Re: Newbie with Fedora Core 4 PPC on Power Mac G5.
by Brian Durant
On 28. jan 2006, at 19.24, Brian D. Carlstrom wrote:
> Brian Durant writes:
>> 3) The fans on the G5 are revving excessively. I assume this is a
>> problem with the "windfarm" module?
>
> Have you done a "yum update" to get the latest software and rebooted
> with the newly installed kernel? For me the original FC4 did not
> support
> my PowerMac7,3 but the updated one did. However, I don't think this
> will
> work in your case, but updating to an updates-testing kernel might,
> if I
> recall my earlier email, the 2.6.15 kernel available there had the
> PowerMac9,1 code. once you update everything else, you can try a "yum
> --enable-depot=updates-testing kernel*" or something like that to get
> the newer kernel. Be careful not to install a ppc (versus ppc64)
> kernel
> or you won't be able to boot.
Sorry, I keep changing things around, but I am really getting
frustrated about not being able to get anything to work with any of
the distros. They all are acting worse than beta ware on my machine.
In my opinion, none of them should have been released before the
issues were sorted out. It doesn't make a good impression for total
newbies. Fortunately, I have had some experience with Linux, so I
know sometimes you need patience, but I still try to follow the ath
of least resistance and deal with the distro that is least bad :-)
Since my posting,I have gone back to YDL 4.0.1 as it seems to work
best on my machine of all of the distros I have tried. Even though I
have a thing for .deb based distros, I am basically a pragmatist at
heart and since YDL works best for me, that is where I will
concentrate my effort on getting things sorted out. Maybe I can be
convinced to love an .rpm based system as well. Who knows? Time will
tell. Hopefully since it has Fedora Core as its base, this won't be
considered off topic for the list. Except for installing Danish
language support, my YDL install is a default desktop install. Here
are some pretty fundamental issues that I can't seem to get around:
1) I can start a root session, but YDL doesn't recognize the root
password when I try to do a command like:
$ su tail -f /var/log/messages [ENTER]
$ sudo tail -f /var/log/messages [ENTER]
$ root tail -f /var/log/messages [ENTER]
(This is when I am in a normal user session)
2) "yum check-update" returns something about some file missing in /
var/....
>> 1) At the log in, the cursor blinks in the "username" field, but
>> neither my Apple wireless keyboard nor my Apple USB keyboard seem to
>> work. The mouse (Apple Mighty Mouse) seems to freeze also. I end up
>> having to do a hard shutdown by pressing the poser button.
>
> I have only used the regular wired mouse and keyboards. In addition to
> the ones that Apple shipped with the machine, on one machine we have a
> Microsoft wired optical mouse and that works fine. We general use the
> USB connector on the back of the monitor but we have also used the
> front
> and back USB connectors without problem.
>
>> 2) Yaboot can't boot into OS X.
>
> There has been a new yaboot since the initial release as well,
> though I
> have no idea if its related to this problem you are having. I've never
> created a dual boot configuration so I'm not helpful there. Also, make
> sure you run /sbin/ybwin whenever you change your /etc/yaboot.conf so
> that it will take effect. Are there settings in yaboot.conf for dual
> boot support?
>
> $ yum provides /sbin/ybin
> Searching Packages:
> Setting up repositories
> Reading repository metadata in from local files
>
>
> yaboot.ppc 1.3.12-9
> base
> Matched from:
> /sbin/ybin
>
>
> yaboot.ppc 1.3.12-10
> updates-released
> Matched from:
> /sbin/ybin
>
>
> yaboot.ppc 1.3.12-10
> installed
> Matched from:
> /sbin/ybin
> $
>
> Finally, YDL 4.1 is supposed to be out relatively soon...:)
Yes, I have been thinking about that as well, but to tell you the
truth, I would like to get a boxed version shipped. I would like to
have a manual in my hand to refer to when I am puzzling over a
solution. I like to relax in a sofa and study the matter before I go
back to my desk :-) I'll have to see if Terrasoft can handle a
shipment to Denmark. They have a partner in Germany, but as I don't
read German...
