Fedora Weekly News meeting summary 2009-01-30

[Pascal Calarco]

Thanks to all who were able to attend today's FWN meeting.  Transcript 
is available at:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Meetings/2009-01-30

Summary:

Participants:

Adam Batkin
Nicu Buculei
Pascal Calarco
Oisin Feeley

1. Dormant beats

* we would like to find active writers for the Ambassadors, Marketing, 
and Security Week beats, at a minimum
* Pascal will follow up with current Ambassador and Marketing writers, 
and send a note out to the lists if they are not able to continue; Oisin 
will ask David Nalley for suggestions for the Security Week beat, since 
David is doing the Fedora updates beat each week

2. Formatting issues

* we thought it would be useful to investigate what MediaWiki 
conventions were available, and create some wiki scratch space to try 
these out, ie. <pkg> and other tagging
* Oisin and Pascal will reach out to the Docs folks to see if these are 
documented, and work with them to possibly add these to the wiki 
StyleGuide for others to use as well
* Pascal will update the FWN StyleGuide to indicate that person 
references should ideally reference the appropriate User: wiki page, if 
it exists.  If it does not, we will use CamelCase references as a fallback
* Oisin and Pascal will submit a request for Design work from the Art 
Team to help with a new wiki banner; also will consult with IanWeller 
and Mo for other FWN wiki styling updates
* Oisin will update the FWN StyleGuide to direct writers to start using 
the ref: cite module convention for links, which is much cleaner; 
Editors will need to convert all numbered references to ref: beginning 
with the next issue

3. Fedora Magazine

* Oisin and Pascal will contact Jonathon Roberts to discuss Fedora Magazine
* specifically: 1) investigate how to export from MediaWiki to e.g. 
wordpress or whatever is the CMS du jour supported by infrastrucure; 2) 
contact JonRob to ask what his plans are
* Adam Batkin indicated he can help out occasionally
* Pascal can devote some time to this also
* Nicu is happy to have his weekly webcomic syndicated in Fedora Magazine
* Nicu also suggested that the Art team was thinking about wallpaper 
photos of the week, which could be incorporated into Fedora Magazine

* the meeting adjourned at 13:59 UTC.

[Max Spevack]

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Pascal Calarco wrote:

>  * Pascal will follow up with current Ambassador and Marketing
> writers, 
>  and send a note out to the lists if they are not able to continue; 
>  Oisin will ask David Nalley for suggestions for the Security Week 
>  beat, since David is doing the Fedora updates beat each week 
I've been including upcoming events in the Announcements beat, FWIW.

>  * Pascal will update the FWN StyleGuide to indicate that person 
>  references should ideally reference the appropriate User: wiki page, 
>  if it exists.  If it does not, we will use CamelCase references as a 
>  fallback. 
Noted.

===

Is there a new policy for referencing URLs?

--Max

[Dale Bewley]

On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 16:04 -0500, Max Spevack wrote:
>  On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Pascal Calarco wrote:
>  > * Pascal will update the FWN StyleGuide to indicate that person 
>  > references should ideally reference the appropriate User: wiki page, 
>  > if it exists.  If it does not, we will use CamelCase references as a 
>  > fallback. 
Ian Weller tells me FAS users can be queried on IRC by messaging zodbot:

(02:56:24 PM) ianweller: .fas karsten wade
(02:56:25 PM) zodbot: ianweller: quaid 'Karsten Wade' ..<snip>..
(02:56:29 PM) ianweller: .wikilink quaid
(02:56:31 PM) zodbot: ianweller: [[User:quaid|Karsten Wade]]

This does seem to be handy, if not outisde typical workflow. It doesn't
seem complete though:

(03:08:31 PM) dbewley1: .fas dale bewley
(03:08:33 PM) zodbot: dbewley1: 'dale bewley' Not Found!

I checked and I have the 'privacy' box ticked in FAS, so I guess that's
why I'm missing.

I see that to appease the wiki czar, we've so far decided to link to
[[User:FAS_LOGIN|Full Name]] and fall back to camel case after a manual
query fails.

To be honest, I'm not very inclined to search for FAS usernames given a
full name just to link them from the article. I think it would be a
little too onerous. If camel case names are deemed evil, should we
discuss how valuable it is to have name links at all? Generally I'm all
for the more links the better, but I'd prefer to keep things as easy as
possible on us writers.

