Proposal on FWN implementation/ automation

[Buddhike Kurera]

Hello

I would like to propose the following improvement in FWN as it saves
lot of time.

My idea is to automate the process as much as possible and get the
human support to edit the content and make sure the content looks
good.
The whole FAm beat can be made available with the use of a script. ( a
script to dig the pipemail and extract things required and arrange
them, pretty systematic way). If we discuss with other beat writers we
can figure out the possibility for their bets as well. AFAIK, the
insight
helps the publishing part instead the conventional wiki editing
process. Therefor we can put a step forward and make the
beat writing process smoother.

Then only an editor is required and that is easy than copy pasting
things manually. No beat writer is required but a
editor should check out whether the content is extracted correctly.
With this change beat writers are upgraded as editors. Finally the
editor-in-chief
can publish the whole FWN after checking the whole FWN.

Once the initial infra is setup the whole system can be managed with
less effort.
I think this would be a good investment and if needed the GSOC 2012
students' support may be obtained. (a project idea)

I would like to carry on the discussion through the mailing list and
then after we can step into implementation. No FWN issue took place
since last January.
Therefore I think we need to take some actions right now. I sent a
mail to Pascal as well and he promised to support till we setup
something.

In summery I think we need to do followings;

1) Make the FWN publishing process automated and smooth(less human effort)
2) Make the other contributors aware about the FWN and obtain their
help/ support.

Thanks for your time.

-- 
Regards,
Buddhike Chandradeepa Kurera(bckurera)
Fedora Ambassador Sri Lanka
Event Liaison - Design Team

Email: [e-mail] | IRC: bckurera

[Richard Vijay]

Good Idea Buddhike.


Thanks and regards
Richard Vijay
Ambassador & Beats Editor
IRC: fedora_richie
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On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Buddhike Kurera
<bckurera(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  Hello
>
>  I would like to propose the following improvement in FWN as it saves
>  lot of time.
>
>  My idea is to automate the process as much as possible and get the
>  human support to edit the content and make sure the content looks
>  good.
>  The whole FAm beat can be made available with the use of a script. ( a
>  script to dig the pipemail and extract things required and arrange
>  them, pretty systematic way). If we discuss with other beat writers we
>  can figure out the possibility for their bets as well. AFAIK, the
>  insight
>  helps the publishing part instead the conventional wiki editing
>  process. Therefor we can put a step forward and make the
>  beat writing process smoother.
>
>  Then only an editor is required and that is easy than copy pasting
>  things manually. No beat writer is required but a
>  editor should check out whether the content is extracted correctly.
>  With this change beat writers are upgraded as editors. Finally the
>  editor-in-chief
>  can publish the whole FWN after checking the whole FWN.
>
>  Once the initial infra is setup the whole system can be managed with
>  less effort.
>  I think this would be a good investment and if needed the GSOC 2012
>  students' support may be obtained. (a project idea)
>
>  I would like to carry on the discussion through the mailing list and
>  then after we can step into implementation. No FWN issue took place
>  since last January.
>  Therefore I think we need to take some actions right now. I sent a
>  mail to Pascal as well and he promised to support till we setup
>  something.
>
>  In summery I think we need to do followings;
>
>  1) Make the FWN publishing process automated and smooth(less human effort)
>  2) Make the other contributors aware about the FWN and obtain their
>  help/ support.
>
>  Thanks for your time.
>
>  --
>  Regards,
>  Buddhike Chandradeepa Kurera(bckurera)
>  Fedora Ambassador Sri Lanka
>  Event Liaison - Design Team
>
>  Email: [e-mail] | IRC: bckurera
>  _______________________________________________
>  news mailing list
>  news(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/news

[sankarshan]

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Buddhike Kurera
<bckurera(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

>  The whole FAm beat can be made available with the use of a script. (
> a
>  script to dig the pipemail and extract things required and arrange
>  them, pretty systematic way). If we discuss with other beat writers we
>  can figure out the possibility for their bets as well. AFAIK, the
>  insight
>  helps the publishing part instead the conventional wiki editing
>  process. Therefor we can put a step forward and make the
>  beat writing process smoother. 
If you are going along this path it is a slippery slope (and, I've
thought about this a lot of times earlier as well). The idea of FWN,
or, at least what I thought of it when I used to write the Ambassadors
beat, was to piece together the activities of the Ambassadors group in
a way that a reader can have a fairly clear idea of the activities for
the week even if (s)he wasn't part of the group or, was part of any
team inside of Fedora. This was the basic thought which allowed me to
experiment with separating the sections or, even trying to cover the
FAmSCo mailing list.

