Re: Fedora-news-list Digest, Vol 9, Issue 8
by Md. Atiqur Rahman
I'm using Linux as my hobby for many days, but I'm not advanced such to
build a package of my own. Could you please what the is to get skills enough
to kde or gnome development programming. I need a guideline to contribute in
Linux. Please help me.
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The Daily Package is Back!
by Thomas Chung
Hi Chris,
Just saw your blog[1]
Welcome back!
As always, your spot is available at.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/DailyPackage
Cheers!
[1] http://dailypackage.fedorabook.com/index.php?/archives/152-The-Daily-Pack...
--
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung
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The week of Thanksgiving
by Thomas Chung
Team,
To celebrate Thanksgiving Day, Fedora News Team will take the next week off.
Have a Great Holiday everyone!
Regards,
--
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung
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Fedora Weekly News Issue 110
by Thomas Chung
= Fedora Weekly News Issue 110 =
Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 110 for the week of November 12th.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue110
In Announcements, we have "Fedora Unity releases Fedora 8 Everything Spin".
In AskFedora, we have "GIMP 2.4.1 and Fedora 7", "Automatic Security Updates".
In PlanetFedora, we have "Seam running under IcedTea on Fedora 8",
"Fedora 8 on a MacBook (intel)", "Custom Kernel documentation updated"
and "First Torrent Movie".
To celebrate Thanksgiving Day[1], Fedora News Team will take the next
week off. Have a Safe Holiday!
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving
To join or give us your feedback, please visit
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join.
1. Announcements
1. Fedora Unity releases Fedora 8 Everything Spin
2. Ask Fedora
1. GIMP 2.4.1 and Fedora 7
2. Automatic Security Updates
3. Planet Fedora
1. Seam running under IcedTea on Fedora 8
2. Fedora 8 on a MacBook (intel)
3. Custom Kernel documentation updated
4. First Torrent Movie
4. Marketing
1. cio.com: The Fedora OS: Free, Stable and Customizable
2. redhatmagazine.com: Tour of GNOME Online Desktop
3. linuxtoday.com: Spinning a New Kind of Distro
4. coffeedaze.com: Fedora/Linux for Noobs
5. arstechnica.com: Fedora 8 sees strong adoption in first week
6. distrowatch.com: Distrowatch reviews Fedora 8
7. softpedia.com: Installing Fedora 8 Werewolf
5. Developments
1. As Review Request Queue Lengthens Tempers Shorten
2. NetworkManager Making Fedora 8 Hostile To Sysadmins ?
3. Minimal Requires: Codename "Masochist"
4. Gecko-libs Now Provided By Xulrunner-devel
5. Autoloading Of Kmods In Udev Area
6. /tftpboot Versus /var/tftp Or Somewhere Else
7. Buildserver Kernel Release (PPC64)
8. Extension Buddy For Fedora 9 ?
9. PulseAudio CPU Usage
10. Old Libtool Problems Reported By Check-rpaths
6. Artwork
1. Naming of Fedora 9?
2. Fedora 9 Theming?
3. Rounded Corners Patch for Nodoka
4. Spring and Autumn On Your Desktop
5. Infinity 24 for KDE
7. Security Week
1. Samba
2. AppArmor's Security Goals
3. Hushmail not so hush
8. Advisories and Updates
1. Fedora 8 Security Advisories
2. Fedora 7 Security Advisories
3. Fedora Core 6 Security Advisories
9. Events and Meetings
1. Fedora Board Meeting Minutes 2007-MM-DD
2. Fedora Ambassadors Meeting 2007-MM-DD
3. Fedora Documentation Steering Committee (Log) 2007-MM-DD
4. Fedora Engineering Steering Committee Meeting 2007-11-15
5. Fedora Infrastructure Meeting (Log) 2007-11-15
6. Fedora Localization Meeting 2007-MM-DD
7. Fedora Marketing Meeting 2007-MM-DD
8. Fedora Packaging Committee Meeting 2007-MM-DD
9. Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting 2007-11-14
10. Fedora Release Engineering Meeting 2007-11-12
11. Fedora SIG EPEL Meeting Week 45
12. Fedora SIG KDE Meeting Week 46
13. Fedora SIG Store Meeting 2007-11-14
[[Anchor(Announcements)]]
== Announcements ==
In this section, we cover announcements from Fedora Project.
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Contributing Writer: ThomasChung
=== Fedora Unity releases Fedora 8 Everything Spin ===
JeroenVanMeeuwen announces in fedora-announce-list[1],
"The Fedora Unity Project is proud to announce the release of new
spin[2], the Everything Spin. Included in this spin are all the
packages available at the time Fedora 8 was released."
"This spin also includes 3 DVD images for each architecture, as well
as 2 DVD Dual Layer images for those who are able to use them."
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-November/msg000...
[2] http://spins.fedoraunity.org/
[[Anchor(AskFedora)]]
== Ask Fedora ==
In this section, we answer general questions from Fedora community.
Send your questions to askfedora AT fedoraproject.org and Fedora News
Team will bring you answers from the Fedora Developers and
Contributors to selected number of questions every week as part of our
weekly news report. Please indicate if you do not wish your name
and/or email address to be published.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AskFedora
Contributing Writer: NilsPhilippsen, RahulSundaram
=== GIMP 2.4.1 and Fedora 7 ===
''Hasson Ofer <hassonofer AT gmail.com> : Will you make official gimp
2.4.1 package to fedora 7 ?''
I've requested the push:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F7/pending/gimp-2.4.1-1.fc7
These are the update notes as of now:
This update is a major version change. Please test thoroughly. Don't
flag it as working unless you have done really extensive testing! I
don't want to push this to stable too soon.
For new features and other changes, please read the release notes of
GIMP 2.4 on the web: http://www.gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.4.html
GIMP 2.4 is supposed to be compatible to older GIMP 2.x versions as far
as plug-ins are concerned. It also uses the TinyScheme interpreter now
for Script-Fu scripts which is a bit less forgiving about certain
programming errors. If you use custom Script-Fu scripts, you might have
to fix them to work in GIMP 2.4. Read the Script-Fu Migration Guide on
the web for further information:
http://www.gimp.org/docs/script-fu-update.html
-- NilsPhilippsen
=== Automatic Security Updates ===
''Jenni and Adri <jattas AT supernerd.com.au> :
I am a new user of Fedora and notice the regular updates. Some of them
are huge. I have a 1 Gb monthly down and upload allowance and after
that my ISP slows the speed of my internet service down. I used to let
the updates download regardless, but I discovered that the size was
that large that I nearly lost all capacity in the first 5 or 6 days of
the month.
My question is: Is it possible to indicate the size of the automatic
down loads so that I know how large the down loads are, so that I can
do these down loads when it is the end of the service month?''
While the software updater (Pup) does not show the size of the
updates, there are two nifty yum plugins that can save you the hassle
of keeping track of package sizes. The first is a plugin called
'''yum-security''' that shows only the security updates and the second
is a plugin called '''yum-presto''' [1] that downloads only the binary
diff's on software updates instead of a full new package and can save
you quite a lot of bandwidth and time. Use a combination of both and
you don't have to worry about running out of bandwidth.
[1] http://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/presto
[[Anchor(PlanetFedora)]]
== Planet Fedora ==
In this section, we cover a highlight of Planet Fedora - an
aggregation of blogs from world wide Fedora contributors.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet
Contributing Writers: ThomasChung
=== Seam running under IcedTea on Fedora 8 ===
KarstenWade points out in his blog[1]
"Best thing about his adventure? Pete ran a "highly unscientific test"
and found out that IcedTea outperformed other JDKs"
[1] http://iquaid.org/2007/11/18/seam-running-under-icedtea-on-fedora-8/
=== Fedora 8 on a MacBook (intel) ===
KonstantinRyabitsev points out in his blog[1]
"It works quite well, including brightness buttons and the "fn" key. I
upgraded from Fedora 7, so I can't comment on whether the installation
has improved -- perhaps I'll try it again later."
=== Custom Kernel documentation updated ===
SamFolkWilliams points out in his blog[1],
"As several people have noticed, there were quite a few changes to the
kernel spec file with the release of Fedora 8. The custom kernel
document has now been updated to reflect these changes."
[1] http://samfw.blogspot.com/2007/11/custom-kernel-documentation-updated.html
[1] http://mricon.livejournal.com/386456.html
=== First Torrent Movie ===
JefSpaleta points out in his blog[1],
"As promised, I've started making animations of some of the torrent
activity for the Fedora 8 torrents. And instead of using youtube, I'm
now uploading the final videos to archive.org so you can get access to
the original theora files."
[1] http://jspaleta.livejournal.com/15989.html
[[Anchor(Marketing)]]
== Marketing ==
In this section, we cover Fedora Marketing Project.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing
Contributing Writer: ThomasChung
=== cio.com: The Fedora OS: Free, Stable and Customizable ===
RahulSundaram reports in fedora-marketing-list[1],
"The Fedora Project builds a world-class Linux operating system,
consisting of entirely free (meaning both zero-cost and full source
code available) software, that is used by companies, organizations and
individuals worldwide."
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-November/msg00...
=== redhatmagazine.com: Tour of GNOME Online Desktop ===
RahulSundaram reports in fedora-marketing-list[1],
"Here's a tour of the pre-alpha demo release of GNOME Online Desktop
included in Fedora 8. Learn more about what it does and how you can
get involved in the project."
