Announcing Fedora Sugar Spin!

[Sebastian Dziallas]

Hi everybody,

I'm proud to be announce the availability of our Fedora Sugar Spin, 
which incorporates the Sugar Desktop Environment on a Fedora Live CD.

So, what is this in specific? With this spin, you'll be able to run 
Sugar, which is developed by Sugarlabs and the desktop environment used 
on the OLPC, directly from a Live CD! You'll find several activities on 
the image including most notably...

* sugar-browse - a web browsing activity based on xulrunner
* sugar-write - a word processor based on abiword

...among with several other applications introducing e.g. chat support.

We, the OLPC SIG, will be importing further activities into Fedora, 
which might be installed using 'yum install sugar-*' at a later time.

Where can you get it? Easily, here:

http://sdz.fedorapeople.org/olpc/sugar-spin.iso

Here's the SHA1 checksum, just if you're interested:

f032ab45aa116c2728dcd2d676e29a5ee114fd1d  sugar-spin.iso

And what if you wanted to put it quickly onto your USB Key? Even easier! 
You'll just need to grab Luke Macken's liveusb-creator, which already 
includes support for the Sugar Spin. Here's the link:

https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/liveusb-creator/liveusb-creator-3.0.zi...

Thank you everybody, who made this possible!

--Sebastian

[Greg DeKoenigsberg]

Thanks, Sebastian.  Brilliant work here.

--g

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I'm proud to be announce the availability of our Fedora Sugar Spin, which 
> incorporates the Sugar Desktop Environment on a Fedora Live CD.
>
> So, what is this in specific? With this spin, you'll be able to run Sugar, 
> which is developed by Sugarlabs and the desktop environment used on the OLPC, 
> directly from a Live CD! You'll find several activities on the image 
> including most notably...
> sugar-browse - a web browsing activity based on xulrunner
> sugar-write - a word processor based on abiword
>
> ...among with several other applications introducing e.g. chat support.
>
> We, the OLPC SIG, will be importing further activities into Fedora, which 
> might be installed using 'yum install sugar-*' at a later time.
>
> Where can you get it? Easily, here:
>
> http://sdz.fedorapeople.org/olpc/sugar-spin.iso
>
> Here's the SHA1 checksum, just if you're interested:
>
> f032ab45aa116c2728dcd2d676e29a5ee114fd1d  sugar-spin.iso
>
> And what if you wanted to put it quickly onto your USB Key? Even easier! 
> You'll just need to grab Luke Macken's liveusb-creator, which already 
> includes support for the Sugar Spin. Here's the link:
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/liveusb-creator/liveusb-creator-3.0.zi...
>
> Thank you everybody, who made this possible!
>
> --Sebastian
>
> Fedora-olpc-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list

[Chris Ball]

Hi,
> Hi everybody, I'm proud to be announce the availability of our
> Fedora Sugar Spin, which incorporates the Sugar Desktop Environment
> on a Fedora Live CD.

Cool!
> http://sdz.fedorapeople.org/olpc/sugar-spin.iso

I just gave this a try using kvm on Rawhide, and it worked fine:
   % sudo qemu-kvm -m 512 -cdrom sugar-spin.iso

A minor complaint:  Sugar came up in 800x600, which doesn't look very
good.  I wonder if we can try for 1280x1024 by default instead.  (It
might just be the graphics card qemu is emulating, but even if that's
the case we should consider fixing it for qemu..)

Thanks,

- Chris.

[Jeremy Katz]

On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 17:53 -0400, Chris Ball wrote:
> A minor complaint:  Sugar came up in 800x600, which doesn't look very
> good.  I wonder if we can try for 1280x1024 by default instead.  (It
> might just be the graphics card qemu is emulating, but even if that's
> the case we should consider fixing it for qemu..)

It's the graphics card qemu emulates (Cirrus).  The answer to fixing it
is to get something more reasonable emulated within qemu than an ancient
Cirrus Logic chip ;-)

Jeremy

[Chris Ball]

Hi Jeremy,
> On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 17:53 -0400, Chris Ball wrote:
> > A minor complaint: Sugar came up in 800x600, which doesn't look
> > very good.  I wonder if we can try for 1280x1024 by default
> > instead.  (It might just be the graphics card qemu is emulating,
> > but even if that's the case we should consider fixing it for
> > qemu..)
> It's the graphics card qemu emulates (Cirrus).  The answer to
> fixing it is to get something more reasonable emulated within qemu
> than an ancient Cirrus Logic chip ;-)

I just booted the Ubuntu 8.10 live image on the same (Rawhide) kvm
install and it's using 1024x768 by default, which is much more pleasant:

(--) CIRRUS(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024)
   (**) CIRRUS(0): *Default mode "1024x768": 78.8 MHz, 60.0 kHz, 75.0 Hz
   (II) CIRRUS(0): Modeline "1024x768"x75.0   78.75  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz)

Perhaps there's a patch we can pull?

Thanks,

- Chris.

