pulseaudio -vvv to start the 
daemon in verbose mode.

I have just upgraded my F10 i386 machine to F11 preview, and haven't yet 
done any audio testing on it.

DaveT.

ps. it's sort of poor list etiquete to set the reply to address of mail 
to lists to yourself only. If you are willing to put your queries in 
public, it makes sense that all readers of the list should get replies 
to your thread. So I adjust the to back to f-m-l and cc yourself.

Mixer Wowes

[William M. Quarles]

David Timms wrote:

>  ps. it's sort of poor list etiquete to set the reply to address
> of mail 
>  to lists to yourself only. If you are willing to put your queries in 
>  public, it makes sense that all readers of the list should get replies 
>  to your thread. So I adjust the to back to f-m-l and cc yourself.
>   
I have no idea what you are talking about, and I didn't change anything 
having to do with "reply-to" settings. I use Gmane to for all of my 
lists, so everything I send to a Gmane newsgroup gets sent to all 
mailing list members no matter what.

http://gmane.org/

I have been sending all of my replies to both the Planet CCRMA "list" 
and the Fedora Music "list" (via Gmane) in order to get input from all 
thinkers on the subject. If you missed a message, then you aren't 
subscribed to both lists. However, I still quote what was said, so you 
should be able to get the point. If you choose not to reply to both 
lists when you respond to one of my messages, that is your choice. 
Personally, I hate mailing lists, and I think it makes a lot more sense 
to put this stuff on newsgroups, especially high-volume things like the 
general Fedora list, rather than pumping up one's inbox (especially when 
that inbox has a quota) with messages of which 25-95% of which I don't 
read, depending on the list.

Peace,
William

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[Development discussions related to Fedora]

On 17/05/09 07:10, William M. Quarles wrote:
>  David Timms wrote:
>  I have no idea what you are talking about, and I didn't change anything
>  having to do with "reply-to" settings. I use Gmane to for all of my
>  lists, so everything I send to a Gmane newsgroup gets sent to all
>  mailing list members no matter what. 
All I'm saying is that hitting reply to
any other message sent to 
fedora*-lists generates a message of the kind:
to: fedora*-list, and therefore all lists members will see the 
responses, and threaded mail readers (like thunderbird) make it easy to 
follow a thread.

But if I do that with the messages that you send, thunderbird only:
to: you

But looking at other fedora-music-list messages, this seems to be a 
problem with just the music list, and I am querying the list admin since 
it seems the issue might lie there.
I guess that is why we are seeing some messages twice, and the message 
not being properly threaded, as people try to workaround the lack of 
inserted reply-to field.

Thanks for your feedback, William.

>  I have been sending all of my replies to both the Planet CCRMA
> "list"
>  and the Fedora Music "list" 
I would suggest if you are looking for the
pro audio setup, the CCRMA 
lists are probably the right place to be subscribed. If it's really the 
more basic stuff you are after, then fedora-list will surely get you 
more responses.

DaveT.

ps. Since I'm now on F11 preview/rawhide, my audio is kinda "dumbed 
down" to the point of difficulty - I have an inbuilt sound card (that is 
noisy), and a soundblaster (live) that is quiet. I no longer get easy 
access to the volume control for the live card, neither do I get mixer 
or selection points for the card at all. As many mentioned on Fedora 
devel list, unless you are a default, simple setup user, these new 
features are rather a downgrade.

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[William M. Quarles]

David Timms wrote:
<snip>
>  All I'm saying is that hitting reply to any other message sent to
>
>  fedora*-lists generates a message of the kind:
>  to: fedora*-list, and therefore all lists members will see the 
>  responses, and threaded mail readers (like thunderbird) make it easy to 
>  follow a thread. 
<snip>

Gmane should be able to retain threads. I CCed you on a message to get 
your personal attention, which is probably why you received an e-mail 
without the headers organized in a way that left the list out of the 
message, but the list got the message, too, you just got two copies of 
it, one coming from the Gmane server (by way of Fedora Mailman) and the 
other coming from my SMTP server on my ISP. My last message got sent 
twice because I forgot to include Planet CCRMA on the first try 
(acutally, I accidentally sent the first copy without the Planet's Gmane 
group fully typed out, which is why I sent it twice). I will try not to 
make these mistakes in the future, but really, Gmane works as far as 
preserving the threads, I just have to be certain not to screw around 
with putting mail headers in my newsgroup messages, as it results in 
people getting messages without the list as part of the headers. Lesson 
learned.

Really, all of this is off topic, could we please get back to getting my 
sound card working?

I uninstalled Pulseaudio, and while alsamixer -c0 still picks up on my 
AWE card, none of the GUI utilities do. I do not have integrated audio 
on my computer, so that is not the issue here. I am suspecting that 
there is a bug that is not allowing this card to work because it is an 
ISA card (actually, I think it's an EISA), and something broke somewhere 
in the sound software that is keeping me from running the card. I 
haven't installed Jack as Alsa by itself should be sufficient for what I 
am trying to do, which is to integrate this computer into my home 
entertainment system.

In addition, I can't fully boot about 75% of the time now, because X 
freezes when it is about to load, and my keyboard then becomes 
unresponsive. I'm about ready to throw in the towel and reinstall 
everything, which I hate doing, but considering how buggy this thing is 
acting, I don't know what other choice I have.

Peace,
William

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[William M. Quarles]

William M. Quarles wrote:
<snip>
>  I uninstalled Pulseaudio, and while alsamixer -c0 still picks up on
> my 
>  AWE card, none of the GUI utilities do. I do not have integrated audio 
>  on my computer, so that is not the issue here. I am suspecting that 
>  there is a bug that is not allowing this card to work because it is an 
>  ISA card (actually, I think it's an EISA), and something broke somewhere 
>  in the sound software that is keeping me from running the card. I 
>  haven't installed Jack as Alsa by itself should be sufficient for what I 
>  am trying to do, which is to integrate this computer into my home 
>  entertainment system.
>  
>  In addition, I can't fully boot about 75% of the time now, because X 
>  freezes when it is about to load, and my keyboard then becomes 
>  unresponsive. I'm about ready to throw in the towel and reinstall 
>  everything, which I hate doing, but considering how buggy this thing is 
>  acting, I don't know what other choice I have. 
I managed to get the computer to load X (only after first starting up 
Windows XP's boot menu and CTRL+ALT+DEL my way back to Grub), so what's 
going on there I am still unsure of. I might have figured out the issue 
with the Sound Blaster AWE 64 Value card: only root has access it's 
controls. I really have no clue how that happened.

Anyone on either list know how to fix that issue?

Thanks,
William