[1] http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/11/13/tour-of-gnome-online-desktop/
=== linuxtoday.com: Spinning a New Kind of Distro ===
RahulSundaram reports in fedora-marketing-list[1],
"While talking with Fedora Project Leader MaxSpevack yesterday, I
increasingly got the sense that Fedora is positioning itself for
something bigger. The key, I believe, is the spin management
technology that was implemented in Fedora 7 and has now come to
maturity in Fedora 8."
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-November/msg00...
=== coffeedaze.com: Fedora/Linux for Noobs ===
RahulSundaram reports in fedora-marketing-list[1],
"While Fedora may not be the best starting point for someone with
minimal computer knowledge, it is one of the most cutting edge flavors
of Linux and has some amazing support"
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-November/msg00...
=== arstechnica.com: Fedora 8 sees strong adoption in first week ===
RahulSundaram reports in fedora-marketing-list[1],
"The latest version of Fedora—codenamed Werewolf—was released last
week. According to statistics released this morning by Red Hat, Fedora
8 has been already been installed over 54,000 times in only four
days."
[1] http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/11/12/fedora-8-sees-strong...
=== distrowatch.com: Distrowatch reviews Fedora 8 ===
RahulSundaram reports in fedora-marketing-list[1],
"Overall, I truly believe that Fedora 8 is by far the best Fedora
release to date (and I've tried every one of them). From the look and
feel of the system, to the out-of-the-box configuration during
installation, I couldn't be happier with a cutting edge release."
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-November/msg00...
=== softpedia.com: Installing Fedora 8 Werewolf ===
RahulSundaram reports in fedora-marketing-list[1],
"Fedora 8 (codename Werewolf) was released yesterday and it's the most
breathtaking version of the Fedora operating system. Not only does
this release bring an installable LiveCD for both i686 and x86_64
architectures, but it also comes with exclusive KDE and GNOME
LiveCDs."
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2007-November/msg00...
[[Anchor(Developments)]]
== Developments ==
In this section, we cover the problems/solutions, people/personalities, and
ups/downs of the endless discussions on Fedora Developments.
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Contributing Writer: OisinFeeley
=== As Review Request Queue Lengthens Tempers Shorten ===
NealBecker wondered[1] if he had done something wrong resulting in no
one responding to his package review request. MamoruTasaka asked[2]
for patience as there were about 270 unassigned review requests.
JasonTibbitts thought[3] that the number was closer to 830 due to
merge reviews and counselled "if the people who are submitting the
packages don't do some reviews themselves, or we don't magically
acquire several more review nuts then it's just going to be a long
wait for every package in the queue." ThorstenLeemhuis topped[4] this
with an estimate of 1108 open reviews and re-opened the discussion of
how the governance of the Fedora Project is working. He cited an
older email he had written which asserted that the levels of
disgruntlement due to bureaucracy was rising.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01059....
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01063....
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01107....
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01125....
ChristopherAillon agreed[5] with Thorsten, thanked him for his
well-written email and suggested a webapp which would automate the
testing of basic review tasks might ease some of the backlog. Thorsten
agreed[6] with Christopher that accumulating guidelines would lead to
a bogging down of the review process and suggested[6] that they be
split into essential base knowledge "this you must know" and written
reference material to provide "guidance in a specific area". Thorsten
was unsure if a webapp was necessary and noted packagers (perhaps
little-known) ability to do scratch builds in Koji (see also this same
FWN#110 "Buildserver Kernel Release (PPC64)" for JesseKeating's
suggested commandline to do this.) ToshioKuratomi took up[7]
Thorsten's suggestion to organize and split the review guidelines.
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01126....
[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01150....
[7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01158....
The numbers cited by Thorsten were questioned[8] by PatriceDumas, who
suggested that the processing of new packages was a more important
metric than the merged packages. Patrice was unhappy with the lagging
of wiki documentation and the lack of new sponsors. Thorsten
disagreed, suggesting that it would take until Fedora 12 at the
current rate to get the merged packages reviewed. He also
suggested[9] that experienced packagers should have direct CVS commit
access to enable them to quickly fix up obvious specfile errors
without having to go through the current process to clear such actions
with the package owners.
[8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01129....
[9] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01157....
HansdeGoede agreed[10] with Thorsten that in the pre-merge days he had
felt more control over what FESCo did and added that now "certain
groups within Fedora (*cough* release engineering *cough*) are
indepent islands, not that these groups are not doing great work, but
they don't seem controlled in any democratic way." He announced his
intention to join the Fedora Packaging Committee (FPC). JoshBoyer
asked whether he could identify and provide solutions to specific
problems and Hans replied[11] briefly and finished with a statement of
his belief that there was little point in such a discussion.
JesseKeating described[12] himself as feeling "blindsided" by this and
listed the places where changes had been discussed and required
ratification by voting. Hans reiterated some of what he had already
said and Thorsten provided[12] some specific links which contrasted
feedback received with actual changes in the wiki (and hence policy).
[10] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01130....
[11] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01145....
[12] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01155....
[13] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01165....
A detailed email from JesseKeating responded[14] to Thorsten
specifically with details of which bits of feedback had been
incorporated, responded more generally to what Jesse characterized as
"the crux of Hans' complaint [being] that there is [a] freeze at all"
and explained Jesse's motivation as trying to have a slow-down of
changes introduced to the release tree while still also providing
places for builds to be tested. Hans disagreed[15] and stated his
complaint as the absence of a fast, non-human way of getting packages
past the penultimate freeze. MatthiasClasen could not agree[16] with
Hans that the process was unwarranted, nor could Jesse, who further
argued[17] that a build is supposed to have been tested before it is
requested.
[14] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01174....
[15] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01176....
[16] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01187....
[17] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01193....
A response from RalfCorsepius to Thorsten about the role of the FPC
argued[18] that FPC had solved most of the problems apart from exotic
corner cases and had thus lost its importance. Ralf also listed the
use of ACLs and general policies as contributory causes to robbing FPC
of the ability to enforce its decisions on packagers, whom Ralf argued
were ignoring them. Thorsten responded[19] with an explanation of his
desire to do away with the current committee-bound lethargy and
replace it with a meritocracy in which anyone can announce plans and
implement them if there are no strenuous objections. He also
remembered some problems he had raised earlier on @fedora-packaging. A
detailed response from TomCallaway raised[20] the spectre of
revert-wars on an open wiki and noted that the documented process was
hardly ever followed to propose new guidelines.
[18] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01229....
[19] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01281....
[20] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01411....
TO BE CONTINUED...
=== NetworkManager Making Fedora 8 Hostile To Sysadmins ? ===
High blood pressure was experienced[1] by OlivierGalibert when he used
the Desktop LiveCD to attempt an install of Fedora 8 to a machine with
a static IP address. Olivier traced the problem back to Fedora Core 3
(providing a bugzilla entry to back this up) noting that
NetworkManager ignores interface settings entered into anaconda and
wipes out /etc/resolv.conf if DHCP is not used. To Olivier the
problems had deepened with Fedora 8 as it seemed harder to actually
remove NetworkManager.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01259....
One of the primary complaints raised by Olivier was addressed[2] by
BastienNocera when he contradicted Olivier's assertion that
''chkconfig'' could not be used to disable NetworkManager. Bastien
also thought that using the LiveCD to install servers was not its
intended use case. JefSpaleta followed[3] up on the latter point with
the information that the DVD image does not suffer from the problem of
static routes entered into anaconda ignored. Jef also reminded the
list that no one had argued that the use case of the LiveCD should be
designed differently during the test cycle. While Jef thought that it
was possibly a useful idea to produce an alternate LiveCD using the
legacy stack instead of NetworkManager he suggested that due to the
expected improvements in NetworkManager this point would be obviated
by the time of Fedora 9.
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01263....
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01318....
In a slight aside, the issue of the cyclic dependency of ''ldap'' and
''NetworkManager'' services upon each other dependencies was addressed
when KellyMiller described the problem and RalfEtzinger supplied a
useful ''ldap.conf'' stanza to ignore local users:
''nss_initgroups_ignoreusers root,ldap,named,avahi,haldaemon,dbus''.
ColinWalters agreed[4] that this should become the default option.
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01467....
LesMikesell had heard that it was no longer possible to do an NFS
install with the DVD iso image, but ToddZullinger confirmed[5] that it
still worked and added that if one wanted to download one single copy
and install several machines from the image then there were multiple
ways to accomplish the task using ''kickstart'', ''pxeboot'',
''cobbler'' and combinations of them.
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01300....
Another part of Olivier's list of problems was sorted out[6] by
JefSpaleta when he countered the suggestion that it was impossible to
turn NetworkManager off without removing its rpm. Jef described
himself as "sort of confused" by these statements and queried whether
Olivier could not simply query the status of NetworkManager using
''/sbin/service NetworkManager status'' and its default runlevels with
''/sbin/chkconfig --list NetworkManager''. He suggested simply
turning off NetworkManager using its initscript and turning on the
legacy network and suggested that using mac addressing with dhcp
worked well in large laboratory environments. Olivier's blood pressure
dropped a little when he realized[7] that he must have been mistaken
about it not being possible to turn off NetworkManager using the usual
tools. He reiterated the point that options set in the installer
should not be ignored and partially destroyed and suggested that at
the least a dialog box should inform sysadmin performing the install
that this was the case. JeremyKatz agreed[8] that "this sucks" and
explained that changes to make NetworkManager better in this regard
had not made it into Fedora 8 due to the need to freeze development
for translations.
[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01270....
[7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01291....
[8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01292....
