Heads up: tomcat6 package into Fedora 9

[Fernando Nasser]

Hi guys,

We will be working on importing JPackage.org Tomcat 6 RPM into Fedora 9 
(will be submitted as a new package).

I'd like to keep the tomcat5 package around as well, as some people may 
want to use the old version still.  The packages have versioned names so 
they can be installed in parallel.  Would that be OK?

Regards to all,
Fernando

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

> >>>> "FN" == Fernando Nasser
> <fnasser(a)redhat.com&gt; writes: 
FN> I'd like to keep the tomcat5 package around as well, as some
FN> people may want to use the old version still.  The packages have
FN> versioned names so they can be installed in parallel.  Would that
FN> be OK?

I don't see why that would be a problem, although I'm not really sure
of the implications of how the parallel installations would interact
with initscripts.  I guess since tomcat 5 uses "tomcat5" for its
initscript there wouldn't be any conflict, but is there any point to
running both versions at the same time?

Also, I can't help but point out that we still really need someone
from (one of) the Java team(s) to help us write some Java guidelines.
Without guidelines, review tickets for Java packages have been piling
up, and it's taken me a lot of time just to get answers to basic
questions that have cropped up during a package review.

 - J<

[Devrim GÜNDÜZ]

Hi,

On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 13:14 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
>  I guess since tomcat 5 uses "tomcat5" for its
>  initscript there wouldn't be any conflict, but is there any point to
>  running both versions at the same time? 
I think what Fernando proposes is ability to install both versions at
the same time -- not running them at the same time, right? Yeah, they
will conflict in the default port settings, etc, but this will probably
not be an issue.

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[Fernando Nasser]

Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 13:14 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> > I guess since tomcat 5 uses "tomcat5" for its
> > initscript there wouldn't be any conflict, but is there any point to
> > running both versions at the same time?
>  
>  I think what Fernando proposes is ability to install both versions at
>  the same time -- not running them at the same time, right? Yeah, they
>  will conflict in the default port settings, etc, but this will probably
>  not be an issue.
>   
You actually can.  You just need to config the ports to different 
numbers.  One can run more than one instance of the same tomcat5 version 
BTW, it was added in one of the latest revisions.

The installation of parallel versions of tomcat exists for several years 
already, that is why they are called tomcat3, tomcat4, tomcat5 and 
tomcat6 instead of just tomcat.  It happens that we started shipping a 
tomcat5 in Fedora, so we never noticed that.

Cheers,
Fernando


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[Jason L Tibbitts III]

> >>>> "FN" == Fernando Nasser
> <fnasser(a)redhat.com&gt; writes: 
FN> You actually can.  You just need to config the ports to different
FN> numbers.

Then there should be no issues having both packages in the repos and
not conflicting.

 - J<

[Fernando Nasser]

Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> >>>>> "FN" == Fernando Nasser
> <fnasser(a)redhat.com&gt; writes:
>  
>  FN> I'd like to keep the tomcat5 package around as well, as some
>  FN> people may want to use the old version still.  The packages have
>  FN> versioned names so they can be installed in parallel.  Would that
>  FN> be OK?
>  
>  I don't see why that would be a problem, although I'm not really sure
>  of the implications of how the parallel installations would interact
>  with initscripts.  I guess since tomcat 5 uses "tomcat5" for its
>  initscript there wouldn't be any conflict, but is there any point to
>  running both versions at the same time?
>   
The applications may need changes to run in a different version.  Also 
there are some pre-packaged things that one does not know how to 
re-config but still wants to run.  Last but not least, some bits are 
BuildRequires and tomcat6 has a different level of the APIs.  I wanted 
to give people at least a release or two to adapt any dependnecies.


>  Also, I can't help but point out that we still really need
> someone
>  from (one of) the Java team(s) to help us write some Java guidelines.
>  Without guidelines, review tickets for Java packages have been piling
>  up, and it's taken me a lot of time just to get answers to basic
>  questions that have cropped up during a package review.
>   
I ti snot the guidelines that are missing.  Several Java-related stuff 
have been discussed over the last couple of years.  Sometimes long and 
painful threads: ask Jess or Spot.

What we need is people to do the reviews.  We only get volunteers when 
someone is interested in a package (two cases recently).  But nobody 
seems to have the cycle and we cannot review the packages we own 
ourselves.  We need to try and get together some folks for a concentrate 
effort like we did once.

Regards,
Fernando

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

> >>>> "FN" == Fernando Nasser
> <fnasser(a)redhat.com&gt; writes: 
FN> I ti snot the guidelines that are missing.

Well....

FN> What we need is people to do the reviews.

I have been willing to review Java packages, but there are no
guidelines which govern this and some of the practices I've seen in
the packages (like the javadoc scriptlets) which I simply cannot
approve without seeing a document that went through the guideline
procedure saying "yes, it looks terrible but it's OK for Fedora".

So many of those packages would have been reviewed were it not for the
lack of guidelines.

 - J<