February 2017 - packaging - Fedora Mailing-Lists

/usr/share files that differ among architectures

by Petr Pisar

I'm reviewing rakudo <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498390>, a Perl 6 interpreter. The interpreter is mostly written in NQP language and the sources are compiled into MoarVM object files at RPM package build time. The moarvm files are installed under /usr/share subdirectories. The problem is the moarvm files differ in size (and thus in content) among architectures. My first impression was that the files must be moved under %{__libdir}. But I'm not fully convinvced it is really necessary. First, the moarvm files should be portable despite of different size. At least this my unverified opinion. If it were true, could we put the files into a noarch subpackage? Wouldn't that break Fedora release managament? Second, if rakudo did not aspire for multilib safety (rakudo contains some ELF files), would it be permissible to keep the moarvm files under /usr/share and delivered by architecture-specific RPM package? Maybe my questions could be summarized as: How should the FHS definition ("The /usr/share hierarchy is for all read-only architecture independent data files") should be understood? The files must be bit-to-bit indistinguishable, or the files can be used on any architecture? -- Petr

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Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2017-02-23 17:00 - 19:00 UTC)

by James Antill

====================== #fedora-meeting-1: fpc ====================== Meeting started by geppetto at 17:00:43 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2017-02-23/fpc.2017- 02-23-17.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (geppetto, 17:00:44) * Schedule (geppetto, 17:04:50) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/packaging@lists.fedor aproject.org/message/URBIDXVA4L74PNHYMEF3LVUI2W77U4BK/ (geppetto, 17:04:52) * #679 Actively discourage Group (geppetto, 17:05:30) * ACTION: Actively discourage Group in specfiles (+1:7, 0:0, -1:0) (geppetto, 17:10:33) * #680 tmpfiles.d minor cleanup (geppetto, 17:10:49) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Packaging%3ATmpfiles.d& diff=current&oldid=458504 (orionp, 17:17:57) * ACTION: tmpfiles.d minor cleanup (+1:6, 0:1, -1:0) (geppetto, 17:21:54) * #678 Ban use of directory Requires (geppetto, 17:23:54) * #656 version guidelines major simplification for the git era (geppetto, 17:26:58) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tibbs/VersioningCleanup (geppetto, 17:28:57) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tibbs/VersioningCleanupExamples (tibbs, 17:32:50) * FWIW: +1: geppetto tibbs tomspur (geppetto, 18:00:32) * #632 Requires: hicolor-icon-theme or own dir (geppetto, 18:01:15) * ACTION: Directory deps. wording added/updated. (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) (geppetto, 18:19:08) * #613 "provenpackagers" tag (geppetto, 18:19:23) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tibbs/SensitiveSpecs#Spec_Maint enance_and_Canonicity (tibbs, 18:30:25) * ACTION: Spec Maintenance and Canonicity changes (+1:5, 0:1, 1:0) (geppetto, 18:41:00) * Open Floor (geppetto, 18:41:09) Meeting ended at 18:58:53 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Actively discourage Group in specfiles (+1:7, 0:0, -1:0) * tmpfiles.d minor cleanup (+1:6, 0:1, -1:0) * Directory deps. wording added/updated. (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) * Spec Maintenance and Canonicity changes (+1:5, 0:1, 1:0) Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * Actively discourage Group in specfiles (+1:7, 0:0, -1:0) * tmpfiles.d minor cleanup (+1:6, 0:1, -1:0) * Directory deps. wording added/updated. (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) * Spec Maintenance and Canonicity changes (+1:5, 0:1, 1:0) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * geppetto (100) * tibbs (98) * limburgher (73) * zodbot (19) * orionp (18) * tomspur (16) * mbooth (9) * racor (8) * ignatenkobrain (5) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2017-02-23 17:00 UTC)

by James Antill

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2017-02-23 17:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Local time information (via. rktime): 2017-02-23 09:00 Thu US/Pacific PST 2017-02-23 12:00 Thu US/Eastern EST 2017-02-23 17:00 Thu UTC <- 2017-02-23 17:00 Thu Europe/London <- 2017-02-23 18:00 Thu Europe/Paris CET 2017 -02-23 18:00 Thu Europe/Berlin CET 2017-02-23 22:30 Thu Asia/Calcutta IST ------------------new day------------------ ---- 2017-02-24 01:00 Fri Asia/Singapore SGT 2017-02-24 01:00 Fri Asia/Hong_Kong HKT 2017-02-24 02:00 Fri Asia/Tokyo JST 2017-02-24 03:00 Fri Australia/Brisbane AEST Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/13 = Followups = #topic #591 Description of filtering macros in Perl is outdated .fpc 591 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/591 #topic #613 "provenpackagers" tag .fpc 613 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/613 #topic #632 Requires: hicolor-icon-theme or own dir .fpc 632 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/632 #topic #656 version guidelines major simplification for the git era .fpc 656 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/656 #topic #678 Ban use of directory Requires .fpc 678 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/678 = New business = #topic #679 Actively discourage Group: .fpc 679 https://fedorahosted.org /fpc/ticket/679 #topic #680 tmpfiles.d minor cleanup .fpc 680 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/680 = Open Floor = For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The report of the agenda items can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/13 If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fpc, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.