Subsidiary interesting discussions during the thread mainly focused on
the use of dhcp servers to provide a central point of administration,
with contributions from AlexanderBoström[9], "Jima" and
NicolasMailhot[10] in favor and LesMikesell[11] and OlivierGalibert as
slight skeptics.
[9] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01374....
[10] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01305....
[11] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01299....
Another of Olivier's objections was explored when JohnPoelstra
concurred[12] that removal of NetworkManager should not also remove
several other packages as dependencies including ''pidgin'' and
''liferea''. JesseKeating responded[13] that this was because those
packages used NetworkManager-glib in order to be able to "do the right
thing" in response to network changes. ChristopherStone suggested[14]
splitting out this functionality into a sub-package and argued that
such splitting in general would make Fedora more useful as a base
distribution. BillNottingham thought[15] on the contrary that this was
a lot of work for a circa 100KB library dependency.
[12] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01275....
[13] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01277....
[14] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01283....
[15] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01290....
RichiPlana, DanWilliams and MatthiasClasen investigated[16] the
possibility of splittling ''libnm-util.so'' off into a sub-package so
that the aforementioned ''NetworkManager-glib'' could also be an
independent package.
[16] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01348....
=== Minimal Requires: Codename "Masochist" ===
A quest to discover the minimal packages to install for a user using a
chroot led PatriceDumas to ask[1] some searching questions about the
dependency chains for the mandatory minimal packages. When
JesseKeating asked why he did not just use the core comps group with
{{{yum --install-root=/path/to/chroot groupinstall 'Core'}}} Patrice
clarified[2] that this was possibly too large and he wanted a more
fine-grained ability to select the most minimal set of packages.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01076....
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01088....
TomCallaway proposed[3] that Patrice could carry out a test using a
chroot to determine the smallest set of packages that could provide a
working network, shell and text editor and suggested that this new
comps group could be codenamed "masochist". When JeremyKatz thought
that this description was exactly what the Core group in comps was
intended to be, TomCallaway suggested[4] that perhaps Patrice meant to
use "absurd replacements" such as ''tinylibc'', ''minit'' and
''nash'', but Patrice disavowed[5] this notion and honed[6] his
question down to whether a non-bootable, chrooted minimal install
would be a good idea.
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01090....
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01093....
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01095....
[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01098....
Later Patrice went[7] ahead with some tests and shared the information
that it seemed that a rather long list of packages were installed even
when he tried to pair things down.
[7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01182....
=== Gecko-libs Now Provided By Xulrunner-devel ===
An important change for applications which depend on ''gecko-libs''
was announced[1] by MartinStransky. The ''firefox-devel'' packages
will no longer exist and instead are replaced by ''xulrunner-devel''
which provides ''gecko-libs''. Martin explained that Firefox would
henceforth be shipped as a pure XUL application running on
Xulrunner[2]. Martin requested maintainers of packages which built
against gecko-libs or firefox-devel to test rebuilds against xulrunner
and to contact him or Chris.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01072....
[2] http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/XULRunner
One of the first to respond[3] was AlexLancaster who was trying to
rebuild Miro[4] (the excellent internet TV video player) and failing
due to ''gtkmozembed-xulrunner'' being missing. When Martin provided
an updated xulrunner package (1.9-0.alpha9.5.fc9) things appeared[5]
to progress a little further.
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01074....
[4] http://www.getmiro.com/
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01376....
Attempts to rebuild ''kazekhase'' by MamoruTasaka also failed[6],
apparently due to a required header being removed from upstream.
ChristopherAillon suggested using one of Mozilla's search tools to
find files associated used in their software.
[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01080....
The bigger picture was considered[7] by DennisJacobfeuerborn when he
asked whether the separation of Firefox from Xulrunner would see the
Fedora Project moving in an opposite direction to upstream Mozilla.
Dennis wondered whether an eventual fork would be necessary and
included a link[8] to a blog entry from BenjaminSmedbergs which
discussed the problems of the shared Gecko Runtime Environment[9] on
Microsoft Windows(TM). ChristopherAillon pointed out that the very
link which Dennis supplied contained a point which confirmed that
GNU/Linux distributions would be shipping Firefox3 as a XULRunner
application. JefSpaleta added[10] that he was confident that the
Fedora Project had a good roadmap for Firefox, but that he was more
concerned with all the other applications depending on gecko-lib. He
hoped that their maintainers were taking active steps to ensure that
the transition to XULRunner had been adequately communicated to their
various upstreams so that the maintainers themselves did not have to
patch like crazy. ChristopherAillon was sanguine[11] that most would
be using ''gtkmozembed'' and thus not be affected by the ''xulrunner''
changes.
[7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01138....
[8] http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2007-05-15/xulrunner-what-we-are-doing/
[9] Benjamin's blog explains that the GRE per se never really shipped
on GNU/Linux and that it was essentially a precursor of XULRunner
http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2005-10-31/using-the-gre/
[10] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01230....
[11] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01243....
=== Autoloading Of Kmods In Udev Area ===
The splitting out of various I2C[1] tools from the ''lm_sensors''
package led HansdeGoede to observe[2] that the OpenSUSE specfile, upon
which he was basing his work, was creating character devices on the
fly. Hans was also adding an alias into ''/etc/modprobe.conf.dist''
which caused the i2c-dev kernel module to be automagically loaded. He
wondered if this was the correct approach to the problem and asked if
someone could explain how ''loop.ko'' worked as it solved the same
problem.
[1] http://www.esacademy.com/faq/i2c/
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01027....
BillNottingham answered[3] that the ''udev'' rule
''/etc/udev/makedev.d/50-udev.nodes'' created the loop device and
requested further details of the modules behind the i2c device.
MattDomsch linked[4] to the kernel list to show that his work on
DMI-based module autoloading might make it possible to do something
similar to what he had done for the ''dcdbas'' module.
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01029....
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01031....
After further discussion between Hans and Bill which centered around
the question of which approach would be fastest and use less memory
Hans decided[5] to go with the approach of using a device node and
kmod. He also noted that the loop module seemed to be autoloaded and
promised[6] to file a bugzilla entry.
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01036....
[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01041....
=== /tftpboot Versus /var/tftp Or Somewhere Else ===
ChuckAnderson requested[1] that the current location of the TFTP
"root" be changed from ''/tftpboot'' for a variety of reasons. He
requested that at the very least SELinux policy be changed to allow
''/var/tftp'' as an alternate location. An especially strong objection
made by him was that the root of the filesystem on many servers would
be set as read-only.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00937....
A response from DennisGilmore argued[2] among other things that the
majority use case was to net boot machines and that this was read-only
and commonly recognizable as a default. Dennis thought that someone
smart enough to undertake one of Chuck's other listed use cases
involving writing log data or crash dumps was probably competent to
change the default location too. JonMasters agreed with Dennis and
when Chuck appeared to discount his experience responded[3] by
emphasizing that he had built embedded devices for a living.
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00938....
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01220....
After PatriceDumas cited the FHS WarrenTogami suggested[4] copying
Edubuntu's use of ''/var/lib/ftp'' and changing the SELinux policy to
allow the use of both the current legacy setting and this new one.
MichaelStahnke suggested using ''/srv'' but LubomirKundrak
remembered[6] an earlier thread (see FWN#103 "RFC: /var Or /srv"[7])
which he summed up as concluding "to not let anything in distro touch
/srv, it's meant to be used only by user for his custom services."
RichiPlana also suggested using ''/srv'' to which AlanCox responded[8]
"/srv is not available to distribution vendors" and advocated sticking
to the thirty year old tradition of using ''/tftpboot''.
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00945....
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01066....
[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01066....
[7] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue103#head-c1a0d4ef312061b439df55ebe...
[8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00986....
JesseKeating was skeptical about Alan's argument that the tradition
was something which should be adhered to and pointed out that to be
consistent would have meant keeping executables in ''/etc'', similar
to Solaris. Alan defended his position on the grounds that there were
advantages to making that change, but none had been advanced for
breaking tftpboot. RichiPlana came back[9] with a list of advantages
mostly clustered around a simple, logical organization.
[9] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00995....
After StephenSmoogen inquired what the proper RFC procedure would be
for making such changes to the FHS there was a brief kerfuffle when
JonathanMasters misunderstood[10] Stephen to be announcing his
intention to create a ''/srv/fedora'' directory to make everything
Fedora-specific.
[10] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01221....
=== Buildserver Kernel Release (PPC64) ===
A failed attempt to build ''eclipse-subclipse'' for ppc64 led
RobertMarcano to ask[1] whether the buildservers were running the
latest Fedora 8 kernel. ToshioKuratomi responded[2] that they were in
fact running Fedora Core 6 and were scheduled to be upgraded to RHEL5
in three weeks time.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00820....
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00847....
DennisGilmore informed Robert that a kernel update had been built by
DavidWoodhouse which should fix the bug which Robert had referenced.
Unfortunately Robert replied[3] that he now got an error on x86_64.
JesseKeating suggested[4] doing a scratch build using ''koji build
--scratch dist-f9 --arch-override ppc64 foo.src.rpm'' When Robert had
to report that while this new trick worked the error was the same on
ppc64 Jesse wondered[5] if the problem was that the opening of GUI was
being attempted on the builder machine which lacks Xorg. Unfortunately
this did not appear[6] to be the problem.
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01265....
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01267....
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01280....
[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01289....
=== Extension Buddy For Fedora 9 ? ===
"MarkG85" kicked off[1] the discussion of an "Extension Buddy" which
would be somewhat analogous to CodecBuddy in that it would sort out
whether a file could be played by some application based on its
extension, or could suggest a possible application which could do so.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00774....
