On Mar 10, 2011, at 6:01 PM, He Rui wrote:

On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 14:43 -0500, James Laska wrote:
On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 18:06 +0800, He Rui wrote:
Greetings,

Now let's continue the discussion[1] about TCMS management. After the
feature comparison between wiki and nitrate, the features which are
supported in current wiki, but not in nitrate have been identified[2].
Among these, I priorized some of them as Must-have features, which were
summarized as below[3]:

1. History rollback -
User can view history versions and undo changes.

Good, I do use this more often than I realize.

2. History comparison -
Different versions can compare with each other.

Yes , after talk with Hurry I understand this is very important for community cooperation testing. But the implementation of roll back of test case is really not easy .

In development of 3.4 and 3.5 we plan to improve history function of test plan/case/run, show the edit history of every field. And in fact there has change log for test case.

3. Description part in test case -
Currently there's no 'Description' part for test case format on Nitrate,
should we add this part or use 'Setup' part instead?

No, I don't think 'setup' is the right place since we also use 'setup'
in our wiki test template. Does nitrate support a summary or any other
field to describe the intent of the test in human readable terms?

Oh, it has "Notes" area, maybe we can use that.

Ok , let me know if you have other requirement about this 'Notes' field.

4. Grouping cases (by media) -
Need a way to separate the cases to different groups in one test run.
How can we achieve this in Nitrate?

Probably different test runs of the same plan. One run would be for the
DVD ISO, one for the netinst.iso etc... Perhaps this will need further
exploration.

Yeah, use different test runs or sorting the cases by order.

5. Documents in test result page(Run) -
There's only a little space called 'Note' for documentation on Nitrate
and it doesn't support syntax. should we ask for more spaces with syntax
supported for test runs like test days?

Can you explain in more detail? Are you proposing we move the test day
wiki content into nitrate, so it's a one-stop-shop for test information
for that event?

I meant in nitrate, there's only a 'Notes' field to support a simple
summary of each test run. For a test day which has many contents[1] such
as "What to test", "Prerequisite for Test Day", "How to test" etc, it is
hard to put all of these into the 'Notes' field. This field doesn't
support TinyMCE or any other syntax editing.

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/Template

I see that Test Day is a very good cooperation testing activity. I think you can use Test Plan to describe the Test Day Document instead of Test Run.

The organizer write all information above in Test Plan document. And put test cases into this plan.

On that day ,every tester could make a new run for himself/ herself .

I user Nitrate made a test plan to simulate fedora test day on Feb25, please see the attached screenshot. In this way , information could be stored in plan documents, and test result in every test runs.

But now Nitrate can't supply the matrix test result show all user's result like the wikipage[1].

We need talk about the test result report feature in future development.

6. Moving test results -
Moving previous results from a test run to another. AFAIK, there's no
way to copy some of one test run results to another.

Good catch. I think with nitrate, you can selectively include test
cases when creating a new test run, right? Meaning, we wouldn't need to
include *all* tests in the plan when creating a new test run?

Yeah. but then we need to make very sure that certain cases results
won't be changed in new run. The summary of the new run results is also
not intact. Anyway, this is a workaround.

This brings up another question ... permissions. With the wiki, anyone
has permission to add or remove tests from a test run. How will that be
handled in nitrate?

Since it's internally use only, the permissions only have three: 1.
anonymous - read. 2. tester - read and write any case/run/plan. 3. Admin
- manage the tcms system.

Sorry ,I am not clear about the necessity of import result form another test run,is it mean those test run very similar, so why make a new run?Do you explain some more detail about this feature's scenario ?

7. Result type -
Nitrate doesn't have 'warn' but has 'error' result status. Modify it to
'warn'?

What is the significance of 'error' in nitrate? Does that mean there
was a test case error, not necessarily a software error?

It presents an environment error, the user guide suggesting the use of
result status is:

Idle - Default value. The Test Case has not been examined.
Passed - Test Case met all the expected results.
Failed - Test Case did not meet all the expected results, or produced an
unhandled exception.
Running - Test Case is in progress.
Paused - This status is used to denote a problem with the test case
itself that prevents the test from being completed.
Blocked - Test Case has a dependency that has failed.
Error - Test environment has problems that prevent Test Case execution.