[Jeremy Katz]

On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 18:31 -0400, Chris Ball wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 17:53 -0400, Chris Ball wrote:
> > > A minor complaint: Sugar came up in 800x600, which doesn't look
> > > very good.  I wonder if we can try for 1280x1024 by default
> > > instead.  (It might just be the graphics card qemu is emulating,
> > > but even if that's the case we should consider fixing it for
> > > qemu..)
> > It's the graphics card qemu emulates (Cirrus).  The answer to
> > fixing it is to get something more reasonable emulated within qemu
> > than an ancient Cirrus Logic chip ;-)
>
> I just booted the Ubuntu 8.10 live image on the same (Rawhide) kvm
> install and it's using 1024x768 by default, which is much more pleasant:
>
> (--) CIRRUS(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024)
>    (**) CIRRUS(0): *Default mode "1024x768": 78.8 MHz, 60.0 kHz, 75.0 Hz
>    (II) CIRRUS(0): Modeline "1024x768"x75.0   78.75  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz)
>
> Perhaps there's a patch we can pull?

The "patch" is that they use an xorg.conf and hard-code 1024x768 as
their default resolution.  We don't use an xorg.conf at all[1] in Fedora
and instead rely on the X server to be able to probe things.  Cirrus
hardware doesn't support any form of reasonable DDC and thus it goes
with its fallback which is 800x600.  Given that most of the hardware
which ends up using the fallback paths is old and that hardware is the
hardware most likely to have problems with > 800x600, it's not really
safe to change that.

Jeremy

[1] With the exception of on the XO, where we still have to create one
because the driver is lame ;)

[IAEP] Announcing Fedora Sugar Spin!

[David Farning]

Very nice!
thanks
david

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I'm proud to be announce the availability of our Fedora Sugar Spin,
> which incorporates the Sugar Desktop Environment on a Fedora Live CD.
>
> So, what is this in specific? With this spin, you'll be able to run
> Sugar, which is developed by Sugarlabs and the desktop environment used
> on the OLPC, directly from a Live CD! You'll find several activities on
> the image including most notably...
> sugar-browse - a web browsing activity based on xulrunner
> sugar-write - a word processor based on abiword
>
> ...among with several other applications introducing e.g. chat support.
>
> We, the OLPC SIG, will be importing further activities into Fedora,
> which might be installed using 'yum install sugar-*' at a later time.
>
> Where can you get it? Easily, here:
>
> http://sdz.fedorapeople.org/olpc/sugar-spin.iso
>
> Here's the SHA1 checksum, just if you're interested:
>
> f032ab45aa116c2728dcd2d676e29a5ee114fd1d  sugar-spin.iso
>
> And what if you wanted to put it quickly onto your USB Key? Even easier!
> You'll just need to grab Luke Macken's liveusb-creator, which already
> includes support for the Sugar Spin. Here's the link:
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/liveusb-creator/liveusb-creator-3.0.zi...
>
> Thank you everybody, who made this possible!
>
> --Sebastian
> _______________________________________________
> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
> [e-mail]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

[Sebastian Dziallas]

Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I'm proud to be announce the availability of our Fedora Sugar Spin, 
> which incorporates the Sugar Desktop Environment on a Fedora Live CD.
>
> So, what is this in specific? With this spin, you'll be able to run 
> Sugar, which is developed by Sugarlabs and the desktop environment used 
> on the OLPC, directly from a Live CD! You'll find several activities on 
> the image including most notably...
> sugar-browse - a web browsing activity based on xulrunner
> sugar-write - a word processor based on abiword
>
> ...among with several other applications introducing e.g. chat support.
>
> We, the OLPC SIG, will be importing further activities into Fedora, 
> which might be installed using 'yum install sugar-*' at a later time.
>
> Where can you get it? Easily, here:
>
> http://sdz.fedorapeople.org/olpc/sugar-spin.iso

Okay, this link is now highly obsolete!

Please don't use it or link to it anymore. The image there has been 
removed, since it has a new home. You'll find it at it's new location, 
which is here:

http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/olpc/0.82/i686/sugar-spin.iso
> Here's the SHA1 checksum, just if you're interested:
>
> f032ab45aa116c2728dcd2d676e29a5ee114fd1d  sugar-spin.iso
>
> And what if you wanted to put it quickly onto your USB Key? Even easier! 
> You'll just need to grab Luke Macken's liveusb-creator, which already 
> includes support for the Sugar Spin. Here's the link:
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/liveusb-creator/liveusb-creator-3.0.zi...

The liveusb-creator link to the Sugar Spin is still the old one, so 
you'll need to download the image manually from the new location above, 
until this gets fixed. We're working on it!
> Thank you everybody, who made this possible!
>
> --Sebastian

Again, thanks!

--Sebastian

[IAEP] Announcing Fedora Sugar Spin!

[Marco Pesenti Gritti]

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Sebastian Dziallas  wrote:
> http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/olpc/0.82/i686/sugar-spin.iso

Should we start versioning the images? I'm not sure if we have disk
space to keep the old ones around, but even if we don't... I have a
few sugar-spin.iso on my disk and I have no idea anymore how
recent/old they are :)

Marco