3:24 p.m.
This is just a heads up that I will probably not be available this week for
the FPC meeting. If someone else wants to run it, please do. the only two
commands you absolutely need to know are:
#startmeeting fpc
#endmeeting
If you need me to vote after the meeting on certain tickets, just let me
know.
Next week I hope to be present for the meeting but I can't promise I will.
I'm at the PyCon conference both weeks but next week is the hackfest portion
so it will depends on internet connectivity more than scheduling.
The Haskell Guidelines are one thing that needs to be looked over and voted
upon: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/194
The filtering guidelines need one vote to pass (or five negative votes to
fail): https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/189
I think that all other tickets that we were voting on in trac are done.
Lots of "new" tickets if you get past those two.
-Toshio
3:30 p.m.
On 03/11/2013 08:24 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
This is just a heads up that I will probably not be available this
week for
the FPC meeting. If someone else wants to run it, please do. the only two
commands you absolutely need to know are:
#startmeeting fpc
#endmeeting
If you need me to vote after the meeting on certain tickets, just let me
know.
Next week I hope to be present for the meeting but I can't promise I will.
I'm at the PyCon conference both weeks but next week is the hackfest portion
so it will depends on internet connectivity more than scheduling.
The Haskell Guidelines are one thing that needs to be looked over and voted
upon: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/194
The filtering guidelines need one vote to pass (or five negative votes to
fail): https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/189
I think that all other tickets that we were voting on in trac are done.
Lots of "new" tickets if you get past those two.
Throw your vote on having packages shipping cron job depend on crontab
as got discussed last meeting.
JBG
5:50 p.m.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 08:30:02PM +0000, "J??hann B. Gu??mundsson" wrote:
On 03/11/2013 08:24 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>This is just a heads up that I will probably not be available this week for
>the FPC meeting. If someone else wants to run it, please do. the only two
>commands you absolutely need to know are:
>
>#startmeeting fpc
>
>#endmeeting
>
>If you need me to vote after the meeting on certain tickets, just let me
>know.
>
>Next week I hope to be present for the meeting but I can't promise I will.
>I'm at the PyCon conference both weeks but next week is the hackfest portion
>so it will depends on internet connectivity more than scheduling.
>
>The Haskell Guidelines are one thing that needs to be looked over and voted
>upon: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/194
>
>The filtering guidelines need one vote to pass (or five negative votes to
>fail): https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/189
>
>I think that all other tickets that we were voting on in trac are done.
>
>Lots of "new" tickets if you get past those two.
Throw your vote on having packages shipping cron job depend on
crontab as got discussed last meeting.
I was waiting for the draft to show up.
-Toshio
7:23 p.m.
On 03/11/2013 10:50 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 08:30:02PM +0000, "J??hann B.
Gu??mundsson" wrote:
> On 03/11/2013 08:24 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>> This is just a heads up that I will probably not be available this week for
>> the FPC meeting. If someone else wants to run it, please do. the only two
>> commands you absolutely need to know are:
>>
>> #startmeeting fpc
>>
>> #endmeeting
>>
>> If you need me to vote after the meeting on certain tickets, just let me
>> know.
>>
>> Next week I hope to be present for the meeting but I can't promise I will.
>> I'm at the PyCon conference both weeks but next week is the hackfest portion
>> so it will depends on internet connectivity more than scheduling.
>>
>> The Haskell Guidelines are one thing that needs to be looked over and voted
>> upon: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/194
>>
>> The filtering guidelines need one vote to pass (or five negative votes to
>> fail): https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/189
>>
>> I think that all other tickets that we were voting on in trac are done.
>>
>> Lots of "new" tickets if you get past those two.
> Throw your vote on having packages shipping cron job depend on
> crontab as got discussed last meeting.
>
I was waiting for the draft to show up.
You mean the one that you guys somehow assumed I had more free time that
you did ( I dont get paid to work on Fedora which means I spending what
ever free time I have to work on various bits in the project ) and
somehow expected me to write one because not everybody could attend and
or vote on that meeting upon when it was discussed, You know the guy
with poor English skills ( which means it would have to be rewritten by
the fpc anyway ) and is not even packager as I mentioned on that
meeting. + I have already tried that once before and that did not work
out so well.
In this case it's best that FPC spends it's free time settles on it. I
have already been waiting for close to a 2 weeks for a single Require
line ( what ever it may turn out to be even thou it seemed to be settled
upon on that meeting that was crontab ) so I can start working on those
components after all you guys are the packaging committee and when you
signed up for the job you must have assumed that your time would be
spend on proposal and other related work that falls under FPC not just
expected to be handed drafts and ack upon them?
The bottom line is as got discussed on that meeting and seemed to be the
best chose is to have every package that ships cron job to depend on
crontab as cronie does. The rest who did not cast vote on that meeting
can cast vote upon that and I can start working on those components ( or
not and we have to find some other way ) and whomever has enough free
time is can come up with a draft surrounding that.