A tool or, a script is good when you have specific data sources to
obtain detail from viz. the new Ambassadors listing (or, new packages
waiting for karma) etc. But reading the threads and thereafter
providing a neutral point of view while maintaining a conversationally
easy tone is a writer's job.

Instead of a wiki a CMS could probably be a better publishing medium.
But, in context of the FWN, tools/scripts being written to pre-process
content for editors is probably not a good idea.



-- 
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
<http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog>

[Rashadul Islam]

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:39 AM, sankarshan <foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote:

>  On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Buddhike Kurera
>  <bckurera(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>
>  > The whole FAm beat can be made available with the use of a script. ( a
>  > script to dig the pipemail and extract things required and arrange
>  > them, pretty systematic way). If we discuss with other beat writers we
>  > can figure out the possibility for their bets as well. AFAIK, the
>  > insight
>  > helps the publishing part instead the conventional wiki editing
>  > process. Therefor we can put a step forward and make the
>  > beat writing process smoother.
>
>  If you are going along this path it is a slippery slope (and, I've
>  thought about this a lot of times earlier as well). The idea of FWN,
>  or, at least what I thought of it when I used to write the Ambassadors
>  beat, was to piece together the activities of the Ambassadors group in
>  a way that a reader can have a fairly clear idea of the activities for
>  the week even if (s)he wasn't part of the group or, was part of any
>  team inside of Fedora. This was the basic thought which allowed me to
>  experiment with separating the sections or, even trying to cover the
>  FAmSCo mailing list.
>
>  A tool or, a script is good when you have specific data sources to
>  obtain detail from viz. the new Ambassadors listing (or, new packages
>  waiting for karma) etc. But reading the threads and thereafter
>  providing a neutral point of view while maintaining a conversationally
>  easy tone is a writer's job.
>
>  Instead of a wiki a CMS could probably be a better publishing medium.
>  But, in context of the FWN, tools/scripts being written to pre-process
>  content for editors is probably not a good idea.
>
>
>
>  --
>  sankarshan mukhopadhyay
>  <http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog>
>  _______________________________________________
>  news mailing list
>  news(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/news
>  

+1 to sankarshan

The News Teams needs care only instead of taking new actions through
automation or CMS for all. Automation is good only for editor who is
integrating all the beats together, but not for the Beat writer, because
there are lots of thread that are/is minor to include in the News
(Specially Announcement Beat).

If no other is there than I would like to take the responsibility to Edit
the FWN on behalf of Pascal for certain time for to update the Fedora
Community.

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2012-03-16 at 04:44 -0800, Rashadul Islam wrote:

>  The News Teams needs care only instead of taking new actions through
>  automation or CMS for all. Automation is good only for editor who is
>  integrating all the beats together, but not for the Beat writer,
>  because there are lots of thread that are/is minor to include in the
>  News (Specially Announcement Beat).
>  
>  If no other is there than I would like to take the responsibility to
>  Edit the FWN on behalf of Pascal for certain time for to update the
>  Fedora Community. 
As co-editor I'm absolutely fine with adding Rashadul as an editor. I'm
really sorry to have been unable to take care of FWN lately, every week
I wake up thinking 'I'll get FWN going again this week!' and every week
something else comes up and I don't. :( Very sorry again.