Maybe we can discuss beat writer personal workflows. Describe our own
habits, and pick up some tips from others. Probably best to start a new
thread for that.

-- 
Dale Bewley - Unix Administrator - Shields Library - UC Davis
GPG: 0xB098A0F3 0D5A 9AEB 43F4 F84C 7EFD  1753 064D 2583 B098 A0F3

[Oisin Feeley]

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Dale Bewley <dlbewley(a)lib.ucdavis.edu&gt;
wrote:
>  On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 16:04 -0500, Max Spevack wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Pascal Calarco wrote:
> > > * Pascal will update the FWN StyleGuide to indicate that person
> > > references should ideally reference the appropriate User: wiki page,
> > > if it exists.  If it does not, we will use CamelCase references as a
> > > fallback.
>
>  Ian Weller tells me FAS users can be queried on IRC by messaging zodbot:
>
>  (02:56:24 PM) ianweller: .fas karsten wade
>  (02:56:25 PM) zodbot: ianweller: quaid 'Karsten Wade' ..<snip>..
>  (02:56:29 PM) ianweller: .wikilink quaid
>  (02:56:31 PM) zodbot: ianweller: [[User:quaid|Karsten Wade]]
>
>  This does seem to be handy, if not outisde typical workflow. It doesn't
>  seem complete though:
>
>  (03:08:31 PM) dbewley1: .fas dale bewley
>  (03:08:33 PM) zodbot: dbewley1: 'dale bewley' Not Found!
>
>  I checked and I have the 'privacy' box ticked in FAS, so I guess that's
>  why I'm missing.
>
>  I see that to appease the wiki czar, we've so far decided to link to
>  [[User:FAS_LOGIN|Full Name]] and fall back to camel case after a manual
>  query fails.
>
>  To be honest, I'm not very inclined to search for FAS usernames given a
>  full name just to link them from the article. I think it would be a
>  little too onerous. If camel case names are deemed evil, should we
>  discuss how valuable it is to have name links at all? Generally I'm all
>  for the more links the better, but I'd prefer to keep things as easy as
>  possible on us writers. 
I'm in agreement here I think.  Unless there's an easy way to find
people's names or guess them then it becomes time-consuming to find them
in the wiki.  I was using the wiki advanced search with the User box
ticked and gave up after doing a couple because it took so long.  By
comparison it's pretty easy to guess people's CamelCase name in general.

The only way I can think of around this is to obtain a dump of the FAS
usernames correlated to the surname/familyname of the user.  We could
probably then use this to build dictionaries for whatever texteditors we
use (see next point).

>  Maybe we can discuss beat writer personal workflows. Describe our
> own
>  habits, and pick up some tips from others. Probably best to start a new
>  thread for that. 
The workflows do indeed make a big difference to what we expect or can
achieve from the above changes.   I'll look for the other thread or go
start it now. Mine's a bit wonky but it had distinct advantages until
the above changes!

Best wishes,
-- 
  Oisin Feeley
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley

[Nicu Buculei]

Dale Bewley wrote:
>  
>  This does seem to be handy, if not outisde typical workflow. It doesn't
>  seem complete though:
>  
>  (03:08:31 PM) dbewley1: .fas dale bewley
>  (03:08:33 PM) zodbot: dbewley1: 'dale bewley' Not Found!
>  
>  I checked and I have the 'privacy' box ticked in FAS, so I guess that's
>  why I'm missing. 
I can find you with a partial search, don't know why your complete name 
is not listed:

Feb 04 10:00:14 <nicubunu>	.fas dale
Feb 04 10:00:14 <zodbot>	westerj 'John Westerdale'
<john.westerdale@...> 
- dale '' <dale@...> - pablomvb 'pablo manuel vásquez bardales' 
<pablomvb@...> - dkruse 'Dalen Kruse' <dalen.kruse@...> - gerrygoodale

'Gerry Goodale' <gerry.goodale@...> - bdale 'Bdale Garbee'
<bdale@...> - 
krupa 'Dale Krupa' <cab580@...> - dalecanter 'Dale Canter' 
<dale.canter@...> - dghartung 'Dale (2 more messages)