RalfErtzinger suggested that a bugzilla entry should be opened for the
specific example given of "Audacious" failing to handle files with the
''.m3u'' extension. "MarkG85" was not pleased with this, but
DavidTimms agreed with Ralf that filing such bugs is the best way to
ensure progress and improvement. David also outlined[2] a detailed
workflow or use case in order to understand the problem better. An
alternate vision was detailed[3] by RichiPlana.
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00794....
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01023....
The existing ''/etc/mime.types'' and ''/etc/mailcap'' were
suggested[4] as a useful base by BrunoWolff.
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00877....
BastienNocera liked the idea and redirected[5] attention to an earlier
discussion on @fedora-desktop which had considered the same problem.
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00983....
=== PulseAudio CPU Usage ===
Although he was enjoying PulseAudio questions about its CPU usage were
posed[1] by AhmedKamal. Ahmed was also disturbed that it appeared in
the process list with the name "exe"!
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01442....
A quick response[2] from LennartPoettering (the main developer of
PulseAudio) informed that the "exe" naming issue had been fixed and
pointed the finger of blame at Macromedia Flash for not closing
playback streams until the browser window is closed. Ahmed's
experiments in closing the browser confirmed that CPU usage by
PulseAudio dropped[3] to 0%, but that starting up any other sound
application saw it climb again due to the sampling issues outlined in
Lennart's post. Lennart followed up with the suggestion that Ahmed
could use ''pacmd'' followed by ''list-sinks'' to confirm that his
card was fixed to 48KHz and that resampling would have to be done by
either PulseAudio or whichever applications he was using, so it may as
well be by PulseAudio.
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01449....
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01452....
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01466....
In response to CallumLerwick some further details about the "Speex"
resampler were posted[5] by Lennart.
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01480....
=== Old Libtool Problems Reported By Check-rpaths ===
JohnDennis found[1] that one of his packages failed to build on x86_64
because the ''check-rpaths'' script complained that there was an RPATH
in the .so of a loadable module produced by the package.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01350....
A suggestion[2] from RayStrode that the package might include a buggy,
older version of ''libtool'' was confirmed[3] by HansdeGoede.
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01356....
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01369....
[[Anchor(Artwork)]]
== Artwork ==
In this section, we cover Fedora Artwork Project.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork
Contributing Writer: TimothyRoberts
=== Naming of Fedora 9? ===
Now that Fedora 8 "Werewolf" has finally been released into the wild,
the gauntlet has been thrown. What shall we name the next Fedora
release? JakubRusinek has started this lengthy debate on
fedora-arts-list[1], with numerous people throwing in their two cents.
What are you waiting for? Send in your own idea. It could become the
next big thing.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00073.html
=== Fedora 9 Theming? ===
MichaelBeckwith has brought to our attention that Fedora 9 theme ideas
need to start rolling in[1]. He emphasis ideas that revolve around the
idea of "Freedom". So let your creative side come forth and spawn
something truly beautiful for the next release.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00106.html
=== Rounded Corners Patch for Nodoka ===
CharlesBrej has released[1] a patch to the Nodoka GTK theme, slightly
altering it to change any square corners to rounded ones. A small
change, but well appreciated by many people. This patch can be found
here[2].
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00093.html
[2] http://www.mediafire.com/?1nybuai1d5c
=== Spring and Autumn On Your Desktop ===
StevenGarrity has proposed a new idea for the Fedora Desktop: Seasonal
theming[1]. The beauty of spring and autumn manifested into pixels,
wouldn't that be a sight to behold? He states that we could, 'adopt a
"spring' visual theme for the odd-numbered releases that fall in the
spring, and a 'fall' visual theme for the even-numbered releases that
fall in the, well, fall." What are you waiting for? Go outside and get
inspired before the fall(Or spring, if you're in the southern
hemisphere) ends, and winter(Or summer) sets in.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00099.html
=== Infinity 24 for KDE ===
LaithJuwaidah has released[1] a small script to the community, that
changes the wallpaper on a KDE desktop every hour, to different
versions of the "Infinity" wallpaper. The script utilizes KDE's
advanced desktop options, so all you GNOME users seem to be out of
luck for the moment. The script can be found here[2].
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00122.html
[2] http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Infinity/KDE/Wallpaper
[[Anchor(SecurityWeek)]]
== Security Week ==
In this section, we highlight the security stories from the week in Fedora.
Contributing Writer: JoshBressers
=== Samba ===
Last week saw the release of a new version of Samba, with two security fixes:
http://samba.org/samba/security/CVE-2007-4572.html
http://samba.org/samba/security/CVE-2007-5398.html
Both of these issues sound pretty bad, but only CVE-2007-5398 is truly
scary. CVE-2007-4572 initially looked rather bad, but after a
thorough analysis it was determined that under normal use the flaw
shouldn't even crash the Samba server. A detailed analysis of this
flaw can be found here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=294631#c3
=== AppArmor's Security Goals ===
I'm no fan of AppArmor, but aside from that there is a most
interesting read regarding it on Kernel Trap. Those of you interested
in such a thing might find it useful:
http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/AppArmors_Security_Goals
=== Hushmail not so hush ===
It seems that Hushmail is willing to share the PGP keys of its clients
with law enforcement:
http://www.itnews.com.au/News/65213,hushmail-turns-out-to-be-anything-but...
While this probably isn't terribly surprising (most companies are
willing to work with law enforcement). It is an opportunity to point
out that unless you have complete control over your encryption key,
you should assume that someone else has it. This includes things like
storing keys on NFS home directories or using public computers with
your private key. Keeping a private key protected properly is very
difficult, and everyone has to compromise perfect security for reality
at some point. It should be completely obvious though, that trusting
someone else, especially a corporation, with your private key is most
unwise.
[[Anchor(AdvisoriesUpdates)]]
== Advisories and Updates ==
In this section, we cover Security Advisories and Package Updates from
fedora-package-announce.
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-package-announce
Contributing Writer: ThomasChung
=== Fedora 8 Security Advisories ===
* openvrml-0.16.6-8.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* perl-5.8.8-31.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* link-grammar-4.2.5-1.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* tomboy-0.8.1-3.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* chmsee-1.0.0-1.26.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* php-pear-MDB2-Driver-mysqli-1.4.1-3.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* php-pear-MDB2-Driver-mysql-1.4.1-3.fc8.1 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* php-pear-MDB2-2.4.1-2.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* thunderbird-2.0.0.9-1.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* samba-3.0.27-0.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* emacs-22.1-8.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* tomcat5-5.5.25-1jpp.1.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
=== Fedora 7 Security Advisories ===
* kdegraphics-3.5.8-7.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kde-i18n-3.5.8-1.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdeutils-3.5.8-2.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdebindings-3.5.8-1.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdewebdev-3.5.8-3.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdenetwork-3.5.8-6.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdeadmin-3.5.8-1.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdegames-3.5.8-3.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdeaccessibility-3.5.8-2.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdelibs-3.5.8-7.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdepim-3.5.8-5.svn20071013.ent.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdetoys-3.5.8-1.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdevelop-3.5.0-4.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdeartwork-3.5.8-1.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdesdk-3.5.8-2.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdeedu-3.5.8-2.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdemultimedia-3.5.8-8.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdeaddons-3.5.8-2.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdebase-3.5.8-3.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* arts-1.5.8-4.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* perl-5.8.8-26.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* openvrml-0.16.6-6.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* link-grammar-4.2.5-1.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* php-pear-MDB2-Driver-mysql-1.4.1-3.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* php-pear-MDB2-Driver-mysqli-1.4.1-3.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* php-pear-MDB2-2.4.1-2.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* samba-3.0.27-0.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* thunderbird-2.0.0.9-1.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* emacs-22.1-5.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* tomcat5-5.5.25-1jpp.1.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
=== Fedora Core 6 Security Advisories ===
* mono-1.1.17.1-5.fc6 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* cups-1.2.12-6.fc6 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* openldap-2.3.30-3.fc6 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
[[Anchor(EventsMeetings)]]
== Events and Meetings ==
In this section, we cover event reports and meeting summaries from
various projects.
Contributing Writer: ThomasChung
=== Fedora Board Meeting Minutes 2007-MM-DD ===
* No Report
=== Fedora Ambassadors Meeting 2007-MM-DD ===
* No Report
=== Fedora Documentation Steering Committee (Log) 2007-MM-DD ===
* No Report
=== Fedora Engineering Steering Committee Meeting 2007-11-15 ===
* https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01517....
=== Fedora Infrastructure Meeting (Log) 2007-11-15 ===
* https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-November/...
=== Fedora Localization Meeting 2007-MM-DD ===
* No Report
=== Fedora Marketing Meeting 2007-MM-DD ===
* No Report
=== Fedora Packaging Committee Meeting 2007-MM-DD ===
* No Report
=== Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting 2007-11-14 ===
* https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2007-November/msg00784.html
=== Fedora Release Engineering Meeting 2007-11-12 ===
* https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00954....
=== Fedora SIG EPEL Meeting Week 45 ===
* https://www.redhat.com/archives/epel-devel-list/2007-November/msg00059.html
=== Fedora SIG KDE Meeting Week 46 ===
* https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg01042....
=== Fedora SIG Store Meeting 2007-11-14 ===
* http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/Meetings/2007-11-14
--
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung
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trans and infra beats
by Jason
Pretty quiet week on both fronts, nothing to report beat wise.