But I guess such 'error' status will be seldom used.

So what mean do you think 'warn' with test case result ?

8. Multiple contributions for each case -
Support multiple test results for one case run.

Agreed and good catch! I think it's very important to allow multiple
testers to provide feedback on a single test given that the environment
under test (hardware) can vary for tests.

Yeah, so far, nitrate supports the view of editing logs but only display
the result changed at last time.

Similar with feature 5.

I suggest every contributor use different test run . So Nitrate could save all results.

What we need to do is show all result at a glance.

9. Authorities for pages -
Pages on wiki with different namespaces can have different permissions,
so hopefully pages on Nitrate can also have diff permissions.

I was confused by this a little earlier as well. I don't understand the
concept of pages within nitrate. Is this to replace the use of our wiki
test plan document and validation pages (e.g.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Installation_validation_testing)?

I meant for example if use certain namespace like 'Test_Results:' or
'Test_Day:', these test runs allow anonymous editing, while test runs
without such names don't. So nitrate should also provide a way to give
different permissions for test runs.

First , wiki use 'Page' to store and display it's content , and these pages are all same type, so it use namespace to control permission. Nitrate is more professional for test case management, use 'plan','case','run' to manage whole testing process. these could been seen as three types.

Now Nitrate can control permission of create/ edit/ delete of these three type of contents. But can't set permission for specific one run / case.

And now every editing action need account authentication, anonymous only can browse and view.

We need some time to discuss about permission control I think.

10. Supporting anonymous user read-write access -
Anonymous have read-write access for specified test runs.

+1

11. Page protection -
Protect certain plans/cases

Oh, I think I understand now. Is the analogy here that a valid FAS
login would be required, like we currently have with our wiki test cases
and test plans?

Yeah, it's similar to No.9, a valid login is required to change certain
test cases/plans.

12. License the content -
License the contents the same with wiki

Or at least listed in the list of "GOOD" licenses -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses_3

13. Upstream project community -
Monitoring it and actively discussing topics in nitrate-devel@, as well
as file/share bugs/requirements in bugzilla

+1

14. Test day page(run) creation -
In Nitrate each test run are built based on its test plan. Therefore,
test day plan and its cases are needed before creating a test day run.
Should we change our test day process(adding test plan and its cases) or
should we change Nitrate to support creating test runs without test
plan?

Perhaps something we need to experiment/research with a pilot instance?

Okay, then in a pilot instance, I'll create a test day plan and add
cases to it first.

15. Test cases priority -
Nitrate now has P1, P2, P3..., modify them to Alpha, Beta, and Final?

Alpha/Beta/Final are appropriate for our two test plans; desktop and
installation. I don't know if they apply for all test plans folks might
contribute. But it seems like an easy future adjustment, so for our
immediate needs, P3=Alpha, P2=Beta, P1=Final etc...

In general, for all nitrate metadata fields (priority, status,
resolution etc...), whomever administers the tool in Fedora should have
control over re-defining the values to something appropriate for Fedora.
Perhaps that might be a more generic way to phrase the requirement?

Ah, I see. Agree with it!

16. Each case with different platforms -
Better support two platform results(i386 and x86_64) submitting for each
case run

Sure, a test run can only be for a single architecture, right? So we'll
have two test runs for a compose.

1. RC1 - Installation (i386)
2. RC1 - Installation (x86_64)

Yeah, more runs can achieve this as well as grouping cases etc, but I'm
afraid this way runs of each event will be too many for management.

Welcome to discuss the above features and provide feedback/suggestion.
If there's any important feature missed, or this reminds you the
advantages of other tcms tools etc, feel free to talk.

I know you mention anonymous login support above, can you also list FAS
authentication? Apologies if I missed it already.

Do you mean integration with FAS?

Thank you for continuing to move forward with this initiative. I'll
keep thinking of important features and reply here if I have anything
worth sharing :)

Thanks,
James

Thanks!
Hurry
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