Pascal, what's your take?
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora
http://www.happyassassin.net

[Buddhike Kurera]

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:09 PM, sankarshan <foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Buddhike Kurera
>  <bckurera(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>
> > The whole FAm beat can be made available with the use of a script. ( a
> > script to dig the pipemail and extract things required and arrange
> > them, pretty systematic way). If we discuss with other beat writers we
> > can figure out the possibility for their bets as well. AFAIK, the
> > insight
> > helps the publishing part instead the conventional wiki editing
> > process. Therefor we can put a step forward and make the
> > beat writing process smoother.
>
>  If you are going along this path it is a slippery slope (and, I've
>  thought about this a lot of times earlier as well). The idea of FWN,
>  or, at least what I thought of it when I used to write the Ambassadors
>  beat, was to piece together the activities of the Ambassadors group in
>  a way that a reader can have a fairly clear idea of the activities for
>  the week even if (s)he wasn't part of the group or, was part of any
>  team inside of Fedora. This was the basic thought which allowed me to
>  experiment with separating the sections or, even trying to cover the
>  FAmSCo mailing list.
>
>  A tool or, a script is good when you have specific data sources to
>  obtain detail from viz. the new Ambassadors listing (or, new packages
>  waiting for karma) etc. But reading the threads and thereafter
>  providing a neutral point of view while maintaining a conversationally
>  easy tone is a writer's job.
>
>  Instead of a wiki a CMS could probably be a better publishing medium.
>  But, in context of the FWN, tools/scripts being written to pre-process
>  content for editors is probably not a good idea. 
Hello,

Thanks for the idea.

When I was writing the FAm beat, I do really felt that little
automation can make the process better.
First of all my suggestion is not to make the process 100% automated.
But we can use a script to list things
then the content can be edited as required. The script is not to make
the process full automated. It barely
reduce the copy, paste time.

Being frank, full manual editing is quite cumbersome to repeat weekly.
That is the reason behind the proposal.
Putting the content together is not the hard part but the writing the beat.

As Sankarshan noted, if it is possible to semi-automate FAm welcome
etc., then we can start there.
As noted may be some beats cannot be adopted this method, then we can
use the old method but at-least we
can use the new method for some beats.

Open for discussions.

-- 
Regards,
Buddhike Chandradeepa Kurera(bckurera)
Fedora Ambassador Sri Lanka
Event Liaison - Design Team

Email: [e-mail] | IRC: bckurera

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2012-03-16 at 15:09 +0530, sankarshan wrote:
>  On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Buddhike Kurera
>  <bckurera(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  
>  > The whole FAm beat can be made available with the use of a script. ( a
>  > script to dig the pipemail and extract things required and arrange
>  > them, pretty systematic way). If we discuss with other beat writers we
>  > can figure out the possibility for their bets as well. AFAIK, the
>  > insight
>  > helps the publishing part instead the conventional wiki editing
>  > process. Therefor we can put a step forward and make the
>  > beat writing process smoother.
>  
>  If you are going along this path it is a slippery slope (and, I've
>  thought about this a lot of times earlier as well). The idea of FWN,
>  or, at least what I thought of it when I used to write the Ambassadors
>  beat, was to piece together the activities of the Ambassadors group in
>  a way that a reader can have a fairly clear idea of the activities for
>  the week even if (s)he wasn't part of the group or, was part of any
>  team inside of Fedora. This was the basic thought which allowed me to
>  experiment with separating the sections or, even trying to cover the
>  FAmSCo mailing list.
>  
>  A tool or, a script is good when you have specific data sources to
>  obtain detail from viz. the new Ambassadors listing (or, new packages
>  waiting for karma) etc. But reading the threads and thereafter
>  providing a neutral point of view while maintaining a conversationally
>  easy tone is a writer's job.
>  
>  Instead of a wiki a CMS could probably be a better publishing medium.
>  But, in context of the FWN, tools/scripts being written to pre-process
>  content for editors is probably not a good idea. 
Yeah, I think automated generation of a newsletter is probably not going
to work terribly well. When I wrote the QA beat I did a lot of manual
weeding of info from various sources and writing it into a summary that
flowed, I'm not sure we could realistically automate that yet.
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora
http://www.happyassassin.net