-Jason
16 years, 5 months
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@fedora-devel beat ready
by Oisin Feeley
Hi all,
The FWN Development Beat is ready for editing here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats/Developments#preview
A couple of points to consider this issue:
1. The first topic I cut short due to the extremely lengthy nature of
the discussion and my tiredness. I'll pick up where I left off next
week if that's acceptable to everyone. Otherwise anyone should please
feel free to jump in and edit and add (as always applies!).
2. In the story "Minimal Requires: Codename "Masochist"" I used
pre-formatted text (three curly braces) in order to have JesseKeating's
suggested commandline appear in italics and also include single-quotes.
I initially tried to use emphasized text around this commandline, but
could not figure out how to escape the single-quotes. Any suggestions?
Have a good weekend,
Oisin Feeley
16 years, 5 months
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Off shore Respins of F8
by Leslie S Satenstein
Since F8 is put together in the USA, Red Hat is legally obligated to not include licensed "multi-media codecs".
However, in some jurisdictions, this illegality disappears. Therefore, if some enterprising individules living in one of those jurisdictions could make two respins based on the Nov 8th release DVDs, we in North America would be most appreciative. (One DVD for 32bit, the other for 64bit).
UBUNTU, being produced in Africa, is a distribution using the supposedly illegal respins. UBUNTU asks if you wish to break the law of your country by installing those codecs for you, and does so, assuming you reply yes to the question.
Precedence has been set. Go for it Fedora.
Leslie
16 years, 5 months
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New Header for FWN
by Thomas Chung
Thanks to Nicu Buculei with Fedora Art Team, we now have very nice
Header for our Fedora Weekly News!
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/
Cheers!
--
Thomas Chung
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung
16 years, 5 months
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-infra and -trans beats
by Jason
So apparently my email didn't go through as I got a bounce/delayed
notice. There wasn't anything reportable for the week but just so you
know I didn't forget :D Have a good week everyone!
-Jason
16 years, 5 months
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Fedora Weekly News Issue 109
by Thomas Chung
= Fedora Weekly News Issue 109 =
Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 109 for the week of November 5th.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue109
In Announcements, we have "Announcing the release of Fedora 8
(Werewolf)", "Fedora Unity releases Fedora 8 CD Sets", "rpm.livna.org
repositories for Fedora 8 (Werewolf) now available", "ATrpms for
Fedora 8; EOL for Fedora Core 6" and "Unofficial Fedora FAQ Updated
for Fedora 8!"
In Planet Fedora, we have "Lesser-Known Fedora Contributors", "Part
1-6, Report: LTSP Hackfest 2007", "motd-File for your machine",
"Fedora Electronic Lab 8 - Stable release", "Fedora Unity Spin
Report", "Fedora 8 Games Spin - Feedback Requested", "Fedora Media
Labels Howto", and "I am a Broken Record"
To join or give us your feedback, please visit
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join.
1. Announcements
1. Announcing the release of Fedora 8 (Werewolf)
2. Fedora Unity releases Fedora 8 CD Sets
3. rpm.livna.org repositories for Fedora 8 (Werewolf) now available
4. ATrpms for Fedora 8; EOL for Fedora Core 6
5. Unofficial Fedora FAQ Updated for Fedora 8!
2. Ask Fedora
1. KDE 4
3. Planet Fedora
1. Lesser-Known Fedora Contributors, Part 1-6
2. Report: LTSP Hackfest 2007
3. motd-File for your machine
4. Fedora Electronic Lab 8 - Stable release
5. Fedora Unity Spin Report
6. Fedora 8 Games Spin - Feedback Requested
7. Fedora Media Labels Howto
8. I am a Broken Record
4. Developments
1. Codec Buddy Misleading?
2. Java Plugin Not Working In Fedora 8
3. Deltarpms For Fedora 7 To Fedora 8 Upgrade
4. OpenID Support In Fedora 9?
5. When Will CVS Be Replaced By A Modern SCM?
6. Smolt And Software Information
7. Bogus Permissions
8. Rpmbuild: Unset CFLAGS?
9. Fedora 9 Brainstorming
10. Services Should Not Start By Default
5. Advisory Board
1. Fedora Legal Updates
2. Improving The Fedora Development Process
6. Documentation
1. Wiki Collaboration
2. What Writing Tools Do You Use?
3. Fedora Documentation Steering Committee (FDSCo) Meeting
4. Administration Guide Work
5. The KDE-SIG needs (your) help
6. POT/PO Update for Release Notes
7. Artwork
1. Nodoka Window Decorations for KDE
2. Arts in Brazil
3. CD Box Draft
4. Hardcoded Icons
5. Fedora 8 Features in PDF
8. Security Week
1. Fedora 8 released
2. pcre
9. Advisories and Updates
1. Fedora 8 Security Advisories
2. Fedora 7 Security Advisories
3. Fedora Core 6 Security Advisories
10. Events and Meetings
1. Fedora Board Meeting Minutes 2007-MM-DD
2. Fedora Ambassadors Meeting 2007-MM-DD
3. Fedora Documentation Steering Committee (Log) 2007-MM-DD
4. Fedora Engineering Steering Committee Meeting 2007-MM-DD
5. Fedora Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux Report Week 44
6. Fedora Infrastructure Meeting (Log) 2007-11-08
7. Fedora Localization Meeting 2007-MM-DD
8. Fedora Marketing Meeting 2007-MM-DD
9. Fedora Packaging Committee Meeting 2007-MM-DD
10. Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting 2007-11-07
11. Fedora Release Engineering Meeting 2007-11-05
12. Fedora SIG KDE Meeting 2007-11-06
[[Anchor(Announcements)]]
== Announcements ==
In this section, we cover announcements from Fedora Project.
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Contributing Writer: ThomasChung
=== Announcing the release of Fedora 8 (Werewolf) ===
JesseKeating announces in fedora-announce-list[1],
"(To the tune of Michael Jackson's "Thriller") It's close to midnight
and something cool is coming through the "tubes"
It's looking real tight, a distro for the experts and the n00bs
With Live CDs* so you can try it out before installing
Or DVDs so you can have the packages you choose
No way to lose"
"'Cause it's Fedora, Fedora 8
We'd love to have you join us and together we'll be great
Using Fedora, Fedora 8
Just click the link and rescue your computer's future today"
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-November/msg000...
=== Fedora Unity releases Fedora 8 CD Sets ===
JeroenVanMeeuwen announces in fedora-announce-list[1],
"The Fedora Unity Project is proud to announce the release of new CD
Spins of Fedora 8. These CD ISOs are based on the Fedora 8 DVD.iso.
The ISO images are available for i386 and x86_64 architectures via
jigdo starting Thursday, November 8th, 2007. We have included CD Image
sets for those in the Fedora community that do not have DVD drives or
burners available."
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-November/msg000...
=== rpm.livna.org repositories for Fedora 8 (Werewolf) now available ===
ThorstenLeemhuis announces in fedora-announce-list[1],
"On behalf of the Livna ( http://rpm.livna.org ) contributers I'd like to
announce the availability of the Livna package repository for Fedora 8
(Werewolf). The Livna repository hosts software as RPM packages which
cannot be shipped in the official Fedora repository for various reasons
and supports the i386, x86_64 and ppc architectures."
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-November/msg000...
=== ATrpms for Fedora 8; EOL for Fedora Core 6 ===
AxelThimm announces in fedora-announce-list[1],
"ATrpms is officially launching Fedora 8 support for i386, x86_64 and
ppc. http://ATrpms.net/dist/f8/"
"FC6 support will be EOL'd once the Fedora Project drops support for
it (e.g. on December 7, 2007)."
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-November/msg000...
=== Unofficial Fedora FAQ Updated for Fedora 8! ===
MaxKanatAlexander announces in fedora-announce-list[1],
"Hello! Right along with the release of Fedora 8, we're ready with the
Fedora 8 version of the Unofficial Fedora FAQ!
http://www.fedorafaq.org/"
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-November/msg000...
[[Anchor(AskFedora)]]
== Ask Fedora ==
In this section, we answer general questions from Fedora community.
Send your questions to askfedora AT fedoraproject.org and Fedora News
Team will bring you answers from the Fedora Developers and
Contributors to selected number of questions every week as part of our
weekly news report. Please indicate if you do not wish your name
and/or email address to be published.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AskFedora
Contributing Writer: RexDieter
=== KDE 4 ===
"Robert Myers <mystinar AT comcast.net>: When KDE 4 is released next
month, will packages for it be added to the Fedora 8 repositories?"
Robert, here's the cliff's notes answer:
KDE4 development platform is already in Fedora 8. For details:
* http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Devel/KDE4DevelopmentPlatform
* http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Desktop
When KDE 4.0 is released, we are strongly considering including KDE4
editions of kdeedu, kdegames as well, but the final decision hasn't
been made.
The rest of KDE4 is Fedora 9 territory:
* http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureKDE4
which is currently a bit out of date, but we'll be working on that
once Fedora 8 is out the door.
[[Anchor(PlanetFedora)]]
== Planet Fedora ==
In this section, we cover a highlight of Planet Fedora - an
aggregation of blogs from world wide Fedora contributors.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet
Contributing Writers: ThomasChung
=== Lesser-Known Fedora Contributors, Part 1-6 ===
MaxSpevack points out in his blog[1-6],
"I must say, I have always been very impressed with our Brazilian
Fedora community. They have created their own website, and they have
always been very good about getting a lot of value out of the
relatively small amount of money that we are able to send their way.
In particular, I would like to thank RodrigoPadula and DavidBarzilay."