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Inclusion of main version numbers in package names?

by Markus Elfring

Hello, Package names play an important role for the resolution of software dependencies. I came along another example for a specific name pattern. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/rpms/libXScrnSaver/ This name does not include a main version number so far. Are there any circumstances when this technical detail will matter more? Regards, Markus

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Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2017-02-09 17:00 - 18:30 UTC)

by James Antill

====================== #fedora-meeting-1: fpc ====================== Meeting started by geppetto at 17:01:45 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2017-02-09/fpc.2017- 02-09-17.01.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (geppetto, 17:01:46) * Schedule (geppetto, 17:06:58) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/packaging@lists.fedor aproject.org/message/VUDX6QGQJCY4ZCOE7XHEQNIQL3IFIWE7/ (geppetto, 17:07:01) * #669 Request (uid, gid) = 389 for the 386 Directory Server (geppetto, 17:07:19) * ACTION: Request (uid, gid) = 389 for the 386 Directory Server (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) (geppetto, 17:14:27) * #672 Python guidelines: change example spec (geppetto, 17:14:42) * ACTION: Python guidelines: change example spec to match guidelines (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0) (geppetto, 17:25:16) * #673 Clarify when (not) to use alternatives (geppetto, 17:25:24) * ACTION: Clarify when it is (not) appropriate to use alternatives (+1:5, 0:1, -1:0) (geppetto, 17:41:11) * #675 Updated guidelines for per-edition divergent config (geppetto, 17:41:20) * ACTION: Updated guidelines for per-edition divergent config (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0) (geppetto, 18:12:56) * #678 Ban use of directory Requires (geppetto, 18:13:00) * Minimal guideline change needed, if any. Mostly agree that solving this should happen by fixing the packaging that has many many owners of dirs. that are really owned by a single package. (geppetto, 18:18:14) * ACTION: ignatenkobrain To think about a way we could automatically detect this on the provider side, and have a autoQA/taskotron thing. (geppetto, 18:23:32) * Open Floor (geppetto, 18:24:33) Meeting ended at 18:32:02 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Request (uid, gid) = 389 for the 386 Directory Server (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) * Python guidelines: change example spec to match guidelines (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0) * Clarify when it is (not) appropriate to use alternatives (+1:5, 0:1, -1:0) * Updated guidelines for per-edition divergent config (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0) * ignatenkobrain To think about a way we could automatically detect this on the provider side, and have a autoQA/taskotron thing. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * ignatenkobrain * ignatenkobrain To think about a way we could automatically detect this on the provider side, and have a autoQA/taskotron thing. * **UNASSIGNED** * Request (uid, gid) = 389 for the 386 Directory Server (+1:6, 0:0, -1:0) * Python guidelines: change example spec to match guidelines (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0) * Clarify when it is (not) appropriate to use alternatives (+1:5, 0:1, -1:0) * Updated guidelines for per-edition divergent config (+1:5, 0:0, -1:0) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * geppetto (93) * sgallagh (23) * limburgher (19) * Rathann (19) * ignatenkobrain (17) * zodbot (17) * racor (16) * orionp (14) * linuxmodder (6) * mbooth (6) * tomspur (3) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2017-02-09 16:00 UTC) (old: 10; new: 5)

by James Antill

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2017-02-09 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Local time information (via. rktime): 2017-02-09 09:00 Thu US/Pacific PST 2017-02-09 12:00 Thu US/Eastern EST 2017-02-09 17:00 Thu UTC <- 2017-02-09 17:00 Thu Europe/London <- 2017-02-09 18:00 Thu Europe/Paris CET 2017 -02-09 18:00 Thu Europe/Berlin CET 2017-02-09 22:30 Thu Asia/Calcutta IST ------------------new day------------------ ---- 2017-02-10 01:00 Fri Asia/Singapore SGT 2017-02-10 01:00 Fri Asia/Hong_Kong HKT 2017-02-10 02:00 Fri Asia/Tokyo JST 2017-02-10 03:00 Fri Australia/Brisbane AEST Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/13 = Followups = #topic #398 Tilde in version .fpc 398 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/398 #topic #558 Application/Library distinction and package splitting .fpc 558 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/558 #topic #610 Check upstream tarball signatures .fpc 610 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/610 #topic #650 Change for Alternate Python Interpreters .fpc 650 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/650 #topic #654 glibc file triggers .fpc 654 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/654 #topic #655 meson buildsystem guidelines .fpc 655 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/655 #topic #656 pre/post-release version simplification for the git era .fpc 656 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/656 #topic #657 Keeping packager tooling in sync with our guidelines .fpc 657 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/657 #topic #661 Formalize/standardize %check-optional packaging .fpc 661 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/661 #topic #665 SSLCertificateHandling policy update .fpc 665 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/665 = New business = #topic #669 Request (uid, gid) = 389 for the 386 Directory Server .fpc 669 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/669 #topic #672 Python guidelines: change example spec .fpc 672 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/672 #topic #673 Clarify when (not) to use alternatives .fpc 673 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/673 #topic #675 Updated guidelines for per-edition divergent config .fpc 675 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/675 #topic #678 Ban use of directory Requires .fpc 678 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/678 = Open Floor = For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The report of the agenda items can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/13 If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fpc, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.

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