Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Fedora Extras

[Fernando Lopez-Lezcano]

On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 15:49 -0700, Anthony Green wrote:
>  On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 15:20 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
>  > Which spec files have you worked on?
>  
>  They're all listed here: http://people.redhat.com/green/FE/FC5 
Hey great!! Too bad you did not sync with me, I've been working this two
last weeks on pretty much the same stuff. But there are things that I
don't have which is great! What has delayed me this past week is work on
the menu system (I'm pretty much done and I was going to release a bunch
of packages later today). 

If I may suggest a couple of things after a quick look, ladcca is not
longer needed - I imagine it is there only as a result of previous
builds? I would drop qjackconnect in favor of qjackctl, the later is the
canonical jack server control app (and also sports a midi patchbay). I
added a patch for lash so that it does not need an entry
in /etc/services for the lash service (it will use the default instead).
You will be able to pick this later today from the srpm. DSSI is now up
to 0.9.1 and fluidsynth-dssi is a separate package (finally!). Are you
planning on packaging the Hydrogen kits separately? I used to have a
separate package but I merged them into the main package a while back...
the example drumkits and demo songs are very useful for demos, with them
(or at least some of them) it is easy to just fire up hydrogen and get
sound out of it. 

Another question... have you tried caps with ardour? I'm having problems
with that combination, selinux complains about something and the caps
collection does not get loaded at all.

>  > > A few months ago there was a discussion on this list about
> moving some
>  > > packages from PlanetCCRMA to Extras.  I took the JACK submission as a
>  > > cue and started submitting.
>  > 
>  > Sigh, I was not aware that Jack had already been submitted. 
>  
>  Yes, two months ago:
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183912
>  
>  I only noticed last month. 
I didn't... I could have answered a lot of those questions really
fast...

What should be packaged today, at least till that patch makes it into
cvs (that was going to happen a couple of days ago) is the clock_fix
branch of Jack cvs. Otherwise Jack will have problems in Athlon X2
machines...

>  > As I said, no problem. But I would appreciate if people
> don't reinvent
>  > the wheel and create specs from scratch given that they are available
>  > from Planet CCRMA (and I have worked on them for so long). 
>  
>  Yes, of course.  You've done great work.  All of the packages I've
>  submitted are based on your spec files, with the changelog history
>  preserved.  See the ardour spec file, for example:
>  http://people.redhat.com/green/FE/FC5/ardour.spec 
Thanks, most probably most of it will be "trimmed", right? There was a
discussion long ago about keeping only a certain ammount of history in
the changelog. I don't know what became of that - I think they were
scavenging for space to avoid including one more disk in the base
distro. 

-- Fernando

[PlanetCCRMA] Fedora Extras

[Anthony Green]

On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 16:38 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
>  Hey great!! Too bad you did not sync with me, I've been working
> this two
>  last weeks on pretty much the same stuff. But there are things that I
>  don't have which is great! What has delayed me this past week is work on
>  the menu system (I'm pretty much done and I was going to release a bunch
>  of packages later today). 
I'll see if there's anything I should take from your spec files.

>  If I may suggest a couple of things after a quick look, ladcca is
> not
>  longer needed - I imagine it is there only as a result of previous
>  builds? 
Yes, I didn't submit that to Extras and don't plan to.  I built it for
vkeybd, but then realized it would better to port vkeydb to LASH instead
(which I did).

>   I would drop qjackconnect in favor of qjackctl, the later is the
>  canonical jack server control app (and also sports a midi patchbay).  
Yes, I'm not planning on submitting qjackconnect to Extras either.  My
recent post to fedora-music-list lists the packages I've submitted so
far. 


>  I
>  added a patch for lash so that it does not need an entry
>  in /etc/services for the lash service (it will use the default instead).
>  You will be able to pick this later today from the srpm. 
I'll grab that.

>   DSSI is now up
>  to 0.9.1 and fluidsynth-dssi is a separate package (finally!). 
Ok, thanks for pointing that out.

>   Are you
>  planning on packaging the Hydrogen kits separately? I used to have a
>  separate package but I merged them into the main package a while back...
>  the example drumkits and demo songs are very useful for demos, with them
>  (or at least some of them) it is easy to just fire up hydrogen and get
>  sound out of it.  
I didn't know there was a PlanetCCRMA hydrogen package, so I wrote this
one from scratch.  I bundled everything in the hydrogen package (kits &
demos), for the same reason.

>  Another question... have you tried caps with ardour? I'm having
> problems
>  with that combination, selinux complains about something and the caps
>  collection does not get loaded at all. 
I'm one of those bad hackers who disables selinux.  I'll enable and see
what happens.