"Most of Jon's (JonathanRoberts).contributions come as a writer -- he
is particularly active in the Fedora News and the Fedora Documentation
communities. In the Fedora 8 cycle, he has done a few things that have
been tremendously helpful to me directly. The first is his work on the
Fedora 8 Release Summary. The release summary is basically the Fedora
community's "press release", written by a group of volunteers and
meant to be a reasonably brief overview of "what is cool in the new
distribution".
"Ricky (RickyZhou) has had a lot to do with the entire look-and feel
of the non-wiki section of fedoraproject.org. Right now, I hear, he is
debugging the way fedoraproject.org renders when viewed with Internet
Explorer 6, which actually tells you pretty much everything you need
to know about his desire to see a Job Done Well."
"Allison Mc``Grath (wife of MikeMcGrath) has made a tremendous
contribution to the Fedora Project by being kind-hearted and
understanding to her husband of less than one week when the Fedora 8
release fell directly in between their wedding and their honeymoon."
"In the Fedora 8 timeframe, Chitlesh (ChitleshGoorah) is the man
behind the Fedora Electronics Lab, one of the new custom spins that is
being released with Fedora 8. Not only did he have the initial vision
for the Fedora Electronics Lab, but he also maintains many of the
packages that differentiate that spin from the more generic version of
Fedora."
"Gerold (GeroldKassube) has been the organizer for Fedora's presence
at LinuxTag in 2006, 2007, and 2008. It is probably the biggest Linux
show in Europe. Even more important, from a community point of view,
Gerold has organized a series of Fedora Ambassador Days, which have
gathered together 10-15 folks from all over Europe, and planned out
their Fedora Ambassador strategy for the coming year."
[1] http://spevack.livejournal.com/33893.html
[2] http://spevack.livejournal.com/34215.html
[3] http://spevack.livejournal.com/34370.html
[4] http://spevack.livejournal.com/34700.html
[5] http://spevack.livejournal.com/35162.html
[6] http://spevack.livejournal.com/35470.html
=== Report: LTSP Hackfest 2007 ===
WarrenTogami points out in his blog[1],
"LTSP is Linux Terminal Server Project, a collection of tools and
scripts to enable Linux desktops to networks of thin clients. Through
K12LTSP, literally thousands of schools and hundreds of thousands of
students worldwide have been exposed to Red Hat and Fedora Linux over
the past 6+ years. This report is on my trip to the latest LTSP
hackfest, where I am working toward integration of LTSP directly into
the Fedora Project."
[1] http://wtogami.livejournal.com/20047.html
=== motd-File for your machine ===
FabianAffolter points out in his blog[1],
"After the establishing of a connection to a machine over ssh there is
the possibility to display a message. sshd is looking in the file
named /etc/motd for the data. The limitations are that there should
not be more than 80 digits a line."
[1] http://fabaff.blogspot.com/2007/11/motd-file-for-your-machine.html
=== Fedora Electronic Lab 8 - Stable release ===
ChitleshGoorah points out his blog[1],
"Last Thursday, 8th November 2007, the very first Fedora Electronic
Lab LiveCD was released officially. This LiveCD is based on Fedora 8
KDE along with almost all electronic design tools."
[1] http://clunixchit.blogspot.com/2007/11/fedora-electronic-lab-8-stable-rel...
=== Fedora Unity Spin Report ===
JeroenVanMeeuwen points out in his blog[1],
"Our Fedora 8 CD Set jigdo has been downloaded over 350 times, while
our latest Re-Spin has been downloaded almost 300 times."
[1] http://kanarip.blogspot.com/2007/11/fedora-unity-spin-report.html
=== Fedora 8 Games Spin - Feedback Requested ===
RahulSundaram points out in his blog[1],
"One of the custom spins of Fedora that didn't get much attention
because of the late addition is the Fedora 8 Games spin. This custom
version of Fedora 8 from the games special interest group in Fedora
includes tons of free and open source Linux games in a installable
Live DVD. Download it and check it out. More information is available
at the game spin wiki page. Any feedback is most welcome."
[1] http://rahulsundaram.livejournal.com/17475.html
=== Fedora Media Labels Howto ===
MairinDuffy points out in her blog[1],
"so it seems some folks had some trouble with the labels I posted
before - it's not easy to work with the SVGs without some Inkscape
knowledge since the way I did them they aren't perfectly sized (there
is some padding around them.)"
[1] http://mihmo.livejournal.com/49341.html
=== I am a Broken Record ===
JefSpaleta pionts out in his blog[1]
"Most people would consider the outage a big problem, but it sort of
provided an interesting 'event' in the life of my f8 release
animation. See while the outage was happening and the infrastructure
team was shuffling around resources, so people didn't notice the
disruption for too long, the logs I rely on to track f8 clients were
seeing dead air. You can see exactly when the outage occurs in the
theora video and exactly when the normal mirrorlist logging
functionality is restored."
[1] http://jspaleta.livejournal.com/15512.html
[[Anchor(Developments)]]
== Developments ==
In this section, we cover the problems/solutions, people/personalities, and
ups/downs of the endless discussions on Fedora Developments.
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Contributing Writer: OisinFeeley
=== Codec Buddy Misleading? ===
An EU-based user (MarkG85) of Fedora 8 wondered[1] why CodecBuddy[2]
was prompting him to pay to download codecs which he judged to be
legally obtainable without payment within his legal jurisdiction. His
suggestion was that GeoIP[3] functionality should be integrated with
CodecBuddy in order to customize the prompts so that EU users were not
misled into paying. MarkG85 also suggested that Red Hat should provide
an EU-located server in order to circumvent the legal problems.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00536....
[2] See JonathanRoberts' interview with BastienNocera and
ThomasVanderStichele for an overview of the functionality provided by
CodecBuddy and some of the background to its inclusion in Fedora 8
including Fluendo's granting of a free (beer) mp3 codec.
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geolocation_software
As the topic of the provision of legally dubious software (especially
codecs for popular media types) has been discussed extensively and
repeatedly in the past on several Fedora maillists and in more public
forums there was a distinct lack of enthusiasm expressed by several
people. MichaelWiktowy got straight to the point when he
suggested[3a] that a search of @fedora-devel's archives and the use of
''rpm -Uvh http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-8.rpm'' would solve any
problems.
[3a] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00537....
The recent advice from Red Hat's legal counsel was alluded to by Mark
and JeffSpaleta followed up[4] with an explanation that any
distributed material could not contain even links to such software,
but that the Fedora Project's web pages could. Jef suggested that it
would be ideal if users of third-party repositories were willing to
help upstream ''codeina''[5] development implement hooks to additional
"vendors" (presumably including non-commercial repositories in
locations not affected by bizarre "intellectual property" rules).
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00538....
[5] Codeina is a synonym for CodecBuddy, see:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia/Codeina
A certain amount of questioning about why things have to be done this
way led to further suggestions[6] that anyone still interested should
search the archives ("contributory infringement" being a useful phrase
in this regard). "MarkG85" and others explored some hypothetical
situations including wondering[7] why SourceForge is able to host
''gstreamer-plugins-bad'' but in the end these all rested on an
imperfect understanding of US and EU law. AlanCox answered[8] the
latter specific question with the information that US law (presumably
Section 230 of the CDA[9]) provided protection to those merely hosting
content. DavidNielsen summed things up well when he asked[10] in
exasperation "Do you think we enjoy keeping media support from our
users when we have perfectly good implementations available under OSI
approved licenses? If there was a legal way to make this work, we
would be doing it."
[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00540....
[7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00654....
[8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00660....
[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Decency_Act#Section_230
[10] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00621....
As an interesting aside RahulSundaram provided[11] a link to a map
depicting the geographical concentrations of contributors to Fedora's
CVS repositories. Rahul added that from a legal perspective this was
irrelevant as Red Hat is based in the USA and takes on the liability
for the Fedora Project. KevinKofler and Rahul discussed[12] the
possibility of a non-US-based "Fedora Foundation".
[11] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00646....
[12] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00649....
=== Java Plugin Not Working In Fedora 8 ===
The problem of getting the Java plugin working properly with Firefox
cropped up again (see FWN#108 "IcedTea Plugin On x86_64"[1]) when
ValentTurkovic posted[2] that despite having used ''yum install
java-plugin'' Firefox still did not appear to work on a test site.
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue108#head-b6b24cabe831968ccc3a97297...
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00559....
There were several helpful responses, including one from HansdeGoede
who repeated[3] the advice offered by BillNottingham in the
previous[1] thread to run ''mozilla-plugin-config -i -f'' as root in
order to set up ''nspluginwrapper'' to search the correct paths for
plugins. Hans added that this should be document and fixed and
MartinStransky reported[4] the happy news that the latest build (at
that stage[5] 0.9.91.5) fixed this problem.
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00583....
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00586....
[5] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=21875
MikeHarris (ex-Red Hat XFree86 maintainer) popped in to report that he
was having no Java problems requiring manual intervention on an x86_64
installation of Fedora 8 although he had noticed that many other
people had. He surmised[6] that problems were due to upgrading from a
previous version (as opposed to a fresh install of the OS) or else the
presence of a Sun/IBM/Other Java installation.
[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00567....
Valent replied that this was a fresh Fedora 8 LiveCD and after Hans
repeated his advice Valent reported[7] that everything was now fine
but wondered why it was not all "automagic". BillNottingham posted[8]
that an update would be forthcoming to make it so.
[7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00585....
[8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00597....