-- 
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/
photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/
my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/

[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 10:06:44AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote:
>  Dale Bewley wrote:
> >
> > This does seem to be handy, if not outisde typical workflow. It doesn't
> > seem complete though:
> >
> > (03:08:31 PM) dbewley1: .fas dale bewley
> > (03:08:33 PM) zodbot: dbewley1: 'dale bewley' Not Found!
> >
> > I checked and I have the 'privacy' box ticked in FAS, so I guess that's
> > why I'm missing.
>
>  I can find you with a partial search, don't know why your complete name  
>  is not listed:
>
>  Feb 04 10:00:14 <nicubunu>	.fas dale
>  Feb 04 10:00:14 <zodbot>	westerj 'John Westerdale'
> <john.westerdale@...>  
>  - dale '' <dale@...> - pablomvb 'pablo manuel vásquez bardales'  
>  <pablomvb@...> - dkruse 'Dalen Kruse' <dalen.kruse@...> -
> gerrygoodale  
>  'Gerry Goodale' <gerry.goodale@...> - bdale 'Bdale Garbee'
> <bdale@...> -  
>  krupa 'Dale Krupa' <cab580@...> - dalecanter 'Dale Canter'  
>  <dale.canter@...> - dghartung 'Dale (2 more messages) 
Dale, you might want to visit FAS and fill in that info:

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/edit/

-- 
Paul W. Frields                                http://paul.frields.org/
  gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233  5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
  http://redhat.com/   -  -  -  -   http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/
  irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

[Dale Bewley]

On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 08:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  Dale, you might want to visit FAS and fill in that info:
>  
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/edit/ 
Actually, that info is and has been in there. Full name field is
complete. I also unchecked the privacy box yesterday, but it still
didn't fix the zodbot .fas search.

Another possibility would be to have CamelCase redirects for each FAS
user who gets wiki access. Cost/benefit...? Not sure.

-- 
Dale Bewley - Unix Administrator - Shields Library - UC Davis
GPG: 0xB098A0F3 0D5A 9AEB 43F4 F84C 7EFD  1753 064D 2583 B098 A0F3

[David Nalley]

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Dale Bewley <dlbewley(a)lib.ucdavis.edu&gt; wrote:
>  On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 08:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > Dale, you might want to visit FAS and fill in that info:
> >
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/edit/
>
>  Actually, that info is and has been in there. Full name field is
>  complete. I also unchecked the privacy box yesterday, but it still
>  didn't fix the zodbot .fas search.
>
>  Another possibility would be to have CamelCase redirects for each FAS
>  user who gets wiki access. Cost/benefit...? Not sure.
>
>  --
>  Dale Bewley - Unix Administrator - Shields Library - UC Davis
>  GPG: 0xB098A0F3 0D5A 9AEB 43F4 F84C 7EFD  1753 064D 2583 B098 A0F3
>  
Virtually every FAS user gets wiki access - (actually you have to
complete the CLA, but it's virtually the same thing)
There are something like 12000 user accounts now.

[Oisin Feeley]

On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:25:06 -0800, "Dale Bewley"
<dlbewley(a)lib.ucdavis.edu&gt; said:

>  Ian Weller tells me FAS users can be queried on IRC by messaging
> zodbot:
>  
>  (02:56:24 PM) ianweller: .fas karsten wade
>  (02:56:25 PM) zodbot: ianweller: quaid 'Karsten Wade' ..<snip>..
>  (02:56:29 PM) ianweller: .wikilink quaid
>  (02:56:31 PM) zodbot: ianweller: [[User:quaid|Karsten Wade]] 
Is zodbot supposed to be on #fedora or on some other channel? Could you
supply more information about using it?  I seem to get a message from
"zeebot" telling me I am not recognized when I try to use it. 

Best,

-- 
  Oisin Feeley
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley

[Nicu Buculei]

Oisin Feeley wrote:
>  
>  Is zodbot supposed to be on #fedora or on some other channel? Could you
>  supply more information about using it?  I seem to get a message from
>  "zeebot" telling me I am not recognized when I try to use it.  
I am not on #fedora (too much traffic) but I found (and used) him on 
#fedora-meeting

-- 
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/
photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/
my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/