JBG
8:05 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:23:02AM +0000, "J??hann B. Gu??mundsson" wrote:
You mean the one that you guys somehow assumed I had more free time
that you did ( I dont get paid to work on Fedora which means I
spending what ever free time I have to work on various bits in the
project ) and somehow expected me to write one because not everybody
could attend and or vote on that meeting upon when it was discussed,
You know the guy with poor English skills ( which means it would have
to be rewritten by the fpc anyway ) and is not even packager as I
mentioned on that meeting. + I have already tried that once before
and that did not work out so well.
In this case it's best that FPC spends it's free time settles on it.
I have already been waiting for close to a 2 weeks for a single
Require line ( what ever it may turn out to be even thou it seemed to
be settled upon on that meeting that was crontab ) so I can start
working on those components after all you guys are the packaging
committee and when you signed up for the job you must have assumed
that your time would be spend on proposal and other related work that
falls under FPC not just expected to be handed drafts and ack upon
them?
Well then, the next time I get some free time I'll go ahead and look at the
issue and write up a draft. Seeing as how I just got enough free time to
write up a filtering draft which was first requested in April 2011, you may
have a multi-year wait. At the very least, it'll have to wait until after
PyCon, (~2 weeks) and after the .desktop file cleanup (Still ~200 packages)
and after the fedora infra discussion on oauth and I'll probably need to
help with a new FAS, a new python-fedora, and a new pkgdb release by then.
For the most part, the other FPC members do want to receive drafts. Many
years ago we realized that the FPC members' time did not scale well. So we
started encouraging people to submit drafts so that we could spend our time
examining and editing those drafts that are submitted rather than having to
start from scratch learning the ins and outs of a problem, determining where
in the guidelines a change would need to be made and which of the ins and
outs of the problem would need to be mentioned in that change.
Some of us still write drafts when there's a particular problem that we feel
affects more people or is more important to the distribution or simply
scratches an itch that we have. But doing so does take time that we maybe
should have been spending on something else.
So as with everything in Fedora, if you have an itch, doing the work will
get it done faster than relying on someone else who is at least as busy as
you. If you're lucky, other people will have the same itch and will help
you do it.
-Toshio
9:29 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Toshio Kuratomi" <a.badger(a)gmail.com>
To: packaging(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:24:57 AM
Subject: [Fedora-packaging] FPC Meeting this week
This is just a heads up that I will probably not be available this week for
the FPC meeting. If someone else wants to run it, please do. the only two
commands you absolutely need to know are:
#startmeeting fpc
#endmeeting
This IRC commands instruction may be already known, but I think it's worth to
share again (especially for ones who chair the meeting):
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot
Happy meeting hours.
Kind regards,
Tuan
9:54 p.m.
On 03/12/2013 01:05 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
Well then, the next time I get some free time I'll go ahead and
look at the
issue and write up a draft. Seeing as how I just got enough free time to
write up a filtering draft which was first requested in April 2011, you may
have a multi-year wait. At the very least, it'll have to wait until after
PyCon, (~2 weeks) and after the .desktop file cleanup (Still ~200 packages)
and after the fedora infra discussion on oauth and I'll probably need to
help with a new FAS, a new python-fedora, and a new pkgdb release by then.
You can start by voting on the issue as you could have done at the
meeting like the rest of them, then atleast I dont have to wait
multi-year so I can start scratching my itch and start fixing one of
many components that seem to somehow *expect* things to be there in the
BaseOS in foreseeable future and the draft can be written anytime when
someone has the free time to do it as I had mentioned.
Atleast then the broken implementation of package containing cron jobs
in the distribution can be fixed by a person willing to go through all
that and fix it.
For the most part, the other FPC members do want to receive drafts. Many
years ago we realized that the FPC members' time did not scale well. So we
started encouraging people to submit drafts so that we could spend our time
examining and editing those drafts that are submitted rather than having to
start from scratch learning the ins and outs of a problem, determining where
in the guidelines a change would need to be made and which of the ins and
outs of the problem would need to be mentioned in that change.
Ah I see what the problem is here and I suggest FPC should be change
from a "committee" to a "community" you could learn a thing or two
from
us in QA in that regard.
Some of us still write drafts when there's a particular problem that we feel
affects more people or is more important to the distribution or simply
scratches an itch that we have. But doing so does take time that we maybe
should have been spending on something else.
I honestly dont care in what you want to spend your time it's yours to
spend but when I work on things I want to do them properly even if that
means that I have to spend extra time fixing things that are not
directly related to the work I'm doing but indirectly are affected or it
simply makes sense to do that work/cleanup at the same time.
We have too many poorly and half implemented things in the distribution
and for no logical reason continue to ship obsoleted stuff like the
legacy sysv initscript after they have been migrated and I simply choose
not to be one of those guys or girls that is the cause of that,
essentially an distribution litterer...
So as with everything in Fedora, if you have an itch, doing the work will
get it done faster than relying on someone else who is at least as busy as
you. If you're lucky, other people will have the same itch and will help
you do it.
I probably know that fact far more then many here in the distribution.
JBG
10:26 p.m.
>>>> "TK" == Toshio Kuratomi
<a.badger(a)gmail.com> writes:
TK> This is just a heads up that I will probably not be available this
TK> week for the FPC meeting.
It looks like I'll be en route to New Orleans at that time as well. I
owe some ticket votes so I'll look through them as soon as I get some
time (which will hopefully be tomorrow).
- J<
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