Further to the dumping of fedora jam from nightlies and test builds it looks like we wont be in F23 (despite being on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/23/Spins) and will have to re-submit the spin for approval for F24 (not clear how to do that as many of the things in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process are already done). Is it worth doing? I don't mind doing testing on composes and images, but don't want to just go ahead and re-submit the spin without asking here first.
I'm in favor. But maybe we should consider other options? Do we know why we were dropped in the first place?
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015, 4:00 AM Ian Malone ibmalone@gmail.com wrote:
Further to the dumping of fedora jam from nightlies and test builds it looks like we wont be in F23 (despite being on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/23/Spins) and will have to re-submit the spin for approval for F24 (not clear how to do that as many of the things in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process are already done). Is it worth doing? I don't mind doing testing on composes and images, but don't want to just go ahead and re-submit the spin without asking here first.
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Looks like the spin was dropped due to no one paying attention when the builds were failing. It also needs to be built and tested by the SIG before Feature freeze (which is prior to Alpha release).
As the spin does not really add anything that can't be obtained via the comps package, uses a desktop manager that is not really lightweight and I'm not really sure is worth the effort. The original hope was that we would attract more people to the spin to help maintain packages (and the spin itself) etc but this hasn't worked.
If it is decided to resubmit for fedora 24, I'd suggest requiring more people who have access to the spins kickstart repo so they can edit the files when builds fail, when packages change etc. As far as I'm aware that is only me at this stage.
On 11/09/15 02:08, Brian Monroe wrote:
I'm in favor. But maybe we should consider other options? Do we know why we were dropped in the first place?
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Further to the dumping of fedora jam from nightlies and test builds it looks like we wont be in F23 (despite being on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/23/Spins) and will have to re-submit the spin for approval for F24 (not clear how to do that as many of the things in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process are already done). Is it worth doing? I don't mind doing testing on composes and images, but don't want to just go ahead and re-submit the spin without asking here first. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk _______________________________________________ music mailing list music@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:music@lists.fedoraproject.org> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music
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On 11 September 2015 at 08:14, Brendan Jones brendan.jones.it@gmail.com wrote:
Looks like the spin was dropped due to no one paying attention when the builds were failing. It also needs to be built and tested by the SIG before Feature freeze (which is prior to Alpha release).
I suppose I feel a bit hard done by on that, it was broken by a change made to the KDE live spin (not something we did), in a round of renames that also broke the games spin https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/spin-kickstarts.git/commit/?id=036cbc2ae64... the results of which apparently weren't checked, then dropped at the same time as games. Dropping them from the nightly builds wasn't announced anywhere I'm subscribed to far as I can tell (it's a change in a releng git, which does not go to the spins list, Adam Williamson did notice on test@ that the games spin was missing when the alpha compose was done). And though Jam was broken by the same change, later removed at the same time, and both were left out of alpha, games has been brought back and we haven't.
Masta also suggested updating the kickstart to use livemedia-creator instead of livecd-creator since the latter will become depreciated soon. I just got access to the kickstart git so I'll help with that, and what you suggested Brandon.
Another thing Brandon brought up, If we're working on changing/reworking the spin, is there a consensus to move to a lighter DE to help with performance? I'm in favor.
I will say that the spin does help configure jack correctly (outside of adding yourself to the jack users group) which is a benefit to linux newbies.
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 2:47 AM Ian Malone ibmalone@gmail.com wrote:
On 11 September 2015 at 08:14, Brendan Jones brendan.jones.it@gmail.com wrote:
Looks like the spin was dropped due to no one paying attention when the builds were failing. It also needs to be built and tested by the SIG
before
Feature freeze (which is prior to Alpha release).
I suppose I feel a bit hard done by on that, it was broken by a change made to the KDE live spin (not something we did), in a round of renames that also broke the games spin
https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/spin-kickstarts.git/commit/?id=036cbc2ae64... the results of which apparently weren't checked, then dropped at the same time as games. Dropping them from the nightly builds wasn't announced anywhere I'm subscribed to far as I can tell (it's a change in a releng git, which does not go to the spins list, Adam Williamson did notice on test@ that the games spin was missing when the alpha compose was done). And though Jam was broken by the same change, later removed at the same time, and both were left out of alpha, games has been brought back and we haven't.
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On 11 September 2015 at 14:42, Brian Monroe briancmonroe@gmail.com wrote:
Masta also suggested updating the kickstart to use livemedia-creator instead of livecd-creator since the latter will become depreciated soon. I just got access to the kickstart git so I'll help with that, and what you suggested Brandon.
I've found this: https://www.brianlane.com/creating-live-isos-with-livemedia-creator.html
If we're depending on the other kickstarts then we should get the advantage of any updates they do to work with it. On the other hand that reference to flattening the kickstart (unless it's just a convenience thing) is a bit worrying. Of course if we're relying on the other kickstarts there's also the possibility of being randomly sunk again because someone else has broken something.
Another thing Brandon brought up, If we're working on changing/reworking the spin, is there a consensus to move to a lighter DE to help with performance? I'm in favor.
I don't mind, since using KDE for the spin I've come to quite like it and don't find it too bad in terms of performance installed, but of course on my own system I can install whatever desktop I like. Performance in a live boot probably would benefit from a more lightweight desktop (it would certainly make testing a bit smoother), provided actual usability wasn't impacted.
I will say that the spin does help configure jack correctly (outside of adding yourself to the jack users group) which is a benefit to linux newbies.
Definitely agree with this. Even if it hasn't achieved everything Brendan hoped in terms of more packaging support I think having this has helped look at and focus on the out-of-the-box experience for the different packages included, so even if the ISO isn't widely used people are still benefiting from its existence.
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 2:47 AM Ian Malone ibmalone@gmail.com wrote:
On 11 September 2015 at 08:14, Brendan Jones brendan.jones.it@gmail.com wrote:
Looks like the spin was dropped due to no one paying attention when the builds were failing. It also needs to be built and tested by the SIG before Feature freeze (which is prior to Alpha release).
I suppose I feel a bit hard done by on that, it was broken by a change made to the KDE live spin (not something we did), in a round of renames that also broke the games spin
https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/spin-kickstarts.git/commit/?id=036cbc2ae64... the results of which apparently weren't checked, then dropped at the same time as games. Dropping them from the nightly builds wasn't announced anywhere I'm subscribed to far as I can tell (it's a change in a releng git, which does not go to the spins list, Adam Williamson did notice on test@ that the games spin was missing when the alpha compose was done). And though Jam was broken by the same change, later removed at the same time, and both were left out of alpha, games has been brought back and we haven't.
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