For now, I am going to concentrate on getting 4.0.1 to work and then
see where I go from there :-)
Cheers,
Brian
17 years, 10 months
Re: Newbie with Power Mac G5.
by Brian Durant
On 22. jan 2006, at 0.49, Brian D. Carlstrom wrote:
> Brian Durant writes:
>> If the above works more or less as described, would there be any
>> problems with the OpenFirmware and yaboot if I installed Linux with
>> the OS X drive unplugged, just in case - up in space?
>
> with linux on drive "b" with the "a" drive unplugged? the only
> concern I
> would have is that it might make the /etc/fstab mount tab assuming
> that
> since its the only drive that its the "a" drive. Then again, it should
> know what drive it is from the controller. I don't think you'll break
> anything, and at worst I can imagine that you could just boot and fix
> the /etc/fstab after the fact.
>
> -bri
Hmm. Interesting, but short lived experience. I booted into the
Fedora Core 4 PPC install CD, verified the disk and went to the start
of the install procedure. When I got to choosing the keyboard, I got
the following error message:
"The partition's data region doesn't occupy the entire partition."
Then:
"Attempt to read sectors 16-18 outside of partition on /dev/sdb"
Then:
"The partition's data region doesn't occupy the entire partition."
Then:
"Attempt to read sectors 16-18 outside of partition on /dev/sdc"
I kept pressing "ignore" and then finally got to the partitioning
issue. The only choice that looked safe was to try a manual partition
as you are not allowed to choose which drive to automatically
partition (!!!!???). I started to add partitions to "sdb" which is
the drive I want to install Linux on, but then all of a sudden the
kernel bonked out and the system did an emergency exit.
I tried once again on a reboot. This time, all of the places where
choices are made "back", "next" or "select" something were all
flashing in rotation. I got as far as the partition dialog, again
with the same errors, but I didn't dare to go any further, as it was
unclear as to what drives were going to get partitioned :-( (I should
mention that this is the same in YDL.) Very unfortunate interface on
this issue.
Cheers,
Brian
17 years, 10 months
Re: Newbie with Power Mac G5.
by Brian Durant
On 21. jan 2006, at 20.29, Brian D. Carlstrom wrote:
>
> Brian Durant writes:
>> I am new to the list and to Linux. I am trying to find a distro that
>> my G5 doesn't have a revving fan problem with. Here is info on my
>> hardware:
>
> I started out with YDL 4.0 on my PowerMac G5 Dual Processor 2.0GHz
> machine and there were no problems with the fans.
>
> Later I got some 2.5GHz models and 4.0 and 4.0.1 and the fans were
> blaring because of a simple check needed for PowerMac7,2 versus
> PowerMac7,3. I swtiched to FC4 at this point and that fixed my fan
> problems...sort of. At this point I have some 2.7GHz machines that are
> prematurely panicing about overheating, There is a fix for this in
> 2.6.15 for which there is a FC4 updates testing kernel. However, as I
> just reported to the fedora-test-list, for some reason the driver
> doesn't seem to be initialized I'm back to full blaring fans on those
> machines for a while.
>
> One problem I had with FC4 is that I couldn't get it to clean
> install on
> the new machines because of a disk druid problem or something like
> that.
> So I actually installed YDL all the way through the first reboot,
> then I
> turned around and installed FC4. if I tried to reboot just after the
> partion part and not after actual package installation it didn't
> work, I
> think it wasn't flushing the right stuff to disk until the end. I just
> did minimial packge installs to get through it quick.
>
> Now, you have a different model that I have not tried. searching
> through
> my collection of recent FC4 updates and updates-testing kernels
> (which I
> happen to have around because of my own 2.7 GHz problem
> investigation) I
> see that the new windfarm driver is specifically for the PowerMac9,1:
>
> mchammer:~/kernel $ grep 9,1 */*/drivers/macintosh/*.*
> 1823/linux-2.6.15/drivers/macintosh/windfarm_pm91.c: * PowerMac9,1
> 1823/linux-2.6.15/drivers/macintosh/windfarm_pm91.c: if
> (machine_is_compatible("PowerMac9,1"))
> 1823/linux-2.6.15/drivers/macintosh/
> windfarm_pm91.c:MODULE_DESCRIPTION("Thermal control logic for
> PowerMac9,1");
> 1823/linux-2.6.15/drivers/macintosh/windfarm_smu_sensors.c: /*
> Try to use quadratic transforms on PowerMac8,1 and 9,1 for now,
> 1823/linux-2.6.15/drivers/macintosh/
> windfarm_smu_sensors.c: machine_is_compatible
> ("PowerMac9,1")) &&
>
> However, this is the same updates-testing kernel that didn't work for
> me, even though it has the patched therm_pm72.c driver I needed for my
> PowerMac7,2 and PowerMac7,3 machines. But it seems like trying FC4 and
> then doing a "yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update kernel*"
> might get
> you somewhere close.
