[Bug 488404] New: Review Request: pony - Can I have a pony?

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Summary: Review Request: pony -  Can I have a pony?

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Summary: Review Request: pony -  Can I have a pony?
           Product: Fedora
           Version: rawhide
          Platform: All
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: medium
          Priority: medium
         Component: Package Review
        AssignedTo: [e-mail]
        ReportedBy: [e-mail]
         QAContact: [e-mail]
                CC: [e-mail], [e-mail]
   Estimated Hours: 0.0
    Classification: Fedora

Spec URL: http://ynemoy.fedorapeople.org/review/pony.spec
SRPM URL: http://ynemoy.fedorapeople.org/review/pony-1.0-1.fc10.src.rpm
Description: You can have a pony!

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Jens Petersen  changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Nigel Metheringham   2009-03-04 08:52:26 EDT ---
Ubuntu won't give you a pony -
http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg

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--- Comment #2 from Bill Nottingham   2009-03-04 10:54:37 EDT ---
I'm wary of setting the expectation in Fedora that users will be allowed to
have ponies.

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--- Comment #3 from Yaakov Nemoy   2009-03-04 13:47:44 EDT ---
I'm wary of setting the expectation of there being trains in Fedora, but try:

$ sudo yum install sl

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--- Comment #4 from Adam Williamson   2009-03-04 17:25:09 EDT ---
I am allergic to ponies and find this extremely insensitive!

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--- Comment #5 from lexual   2009-03-04 23:14:42 EDT ---
It depends what you mean by pony?

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pony

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--- Comment #6 from Lubomir Rintel   2009-03-05 06:00:37 EDT ---
Seriously -- please think for a while -- what value does this bring to users
apart from growing the repositories a bit and thus making yum a bit slower? :)

Here's some random points to consider:

1.) Does this comply with the "code not content" rule?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Code_Vs_Content

Yes, I know there's a wrapper there, which probably classifies this as "code",
still I'm inclined to think it's role in the package is rather marginal.

2.) Doesn't this duplicate existing features?
"fortune" package seems to do something roughly similar. Why not use it?

3.) Does this comply with our licensing guidelines?
The ponnies file doesn't have licensing information.

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--- Comment #7 from Lubomir Rintel   2009-03-05 06:03:41 EDT ---
On the second look; there's about a dozen of authors of the pictures, most of
them didn't license it for free redistribution. Closing.

http://www.ascii-art.de/info/copyright/
The collection of ASCII art pictures, the text on these pages and the web
design may not be copied for non-personal use without the author's written
permission.

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--- Comment #8 from Yaakov Nemoy   2009-03-05 11:32:17 EDT ---
1) It's on the border of what's code or content, and there are several other
packages that are on that border as well. Closing this bug report on that basis
alone is arbitrary and unfair.

2) The fortune package plays a slightly different role. Aside from being
basically a displayer of certain content, it has played an historical role in
Unix and Linux for many years. While this pony might be a good candidate for
content to be added to the fortune package, the role of this application is to
fill a specific meme in the Red Hat and Fedora communities.

3) The licensing does present some questions. Rather than closing this request
due to some prejudice, i've emailed upstream asking about the licensing issue.
As i was writing this, i actually got a reply from Don mentioning that he does
not have a valid license for this, and realistically we would need to find a
public domain picture to use.

I would also like to note that the upstream haskell community has accepted this
package as part of their internal culture and memes as well. Licensing issues
aside, packaging this would play the same role as packaging fortune in any Unix
or Linux distro. IIRC fortune is not installed by default in Fedora. Nor would
this package be.

Think along the lines of "Haskell will give you a pony, but not if you use
Fedora".

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--- Comment #9 from Lubomir Rintel   2009-03-05 12:43:10 EDT ---
(In reply to comment #8)
> It's on the border of what's code or content, and there are several other
>
> packages that are on that border as well. Closing this bug report on that basis
> alone is arbitrary and unfair.

I would never close a bug for a reason like this. I'm sorry if I was
misunderstood.
> The fortune package plays a slightly different role. Aside from being
>
> basically a displayer of certain content, it has played an historical role in
> Unix and Linux for many years. While this pony might be a good candidate for
> content to be added to the fortune package, the role of this application is to
> fill a specific meme in the Red Hat and Fedora communities.

Understood.
> The licensing does present some questions. Rather than closing this request
>
> due to some prejudice, i've emailed upstream asking about the licensing issue.
> As i was writing this, i actually got a reply from Don mentioning that he does
> not have a valid license for this, and realistically we would need to find a
> public domain picture to use.
>
> I would also like to note that the upstream haskell community has accepted this
> package as part of their internal culture and memes as well. Licensing issues
> aside, packaging this would play the same role as packaging fortune in any Unix
> or Linux distro. IIRC fortune is not installed by default in Fedora. Nor would
> this package be.
>
> Think along the lines of "Haskell will give you a pony, but not if you use
> Fedora".

Feel free to reopen or open another review request once you have a package with
valid license.

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--- Comment #10 from Yaakov Nemoy   2009-03-05 15:40:30 EDT ---
Will do, best thing to do is cooperate with upstream on this one. I'll reopen
if/when things get solved.