On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Matthew Miller <mattdm@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:11:39PM -0400, Gary Gatling wrote:
> > I realize we have our guidelines and we're not Debian, Suse or Ubuntu...
> > and that's a good thing. But, if we're making exceptions for Firefox
> > because of it's popularity shouldn't we do the same for Chromium.
> I agree with Gerald. If there are exceptions for firefox due to popularity
> then chromium deserves the same bundling exceptions. Otherwise we are not
> being fair.

It's important to note that "popularity" is not the sole reason for
exceptions for Firefox. Overall, everyone should review the existing
discussion in the guidelines about bundling exceptions and consider how
this might fit in (possibly including revisions if they make sense):
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_Libraries#Some_reasons_you_might_be_granted_an_exception

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While it is true that Chromium does indeed bundle a lot more than Firefox does, I think they've also been putting in quite a bit of work into actually solving this problem[0]. To be absolutely fair to Chromium, they recognized the issue very quickly after they started making Linux releases. On top of the fact that Chromium development moves extremely quickly[1] and they appear to be quite responsive on security issues and work hard to design the application to be secure in itself[2]. If I remember correctly, it was Chromium's rapid development pace that triggered Firefox's own development practices to change[3].

I think that it's hard for us to continue to ignore Chromium, too. Despite everything, Chrome is preferred web browser by Fedorans second to Firefox, and not by a wide margin with Google+ users and a somewhat wide margin with Facebook users[4]. I imagine the lack of Chromium in Fedora is pretty much the reason for low usage and Firefox being default the reason for it remaining the top browser.

If there's a huge stopper of some kind, we should engage with the Chromium folks more directly on solving it. I don't know exactly what that would involve, but we should do something about it, I think.

[0]: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28287

[1]: https://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel

[2]: https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security

[3]: http://www.computerworld.com/article/2506843/desktop-apps/firefox-follows-chrome-lead--eyes-faster-releases.html

[4]: https://eischmann.wordpress.com/2015/07/31/most-popular-web-browsers-among-fedora-users/

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