olpc December 2008

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Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO (was Fedora 10 on XO)
by Greg Smith 16 Dec '08

16 Dec '08

Hi Paul, I mean slimmed down Fedora (probably shouldn't even call it Fedora at that point) plus Gnome, KDE of XFCE window manager. Is that precise enough? If its as easy as yum install gnome on top of 8.2.0 image, that would be great! Thanks, Greg S pgf(a)laptop.org wrote: > greg wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Thanks for all the feedback on my questions about what it would take to > > run a slimmed down Fedora 10 on the XO NAND. > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2008-December/msg00022.html > > > > To reiterate, the goal is one distribution with two Desktop Environments > > (Sugar and one "standard" one). > > > > I think the main work now is to pick the minimal package list that we > > need and will fit on the XO NAND. > > > > Can anyone get a slimmed down Fedora 10 with window manager running on > > an XO? > > yes. install any joyride. > > i'm being flip, of course, but please be precise. our installs > _are_ "slimmed down fedora" releases. and sugar _is_ a window > manager. > > (but seriously: we only need to add to what we have -- we don't > need to start from scratch, rebuilding and/or subtracting from > fedora.) > > paul > =--------------------- > paul fox, pgf(a)laptop.org > give one laptop, get one laptop --- http://www.laptop.com/xo >

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Re: Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO
by Chris Ball 16 Dec '08

16 Dec '08

Hi, > (but seriously: we only need to add to what we have -- we don't > need to start from scratch, rebuilding and/or subtracting from > fedora.) In particular, I think: * take a Joyride build * yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop Environment" * http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/cscott/sugar-xfce-control should be portable to GNOME in a mechanical (s/xfce/gnome/g) fashion. * follow the rest of the instructions in: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Xfce#Install_Sugar.2FXFCE_Control_Panel to launch GNOME if it's been selected in the control panel * write a GNOME menu item/desktop icon to switch back to Sugar - Chris. -- Chris Ball <cjb(a)laptop.org>

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Change to bundlebuilder breaking Sugar packaging guidelines?
by Greg DeKoenigsberg 15 Dec '08

15 Dec '08

Hi folks. I've been working on My Very Own First Activity (yaaay!) but ran into some problems (boooo.) So I'm trying to package XoIRC, and thanks to dgilmore's help, I finally got it to build, but it looks like a change in bundlebuilder's behavior has led to some... oddness. Speficially this bit: def install(self, prefix): self.builder.build() activity_path = os.path.join(prefix, 'share', 'sugar', 'activities', self.config.bundle_root_dir) Which means a couple of things. First, the proper %install section, which once looked like this: rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{sugaractivitydir} python setup.py install $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{sugaractivitydir} ...now appears to look like this: rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{sugaractivitydir} python setup.py install --prefix=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_prefix} I'm surprised that no one has found this -- I don't know when those changes to bundlebuilder went in, but anyone who would have tried to build a new activity RPM using the old invocation of setup.py would have gotten breakage. In fact, I think this implies that anyone who rebuilds any newly-rebuilt bundle *will* get this breakage... am I right? What was the reason for this addition to bundlebuilder, does anyone know? I'm going to change the Sugar packaging guidelines here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/SugarActivityGuidelines ...unless someone tells me that bundlebuilder's new behavior is in error. --g -- Got an OLPC that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]]

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Slimmed Down Fedora 10 on XO (was Fedora 10 on XO)
by Greg Smith 15 Dec '08

15 Dec '08

Hi All, Thanks for all the feedback on my questions about what it would take to run a slimmed down Fedora 10 on the XO NAND. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2008-December/msg00022.html To reiterate, the goal is one distribution with two Desktop Environments (Sugar and one "standard" one). I think the main work now is to pick the minimal package list that we need and will fit on the XO NAND. Can anyone get a slimmed down Fedora 10 with window manager running on an XO? If so, can you record the packages and available space in the specifications section here? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap/Run_Fedora_applications_on_XO RTFM answers with URLs also welcome. Chris and Erik, Where are we with getting a proof of concept for this feature in place? You both mentioned some work in this area (Chris on resurrecting something Scott did and Erik on other work). Let me know the status and next steps. The hard part will come when we need to pick the bare minimum set of functionality. I especially want to know what additional libraries/RPMs/features we need to install beyond what we alrady have in XO 8.2.0. Thanks, Greg S

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One SD card Left
by Karlie Robinson 15 Dec '08