=== Deltarpms For Fedora 7 To Fedora 8 Upgrade ===
The availability of deltarpms (see FWN#97 "Presto-digitation"[1]) to
ease upgrading from Fedora 7 to Fedora 8 using yum was advertised[2]
by JonathanDieter. JonathanUnderwood hoped that they would be for
both x86_64 and i386 architectures, but JonathanDieter had to
regretfully say[3] that they x86_64 deltarpms would not be ready for
some days (probably by Sunday 11th Nov).
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue97#head-e50aaa8581b2a6606447223a39...
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00462....
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00468....
A little later JonathanDieter advised that the Fedora 7 to Fedora 8
deltarpms would take a little more time to prepare, but that he had
good news in the form of deltarpms for Fedora 8 updates. He also drew
attention to a small change, which was that ''deltaurl='' should no
longer be used and instead
''baseurl=http://lesloueizeh.com/f8/i386/updates'' should be inserted
into ''etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo''. This change is due[5]
to a desire to reduce the code complexity and result in Jonathan
hosting the repository until the Fedora Project is able to change Koji
and Bodhi to build and publish the deltarpms. This work is apparently
under way[6][7].
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00500....
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00545....
[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00547....
[7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00497....
On Friday Jonathan announced[8] that the deltarpms for upgrades from
Fedora 7 to Fedora 8 were ready (a little quicker than he promised!).
He provided a link to the YumUpgradeFaq and repeated the caution that
it was necessary to edit ''/etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo'' as described
above. He provided a very compelling 84% bandwidth reduction example
for a whole repository upgrade.
[8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00544....
=== OpenID Support In Fedora 9? ===
An interesting discussion ensued when NealBecker posted[1] a link to
an article on LWN which discussed the advances made in the 2.0 release
of the OpenID implementation of a "Single Sign On" (SSO) system. Neal
asked whether it could be integrated into Fedora 9.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00427....
RichiPlana was interested and thought[2] it could work well with the
GNOME Online desktop, but wondered how UIDs could be mapped to
OpenIDs. He sought advice on which libraries he should use for PKI,
string processing and networking in order to implement a PAM module
for Fedora.
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00471....
A cooler assessment came from SimoSorce who listed[3] the problem of
UIDs in networked environments, emphasizing their local,
non-network-aware nature. Simo suggested two possible solutions: one,
making UIDs 128bit (effectively transforming them into UUIDs); or 2)
make UIDs local only by a mapping facility in vfs which can translate
each UID across networks. Simo had hard words to say about NIS and
LDAP, characterizing their syncing of UIDs as "just *bad* hacks."
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00478....
Although these problems were recognized by ColinWalters he
suggested[4] the third option of using situation-specific logic and
not trying to generalize the problem and solve it for all possible
cases. AlanCox re-framed[5] the discussion in terms of the usefulness
of LDAP or NIS being able to locally answer the "who owns this?" as
opposed to the "can I ...?" questions. He suggested that the problems
of remote filesystems being attached to local systems had been solved
by AFS (which was designed for distributed computing and uses Kerberos
to manage authentication) and that NFSv4 had the correct framework.
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00479....
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00481....
Simo was not convinced that ID mapping problems had been solved and
wondered[6] what key management (which Alan had mentioned was
integrated into the kernel) brought to the table. Further discussion
centered[7][8] around the overlap between the authentication and user
identity domains.
[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00490....
[7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00504....
[8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00511....
=== When Will CVS Be Replaced By A Modern SCM? ===
A _very_ long thread was initiated[1] by AdamTkac when he asked
whether there were plans to replace CVS with a more modern SCM/VCS[0]
such as Mercurial/Hg, SVN or Git. JeffreyOllie suggested that a
search of the archives would answer most questions as this had been
discussed many times before. He pointed out that there is no
consensus on which alternative to choose and that Koji and Plague
would both need work done on them in order to support whatever is
chosen. DanWilliams thought[2] that Plague should be able to support
Git and/or Subversion.
[0] SCM and VCS are used interchangeably in this discussion, standing
for Software Configuration Management and Version Control System
respectively. DVCS stands for Distributed VCS. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_configuration_management
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00453....
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00388....
JoshBoyer asked[3] for any specific workflows which could be only be
obtained with a new VCS. One suggestion from TomasJanousek was[4]
that it was difficult to obtain a patchset from an arbitrary old
history of the specfile, but LesMikesell suggested running ''viewvc''
(which used to be ''cvsweb'') on the repository and VilleSkyttä
provided an URL which allowed the viewing of all branches through the
browser interface, all of which made ChristopherAillon happy[5].
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00384....
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00395....
[5] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00485....
Adam provided some specific problems with his workflow[6] including
the problem of easily moving a source tree under development and more.
He admitted that they were solvable with CVS but he felt there were
probably better ways of doing this with other systems. JesseKeating
pressed for specifics and when Adam suggested that local repositories,
branches and commits were desirable an interesting question was
asked[7] by AndrewBartlett. Andrew pointed out that while distributed
VCSs were attractive to the SAMBA Team their use of a centralized
build farm (similar to Koji) only worked with the centralized model
enforced by CVS. Jesse replied[8] to Adam that while he loved the idea
of distributed SCMs he thought that the workflow which Adam described
would result in an increased burden on most maintainers.
[6] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00422....
[7] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00433....
[8] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00437....
The problem of server outages (earlier mentioned by Adam) was expanded
on when LubomirKundrak advocated[9] retaining the current system and
pointed out that other services/servers had outages. MatejCepl's
response[10] pointing out that with a distributed VCS the users can
just commit locally and keep working led to skepticism from
RalfCorsepius followed by an explanation[11] from SimoSorce. JoshBoyer
and CaseyDahlin pointed[12] to the problem of distributing the
buildsystem as the limiting factor on the usefulness of a distributed
VCS.
[9] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00454....
[10] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00475....
[11] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00495....
[12] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00543....
FlorianLaRoche answered[13] the original query with the information
that the Git backend to Koji needed testing and that this was
important for the SecondaryArchitecture plans (see FWN#90 "Fedora
Secondary Architectures Proposal"[14] and FWN#92 "Secondary Arch
Proposal Cont."[15]).
[13] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00420....
[14] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue90#head-271f52b8e5603cd40d00d7c44e...
[15] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue92#head-c3434293278dd5591422aebad9...
Strong disagreement was expressed[16] by KarelZak with JoshBoyer's
statements that CVS was fine because most work was on editing
specfiles. Karel argued that specfiles were not central to his Fedora
work and that the problem was that source code was not maintained in
Fedora's CVS which meant that a ream of advantages were being lost.
TomasMraz agreed[17] but noted that the packages CVS tree was fine for
its purpose and that a set of scripts could provide a bridge between
it and a DVCS with the features which Karel wanted. When MatejCepl
provided a link to such a tool, Karel stated "We don't talk about a
bridge between CVS and DVCS. We need a way how convert src.rpm to real
source code tree that is managed by DVCS" which left Matej (and your
author) confused[18].
[16] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00528....
[17] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00550....
[18] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00589....
The thread flared up again when JonathanShapiro (from the CoyotOS
group) provided[19] evidence that a centralized workflow could benefit
from using a DVCS. Jesse wondered how many of the advantages realized
within the CoyotOS project would be procedures commonly used in
Fedora, to which ToshioKuratomi replied affirmatively[20] using his
experience with Python "eggs". NilsPhilippsen also provided a list of
things which could be done more easily with DVCS to which Jesse again
asked[21] how frequently these operations would be carried out. Jesse
stated that it was necessary to balance the extra complexity of
imposing a DVCS on each maintainer against the advantages gained by
its use.
[19] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00453....
[20] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00474....
=== Smolt And Software Information ===
Recent IRC discussions (in #smolt) were reported[1] by YaakovNemoy to
concern the collection of information about partitioning, drive sizes
and filesystem types. Yaakov had two questions: first, was it useful
to collect such information; second, were there privacy concerns?
Yaakov was very open and encouraging of criticism during the thread.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00604....
An exchange with "nodata" concerning the lack of access controls on
the UUID script resulted[2] in the filing of a bugzilla entry.
"Nodata" made the point that although current voluntary participants
might be happy to give their UUID to a developer for the current
limited amount of information linked to it, they would be less willing
to do so as more details were tied to the single UUID.
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00613....
=== Bogus Permissions ===
Some odd permissions (the Inventor* rpms had the execute bit set) in
the "8/Everything/i386/os/Packages" directory were noticed[1] by
RalfCorsepius. JesseKeating replied that the error was known and that
it was being ignored until things calmed down as there was no obvious
harm being done.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00670....
Ralf acknowledged[2] that there was no direct harm but that it wasn't
pretty and also pointed[3] out that low-bandwidth users might be upset
that they would need to download the packages again later.
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00672....
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00676....
=== Rpmbuild: Unset CFLAGS? ===
DebarshiRay (rishi) posted[1] that he had found while building
''proxyknife'' that it was necessary to make some adjustments to the
values of CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS in order to have ''rpmbuild'' complete
building the package. Koji builds worked perfectly without any
changes. Rishi wondered if it was a good idea to unset the two
variables by default.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00610....
After some help from JoachimFrieben (who suggested using CPPFLAGS
instead) Rishi suggested[2] that it should be possible for a specfile
to set custom values for CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS and FFLAGS. LeszekMatok
declared[3] himself a fan of environment variables in order to save
hours of specfile editing and MikeHarris added[4] a helpful
suggestion.
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00615....
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00624....
[4] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00631....
=== Fedora 9 Brainstorming ===
JesseKeating announced[1] that Fedora 9 development was going to go
ahead in the Rawhide repository on Friday 9th Nov and provided
instructions for those who wanted to get off at the Fedora 8 stop. A
useful link to the wiki describing the release engineering strategy
was provided.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00487....
