8:27 a.m.
One of the annoying things about running qjackctl on a fresh Fedora
install is that you have to remember to edit /etc/security/limits.conf
as per /usr/share/doc/jack-audio-connection-kit-0.102.20/README.Fedora
or else it doesn't work at all. I'm wondering if there's something we
can do to make this easier.
One idea is to wrap qjackctl in a script that essentially parses
limits.conf to see that everything is set up properly for $USER. If
not, it pops up a dialog box explaining the problem and offering to edit
it for $USER. If the user agrees, it runs a consolehelper app to fix up
limits.conf and continues on with qjackctl.
I just can't imagine how a new user gets anything running without
stumbling upon that README.Fedora file or searching for help on the web.
Good idea? Bad idea? Suggestions?
AG
1:14 p.m.
Anthony Green wrote:
One of the annoying things about running qjackctl on a fresh Fedora
install is that you have to remember to edit /etc/security/limits.conf
as per /usr/share/doc/jack-audio-connection-kit-0.102.20/README.Fedora
or else it doesn't work at all. I'm wondering if there's something we
can do to make this easier.
One idea is to wrap qjackctl in a script that essentially parses
limits.conf to see that everything is set up properly for $USER. If
not, it pops up a dialog box explaining the problem and offering to edit
it for $USER. If the user agrees, it runs a consolehelper app to fix up
limits.conf and continues on with qjackctl.
I just can't imagine how a new user gets anything running without
stumbling upon that README.Fedora file or searching for help on the web.
Good idea? Bad idea? Suggestions?
I was about to say "just let the install scripts do the change in the
background, without asking, and be done with it" but then I remembered
you have to specify the user name(s).
So, yeah, good idea, no doubt. Just make sure to distinguish between
installs being performed via an xterm running in an X session, and a
plain-text session via ssh, or via a local text console - the user will
have to be prompted differently in each case.
The question is - should qjackctl do the change, or
jack-audio-connection-kit? I can see arguments leaning each way.
--
Florin Andrei
http://florin.myip.org/
2:37 p.m.
On Sun, 2007-01-07 at 11:14 -0800, Florin Andrei wrote:
I was about to say "just let the install scripts do the change
in the
background, without asking, and be done with it" but then I remembered
you have to specify the user name(s).
So, yeah, good idea, no doubt. Just make sure to distinguish between
installs being performed via an xterm running in an X session, and a
plain-text session via ssh, or via a local text console - the user will
have to be prompted differently in each case.
If we do it around qjackctl, then we don't have to worry about this,
since we're only talking about GUI console users.
The question is - should qjackctl do the change, or
jack-audio-connection-kit? I can see arguments leaning each way.
Hand-holding for command line users can be counter-productive. Wrapping
qjackctl also solves the problem you describe above.
It would be nice to have this for Fedora 7, but I can't volunteer to
write it any time soon. I just thought I'd write it down while I was
thinking of it, and would be really happy if somebody else had time to
do this...
AG
3:09 p.m.
On Sun, 2007-01-07 at 06:27 -0800, Anthony Green wrote:
I just can't imagine how a new user gets anything running
without
stumbling upon that README.Fedora file or searching for help on the web.
Good idea? Bad idea? Suggestions?
We really need to put together a decent "How to get started" guide on
the wiki. Well, and a SIG page period. ;P Look at what the Games SIG is
doing. And the CCRMA@home docs is a good template as well. I've been
wanting to do this but I'm in need of round tuits...
Has jack's README.Fedora been changed to recommend a memlock of 131072
(128mb) or so? 50000 is really not enough. Its been like a year now and
131072 has served me well.
Not sure how we can do out-of-the-box setup that will be acceptable
distribution-wide. Perhaps we can do it debian style, add yourself to
the "jackuser" group if you want real time perms.
4:18 p.m.
On Sun, 2007-01-07 at 15:09 -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote:
Has jack's README.Fedora been changed to recommend a memlock of
131072
(128mb) or so? 50000 is really not enough.
No, I don't think so. File a bug I guess.
Not sure how we can do out-of-the-box setup that will be acceptable
distribution-wide. Perhaps we can do it debian style, add yourself to
the "jackuser" group if you want real time perms.
Oh, I like this idea. So the jack-audio-connection-kit %post would
create a jackuser group, and add the following to limits.conf...
@jackuser - rtprio 20
@jackuser - memlock 131072
Then we could still have a wrapper around qjackctl to see if the user is
a member of the jackuser group and give them the option of joining if
not (via consolehelper app).
Does that sound right?
AG
5:06 p.m.
Anthony Green wrote:
Oh, I like this idea. So the jack-audio-connection-kit %post would
create a jackuser group, and add the following to limits.conf...
@jackuser - rtprio 20
@jackuser - memlock 131072
Then we could still have a wrapper around qjackctl to see if the user is
a member of the jackuser group and give them the option of joining if
not (via consolehelper app).
Does that sound right?
Perfect.
--
Florin Andrei
http://florin.myip.org/
5:52 p.m.
On Sun, 2007-01-07 at 15:06 -0800, Florin Andrei wrote:
> Does that sound right?
Perfect.
I've filed a bug for adding the jackuser group...
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=221785
AG
4:41 p.m.
On Sun, 2007-01-07 at 14:18 -0800, Anthony Green wrote:
Oh, I like this idea. So the jack-audio-connection-kit %post would
create a jackuser group, and add the following to limits.conf...
@jackuser - rtprio 20
@jackuser - memlock 131072
Modifying other packages config files in %post is evil hackery that
should be avoided at all costs. As we're entering the grand new era of
the Unified Nation of Fedora, we should be able to push to have the
proper settings in limits.conf to begin with....
6:49 p.m.
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 16:41 -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote:
On Sun, 2007-01-07 at 14:18 -0800, Anthony Green wrote:
> Oh, I like this idea. So the jack-audio-connection-kit %post would
> create a jackuser group, and add the following to limits.conf...
>
> @jackuser - rtprio 20
> @jackuser - memlock 131072
Modifying other packages config files in %post is evil hackery that
should be avoided at all costs. As we're entering the grand new era of
the Unified Nation of Fedora, we should be able to push to have the
proper settings in limits.conf to begin with....
I agree...
What I have done in the past (have not done it yet for fc6 as I have not
released a low latency kernel) is to publish pam packages in Planet
CCRMA so that things work "out of the box" for Planet CCRMA users. A lot
less than optimal but the only way I could get things to work with no
"hacking" of configuration files, etc, etc.
-- Fernando
12:04 p.m.
On Sun, 2007-01-07 at 15:09 -0600, Callum Lerwick wrote:
On Sun, 2007-01-07 at 06:27 -0800, Anthony Green wrote:
> I just can't imagine how a new user gets anything running without
> stumbling upon that README.Fedora file or searching for help on the web.
>
> Good idea? Bad idea? Suggestions?
We really need to put together a decent "How to get started" guide on
the wiki. Well, and a SIG page period. ;P Look at what the Games SIG is
doing. And the CCRMA@home docs is a good template as well. I've been
wanting to do this but I'm in need of round tuits...
I did make a start at this then got side tracked:
http://www.passback.co.uk/music/fedora-music-intro/
I really should get round to finishing the other parts.
Keith.
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