[Bug 471509] New: Review Request: Ext JS - Ext JS is a cross-browser JavaScript library for building rich internet applications.

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Summary: Review Request: Ext JS - Ext JS is a cross-browser JavaScript library for building rich internet applications.

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Summary: Review Request: Ext JS - Ext JS is a cross-browser
                    JavaScript library for building rich internet
                    applications.
           Product: Fedora
           Version: rawhide
          Platform: All
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: medium
          Priority: medium
         Component: Package Review
        AssignedTo: [e-mail]
        ReportedBy: [e-mail]
         QAContact: [e-mail]
                CC: [e-mail], [e-mail]
   Estimated Hours: 0.0
    Classification: Fedora

Spec URL: 
http://matrix.senecac.on.ca/~mdvyas/ExtJS/extjs.spec

SRPM URL:
http://matrix.senecac.on.ca/~mdvyas/ExtJS/extjs-2.2-1.fc8.src.rpm

Koji Build:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=927964

Description: 
Ext JS is a cross-browser JavaScript library for building rich internet
applications. It includes:
 * High performance, customizable UI widgets.
 * Well designed and extensible Component model.
 * An intutive, easy to use API.

[Bug 471509] Review Request: extjs - Ext JS is a cross-browser JavaScript library for building rich internet applications.

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Jason Tibbitts  changed:

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             Blocks|                            |182235
            Summary|Review Request: Ext JS -    |Review Request: extjs - Ext
                   |Ext JS is a cross-browser   |JS is a cross-browser
                   |JavaScript library for      |JavaScript library for
                   |building rich internet      |building rich internet
                   |applications.               |applications.

--- Comment #1 from Jason Tibbitts   2008-11-14 08:24:42 EDT ---
I don't see any names matching yours in the account system; what's your FAS ID?
 Do you require a sponsor?

I recall that extjs has some licensing issues; please see bug 455474.  If you
can, please indicate how things have changed since that ticket (if indeed they
have).  I'll go ahead and ask the legal folks to have a look.

Please also note that a few folks are trying to develop packaging guidelines
for javascript, but there are many issues.  Please see
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/JavaScript and perhaps become
involved in the process if you want to package javascript libraries.  I don't
think we'll be approving any javascript packages until the guidelines progress
a bit further.

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--- Comment #2 from Tom "spot" Callaway   2008-11-14 16:56:49 EDT ---
Okay, so let me explain this.

The latest version of ExtJS claims to be under GPLv3 with an exception,
documented here: http://extjs.com/products/floss-exception.php

RH Legal is firm that this exception clause isn't valid.

One of the conditions for the exception is:

the Derivative Work can reasonably be considered independent and
  separate work that is intended for use by end-users and not as a
  library for software development purposes.

This doesn't make sense. "Independent and separate" from what?  By
definition the Derivative Work is formed by combining Ext with some
FLOSS work, so it can't be "independent and separate" from those.

Moreover, how do you determine whether a Derivative Work is "intended
for use by end-users and not as a library for software development
purposes"?  Well, to some degree you might be able to, but it raises
disturbing questions.  This sounds very much like a field-of-use
limitation.  If any such work actually were declared to be "intended
for use solely by end-users" surely that would make such a work
non-free.  (Non-open-source, even.)  Does "not as a library for
software development purposes" suggest that the Derivative Work must
be under terms that prohibit modification?  At best this is
disturbingly unclear.

There are a couple of other points one could make as well.

The sum conclusion here is that Fedora and its users are not safe to use the
exception clause in ExtJS. However, there is no barrier to using it under
GPLv3.

This means unfortunately that items like Testopia are right out, due to license
incompatibility with GPLv3, but it doesn't prevent ExtJS from inclusion in
Fedora on its own merit. BE SURE that anything you use with ExtJS is compatible
with GPLv3!

All of this text needs to go in a file in the package called
"README-Fedora-Licensing", and the spec needs to reflect it like this:

# The FLOSS Exception is NOT VALID for this package, see:
# README-Fedora-Licensing
License: GPLv3

... Lifting FE-Legal

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--- Comment #3 from Jason Tibbitts   2008-12-16 22:13:41 EDT ---
I note there's been no response to these comments from the submitter in over a
month.  I will close this ticket soon if there is no further action.

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--- Comment #4 from Mohak Vyas   2008-12-19 18:10:21 EDT ---
FAS ID: Vyas    
IRC Nick: Vyas

Yes I need a sponsor. Here are the new .src.rpm and .spec file.

Spec URL:
http://matrix.senecac.on.ca/~mdvyas/ExtJS/extjs.spec

SRPM URL:
http://matrix.senecac.on.ca/~mdvyas/ExtJS/extjs-2.2-1.fc10.src.rpm

I am watching the packaging guidelines for JavaScript packages page so I can
edit my package accordingly.

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Chris Tyler  changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Mohak Vyas   2009-03-27 16:31:18 EDT ---
Its been a long time and I don't see any updates on the JavaScript packaging
guidelines. I was wondering what are we gonna do now. If we are not gonna block
the packages, can someone please review it.

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--- Comment #6 from Toshio Ernie Kuratomi   2009-04-09 13:59:13 EDT ---
A quick look at the spec shows a few problems:

1) You didn't follow spot's directions -- there's no explanation of the
licensing issues in the spec file.
2) The source URL doesn't have a comment explaining how to get the zip file
3) The Fedora README isn't included as a SourceX: line in the spec... that
leads me to believe you've modified the upstream zip file to include it which
is not allowed.

As for packaging guidelines... That's somewhat my fault.  I've been busy and
there's been blockers in other packages that have made packaging javascript
libraries not work the way I'd like.  One package has been recently fixed which
makes it possible for this to work again.  I'm looking into updating the
Guidelines.

If you're interested in Javascript libraries, it would be highly beneficial to
help drive this forward.  You can take the existing Draft as a basis or talk to
me about my idea for a static-library like change.

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--- Comment #7 from Jason Tibbitts   2009-07-10 13:35:13 EDT ---
It's been three months since Toshio's commentary with no response, and still no
package that fixes the licensing issues pointed out nearly eight months ago. 
I'll close this ticket soon if there's no further progress.

[Bug 471509] Review Request: extjs - Ext JS is a cross-browser JavaScript library for building rich internet applications.

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             Status|NEW                         |CLOSED
             Blocks|177841(FE-NEEDSPONSOR)      |201449(FE-DEADREVIEW)
         Resolution|                            |NOTABUG

--- Comment #8 from Jason Tibbitts   2009-07-17 14:25:29 EDT ---
No response; closing.