15 Dec '08

I expect to sell the last SD card today. Well at least the last of the initial 160 that were ordered. So we'll be sold out until we receive more SD cards on Jan 2. The cards will be in a back order/pre-sale type situation at On-Disk.com. I'm not sure what will happen to the Amazon.com listing while we're out of stock. I added another 25 with an "in stock" date of January 2, but I don't know if it will simply show out of stock or what. ~Karlie

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[Fwd: Att: Karlie]
by Karlie Robinson 12 Dec '08

12 Dec '08

this email sort of sums up what we talked about in the meeting yesterday. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Att: Karlie Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:03:09 +0000 From: nickgo[snip] To: on-disk[snip] Dear Karlie, I spoke to you on Wednesday by phone to inquire about returning the Fedora 10 for OLPC disk that I purchased from you through Amazon.com. The problem is, first, that the program keeps freezing when I try to do various things (such as downloading a plug-in for FireFox or attempting to zoom in or out of the browser view), and, second, that each time I boot up I get the following message: “Nautilus cannot be used now due to an unexpected error from Bonobo when attempting to locate the factory. Killing bonobo-activation-server and restarting Nautilus may help fix the problem.” I don't know whether the fact that Nautilus can't be used has anything to do with the freezing up problem. As you suggested over the phone, I tried to get some support from Fedora 10. I posted my questions and concerns on their forum, as well as searching the OLPC forum, and the answer in both forums was, essentially, that Fedora 10 was too bulky for the XO computer. There was some sentiment in the OLPC forum that the disk I bought should not have been released (“irresponsible” was one term used), while in the Fedora 10 forum I got the response that Fedora 9 derivative would have been more compatible with the XO, but that perhaps I should try to “disable some unneeded services.” Since you did say that you would be willing to accept a return of the disk, I would like to return it to you for a refund. I would appreciate your sending me the instructions for returning the disk to you. My Amazon order # was 104-0098588-2483405. Thanks, Nicholas Gordon

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Fwd: Gadget fedora package
by Marco Pesenti Gritti 12 Dec '08

12 Dec '08

If someone has a chance to review this, it would be very useful. We need it to improve collaboration scalability/reliability with a jabber server. Thanks! Marco ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marco Pesenti Gritti <marcopg(a)sugarlabs.org> Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:43 PM Subject: Gadget fedora package To: server-devel(a)lists.laptop.org Just fyi, I submitted a gadget fedora package for review. It's going to require ejabberd 2.0.2. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=475971 Marco

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Reminder: Fedora OLPC meeting, 1pm Eastern US time
by Greg DeKoenigsberg 11 Dec '08

11 Dec '08

On #fedora-olpc on freenode. Since the F10 testing on Fedora is largely completed, I think this meeting will focus on recalibrating our efforts to the next useful set of things we can be focusing on, and updating our action items to reflect that. --g -- Got an OLPC that you're not using? Loan it to a needy developer! [[ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Exchange_Registry ]]

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Production pictures and XO's at Ubuntu Loco meeting
by Karlie Robinson 06 Dec '08

06 Dec '08

Just in case you're curious about what's going on around here with SD cards. Packaging the cards - http://on-disk.com/images/packaging1.jpg http://on-disk.com/images/production2.jpg I've also been entertaining requests for groups wanting to see the XO's up close and personal. Here's a bad photo of our two XO's at the Rochester NY Ubuntu LoCo Meet-up on Dec 4. One running Sugar, the other running Fedora. (Sorry you'll have to take my word for it. I seem to do too much talking when I'm at these get togethers.) http://on-disk.com/images/ubuntumeetup_08-12-04.jpg

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Re: Fedora 10 on XO
by Chris Ball 05 Dec '08

05 Dec '08

Hi, > is xfce the right choice? i know it's "easy", but we should be > sure it's correct. (i've been using it on my own xo, in a > relatively unsophisticated way, but in the end that only makes it > feel like an unsophisticated interface, so i may not be the best > judge. :-) I agree that the choice is yet to be made and isn't totally obvious. I prefer using GNOME, but our current answer for "How much disk space does it require to run Fedora 10 and GNOME and apps?" is "a 4GB SD card and 256M of swap", so it seems hard to get there from here. Maybe we can run GNOME and some tiny set of apps without blowing the NAND budget, though.. - Chris. -- Chris Ball <cjb(a)laptop.org>

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