>  What should be packaged today, at least till that patch makes it
> into
>  cvs (that was going to happen a couple of days ago) is the clock_fix
>  branch of Jack cvs. Otherwise Jack will have problems in Athlon X2
>  machines... 
You should mention this here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183912

>  Thanks, most probably most of it will be "trimmed", right?
> There was a
>  discussion long ago about keeping only a certain ammount of history in
>  the changelog. I don't know what became of that - I think they were
>  scavenging for space to avoid including one more disk in the base
>  distro.  
Hmm.. I have no plans to trim the history.  Perhaps somebody will
mention this during the review bugzilla.

AG

[PlanetCCRMA] Fedora Extras

[Fernando Lopez-Lezcano]

On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 16:55 -0700, Anthony Green wrote:
>  On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 16:38 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
>  > Hey great!! Too bad you did not sync with me, I've been working this two
>  > last weeks on pretty much the same stuff. But there are things that I
>  > don't have which is great! What has delayed me this past week is work on
>  > the menu system (I'm pretty much done and I was going to release a bunch
>  > of packages later today).
>  
>  I'll see if there's anything I should take from your spec files. 
And viceversa, I see you did a bunch of improvements in the ardour spec
file! BTW, you may know something about this...

I'm working on what used to be the Planet CCRMA menu. I had this on fc3,
then could not make it work as is in fc4 but it is time I readded it,
and I just did that for fc5 (and will percolate to fc4). It basically an
(optional) submenu of the Audio/Video applications submenu where the
apps are categorized. But the question is about the Fedora Audio/Video
menu. Currently there is no "More Audio/Video Applications" entry in the
applications menu xml file, but there is a "Multimedia-More.directory"
directory file. So I'm adding a merged "More..." submenu in my optional
planetccrma-menus package so that I can push "not so important apps"
from the main Audio/Video menu - otherwise it becomes really really long
with the full set of Planet CCRMA applications (if the optional
planetccrma-menus is not installed they will just not appear in the menu
system). 

What would be the category for those? I seem to remember something like
this used to be: <Category>AudioVideo-Extra</Category>. Would this be
fine? (I'm doing that for now)

>  [MUNCH]
>  > I would drop qjackconnect in favor of qjackctl, the later is the
>  > canonical jack server control app (and also sports a midi patchbay). 
>  
>  Yes, I'm not planning on submitting qjackconnect to Extras either.  My
>  recent post to fedora-music-list lists the packages I've submitted so
>  far.  
Oh, I had not seen it. Sigh, I'm soooo behind on so many fronts :-)

>  > I added a patch for lash so that it does not need an entry
>  > in /etc/services for the lash service (it will use the default instead).
>  > You will be able to pick this later today from the srpm.
>  
>  I'll grab that.
>  
>  > DSSI is now up
>  > to 0.9.1 and fluidsynth-dssi is a separate package (finally!).
>  
>  Ok, thanks for pointing that out.
>  
>  > Are you
>  > planning on packaging the Hydrogen kits separately? I used to have a
>  > separate package but I merged them into the main package a while back...
>  > the example drumkits and demo songs are very useful for demos, with them
>  > (or at least some of them) it is easy to just fire up hydrogen and get
>  > sound out of it. 
>  
>  I didn't know there was a PlanetCCRMA hydrogen package, so I wrote this
>  one from scratch.  I bundled everything in the hydrogen package (kits &
>  demos), for the same reason. 
Hmmm, maybe I'm looking at the wrong spec file, it looks like your
hydrogen package does not have any drumkits in it?

>  > Another question... have you tried caps with ardour? I'm
> having problems
>  > with that combination, selinux complains about something and the caps
>  > collection does not get loaded at all.
>  
>  I'm one of those bad hackers who disables selinux.  I'll enable and see
>  what happens. 
Let me know what happens and if you find a workaround. I imagine some
sort of magic chcon has to be done on the libraries at build time...

>  > What should be packaged today, at least till that patch makes it
> into
>  > cvs (that was going to happen a couple of days ago) is the clock_fix
>  > branch of Jack cvs. Otherwise Jack will have problems in Athlon X2
>  > machines...
>  
>  You should mention this here:
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183912 
I will, thanks for pointing this out to me. 
-- Fernando

[PlanetCCRMA] Fedora Extras

[Anthony Green]

On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 17:36 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
>  And viceversa, I see you did a bunch of improvements in the ardour
> spec
>  file! 
The Extras contribution process, while often slow, is extremely useful.

>  What would be the category for those? I seem to remember something
> like
>  this used to be: <Category>AudioVideo-Extra</Category>. Would this be
>  fine? (I'm doing that for now) 
I'm really not an expert in these things.  My suggestion is to
contribute it to Fedora Extras and it will be discussed as part of the
review process.

>  Hmmm, maybe I'm looking at the wrong spec file, it looks like
> your
>  hydrogen package does not have any drumkits in it? 
They all get picked up in the %files section by...
%{_datadir}/hydrogen

AG