The instructions to ensure that the ''development'' yum repository
should be disabled for anyone that does _not_ wish to experience the
first attempted compose of Fedora 9 were reiterated by DaveJones who
said "People get bitten by this every release. And no doubt, people
will this release too, because not all useres will read your
announcement." Dave suggested[2] that an update to fedora-release
just before the compose might ease this problem. Jesse and Rahul both
pointed out that this would still result in a problem for anyone that
had edited their repository files by hand as these would be used in
preference to any ''.rpmnew'' version supplied.
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00489....
=== Services Should Not Start By Default ===
The sharp-eyed OrionPoplawski noticed[1] that the latest Moodle
specfile seemed to set the CMS to start by default. JonCiesla
explained[2] that he had thought that the ''chkconfig'' line would
result in the service starting on boot and not on install and asked
what the correct thing was to do. BillNottingham confirmed[3] that
Jon's interpretation was correct, but clarified that the service
should not start on boot either.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00608....
[2] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00616....
[3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-November/msg00639....
[[Anchor(AdvisoryBoard)]]
== Advisory Board ==
In this section, we cover discussion in Fedora Advisory Board.
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board
Contributing Writer: MichaelLarabel
=== Fedora Legal Updates ===
TomCallaway has written a message on the fedora-advisory-board list
with updates on several legal matters[1]. Red Hat Legal has determined
that libgpod/gtkpod support does not violate the DMCA thus Fedora can
implement support for the newer generation iPods. It was also
determining that linking to third-party Fedora RPM repositories is
okay as long as there are no technology patents in question and no
party has asserted their rights, which does include MP3 support.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2007-November/msg00...
=== Improving The Fedora Development Process ===
For future Fedora releases, MaxSpevack has recommended three changes
be made to improve the development process[1]. These three points are
picking a release name sooner in the development cycle, complete the
web content at a specific deadline in the schedule, and more detailed
feature QA/smoke-testing.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2007-November/msg00...
[[Anchor(Documentation)]]
== Documentation ==
In this section, we cover the Fedora Documentation Project.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject
Contributing Writer: JohnBabich
=== Wiki Collaboration ===
KarstenWade explained to new contributors to Fedora docs on the wiki
that they may have experienced him or other editors making corrections
to their contributions. This is normal and should be viewed as a great
way to learn while doing. No one should feel that he or she is being
singled out.
He concluded, "You all are doing great work; there is so much activity
on some days the wiki edits just blur by. It makes my heart sing.
:)"[1].
[1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-November/msg00032.html
=== What Writing Tools Do You Use? ===
MurrayMcAllister asked "what tools everyone is using for writing,
including editors, research tools, diagram tools, graphic tools, and
so on." [1] he currently uses Kate, but is starting to use jEdit.
MarcWiriadisastra is using OpenOffice.org for wiki docs, Dan Smith is
also using Kedit and OpenOffice.org, along with Abi``Word. Dan also
confesses to putting things down on paper. RuturajVartak wrote that he
uses SCIM for Hindi translations, gedit and gtranslator. PaulFrields
is a big Emacs fan, but pines for Open``Office.org with better
XSLT/styling. He notes the potential of SVG. JohnBabich also wishes
OpenOffice.org Writer supported Doc``Book XML better and is excited
about the possibility of supporting text translations inside SVG
diagrams.
[1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-November/msg00022.html
=== Fedora Documentation Steering Committee (FDSCo) Meeting ===
The log[1] of the FDSCo meeting held on 4 November was posted to the
mailing list. There is also an html version[2] available on the Fedora
Project wiki.
[1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-November/msg00014.html
[2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minu...
The FDSCo meeting for 11 November 2007 was cancelled.
=== Administration Guide Work ===
There's been some excellent progress lately on the Admninistration Guide.
VladimirKosovac wrote that he just started a Samba write-up for the
Servers section in the Wiki. He understood that TOCs and multiple
pages should be avoided to ease wiki--> Doc``Book conversion. Is that
correct? [1]
[1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-November/msg00011.html
=== The KDE-SIG needs (your) help ===
JohnBabich seconded the call for help issued by the KDE-SIG,
especially the part asking for documentation writers: "The
documentation (esp. the Desktop``User``Guide) is GNOME-centered. Help
us to provide an equivalent for KDE." [1]
[]1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-November/msg00013.html
=== POT/PO Update for Release Notes ===
PaulFrields did his usual excellent job in getting the Release Notes
in shape for final publication in time for the release of Fedora 8.
Ever the humble person, he acknowledged the hard work done by
everyone:
"Thanks to everyone who worked so hard on getting these ready -- it
looks like we'll have at least 11 languages ready on release date!
You guys never fail to astound me with how much work you can
accomplish in such a relatively short time. Congratulations to all
the teams for their efforts!" [1]
[1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-November/msg00015.html
[[Anchor(Artwork)]]
== Artwork ==
In this section, we cover Fedora Artwork Project.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork
Contributing Writer: TimothyRoberts
=== Nodoka Window Decorations for KDE ===
LaithJuwaidah has released a KDE version of the new Fedora theme Nodoka.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00014.html
=== Arts in Brazil ===
JaymeAyres has contributed artwork for Fedora Project in Brasil.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00033.html
=== CD Box Draft ===
GiacomoSucci has posted a first draft of of the CD Box. He is asking
for the community's opinions and comments.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00056.html
=== Hardcoded Icons ===
JakubRusinek has requested that the community help fix gnome system-*
packages, which currently hardcodes icon paths.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00018.html
=== Fedora 8 Features in PDF ===
MichaelBeckwith has requested assistance with compiling a PDF intended
to display the new features of Fedora 8. He is in need of content,
ideas, and graphics.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00035.html
[[Anchor(SecurityWeek)]]
== Security Week ==
In this section, we highlight the security stories from the week in Fedora.
Contributing Writer: JoshBressers
=== Fedora 8 released ===
Last week saw the release of Fedora 8. This is important for
countless reasons, one of them being a new firewall configuration
tool. This is important since it should hopefully keep more people
using the firewall. In previous Fedora releases it was often easiest
to just turn off the firewall when something didn't work. This is
obviously an unwise move as it can leave your machine open to various
other issues. One of the most difficult things for security to
achieve is keeping users safe while staying out of the way.
=== pcre ===
Some rather foul pcre flaws were made public last week. In reality
these flaws aren't a big deal for most users, but it was found that
pcre is used by Konqueror. It seems that the Konqueror web browser
uses the pcre library for its JavaScript regular expression support.
Web browsers are easily one of the most dangerous applications on a
computer, as they process an incredible amount of arbitrary third
party content.
[[Anchor(AdvisoriesUpdates)]]
== Advisories and Updates ==
In this section, we cover Security Advisories and Package Updates from
fedora-package-announce.
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-package-announce
Contributing Writer: ThomasChung
=== Fedora 8 Security Advisories ===
* seamonkey-1.1.5-2.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* tar-1.17-4.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* hugin-0.6.1-11.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* ruby-1.8.6.111-1.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* cpio-2.9-5.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* liferea-1.2.23-5.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* nagios-plugins-1.4.8-9.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* xscreensaver-5.03-14.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* glib2-2.14.3-1.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* mono-1.2.5.1-2.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* cups-1.3.4-2.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* kdegraphics-3.5.8-7.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* xpdf-3.02-4.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* openldap-2.3.39-1.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* koffice-1.6.3-13.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* Django-0.96.1-1.fc8 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
=== Fedora 7 Security Advisories ===
* cpio-2.6-28.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* proftpd-1.3.1-2.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* hugin-0.6.1-11.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* tomboy-0.6.1-2.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* xpdf-3.02-4.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* koffice-1.6.3-13.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* inotify-tools-3.11-1.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* cups-1.2.12-7.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* mono-1.2.3-5.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* Django-0.96.1-1.fc7 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
=== Fedora Core 6 Security Advisories ===
* flac-1.1.2-28 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* firefox-1.5.0.12-5.fc6 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* thunderbird-1.5.0.12-3.fc6 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* libpng-1.2.10-10.fc6 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* tar-1.15.1-27.fc6 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* xen-3.0.3-13.fc6 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* ruby-1.8.5.114-1.fc6 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* cups-1.2.12-5.fc6 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
* cpio-2.6-22.fc6 -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2007-November/msg...
[[Anchor(EventsMeetings)]]
== Events and Meetings ==
In this section, we cover event reports and meeting summaries from
various projects.
Contributing Writer: ThomasChung
=== Fedora Board Meeting Minutes 2007-MM-DD ===
* No Report
=== Fedora Ambassadors Meeting 2007-MM-DD ===
* No Report
=== Fedora Documentation Steering Committee (Log) 2007-MM-DD ===
* No Report
=== Fedora Engineering Steering Committee Meeting 2007-MM-DD ===
* No Report
=== Fedora Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux Report Week 44 ===
* http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Reports/Week44
=== Fedora Infrastructure Meeting (Log) 2007-11-08 ===
* https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-November/...
=== Fedora Localization Meeting 2007-MM-DD ===
* No Report
=== Fedora Marketing Meeting 2007-MM-DD ===
* No Report
=== Fedora Packaging Committee Meeting 2007-MM-DD ===
* No Report
=== Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting 2007-11-07 ===
* http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20071107
=== Fedora Release Engineering Meeting 2007-11-05 ===
* http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/Meetings/2007-nov-05
=== Fedora SIG KDE Meeting 2007-11-06 ===
* http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2007-11-06
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