>
> Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh(a)kernel.crashing.org> is the author for
> most
> of the thermal support for the PowerMacs. I never see him on the
> fedora
> lists. He can be found on linuxppc64-dev and also on debian-powerpc
>
> On my web page (http://carlstrom.com/winunix.html) I have links to the
> various linux/ppc mailing lists such as linuxppc64-dev, fedora-ppc,
> debian-powerpc, and yellowdog-devel if you want to look around the
> archives for PowerMac9,1 stories.
>
> As far as YDL goes, there is a 4.1 release now available for $$$ and
> perhaps the ISO's will be out soon. there was a 4.0.91 beta that
> people
> seemed happy with as far as PowerMac support went. For me, the package
> selection of FC4 is so much better than YDL that I don't want to go
> back.
>
> Good luck,
>
> -bri
>
>
>>
>> Hardware Overview:
>>
>> Machine Name: Power Mac G5
>> Machine Model: PowerMac9,1
>> CPU Type: PowerPC G5 (3.0)
>> Number Of CPUs: 1
>> CPU Speed: 1.8 GHz
>> L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
>> Memory: 1 GB
>> Bus Speed: 600 MHz
>> Boot ROM Version: 5.2.2f2
>>
>> I have tried YDL 4.0.1, but at least during the prep stage, after
>> boot and before the actual install took place, I experienced the
>> problem. This, plus the fact that I couldn't figure out which of my 2
>> internal SATA drives YDL would be installed on. made me bail.
Wow, this is the first really informative response that I have gotten
as per this issue on any PPC Linux list!!!! Please tell me, if I try
to install Fedora Core 4 and do manual partitioning for "sdb" SATA
internal drive #2 on my G5 can I decide which drive to install Fedora
on? I just want to make sure that I don't have to bail because I
think Fedora is going to erase and install on my OS X install drive
"sda".
>> I am in
>> the process of downloading the Fedora Core 4 PPC CD's, so I was
>> wondering if anyone on the list has experienced these problems.
Cheers,
Brian
17 years, 10 months
Re: Newbie with Power Mac G5.
by Brian Durant
On 22. jan 2006, at 0.49, Brian D. Carlstrom wrote:
> Brian Durant writes:
>> If the above works more or less as described, would there be any
>> problems with the OpenFirmware and yaboot if I installed Linux with
>> the OS X drive unplugged, just in case - up in space?
>
> with linux on drive "b" with the "a" drive unplugged? the only
> concern I
> would have is that it might make the /etc/fstab mount tab assuming
> that
> since its the only drive that its the "a" drive. Then again, it should
> know what drive it is from the controller. I don't think you'll break
> anything, and at worst I can imagine that you could just boot and fix
> the /etc/fstab after the fact.
>
> -bri
OK, copy that. I am at this moment writing from my G5 with the
Macintosh HD in the bottom bay (sdb in Linux):
Capacity: 152.67 GB
Model: Maxtor 6Y160M0
Revision: YAR51HW0
Serial Number: Y47HLC5E
Removable Media: No
Detachable Drive: No
BSD Name: disk0
Protocol: ata
Unit Number: 0
Socket Type: Serial-ATA
Bay Name: "B (lower)"
OS9 Drivers: No
S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
Volumes:
Macintosh HD:
Capacity: 152.54 GB
Available: 112.89 GB
Writable: Yes
File System: Journaled HFS+
BSD Name: disk0s3
Mount Point: /
You have to press control-O at the start chimes to get a graphical
interface in OpenFirware and then you can chose which drive to boot
from. I don't know yet if this change "sticks", but I have also gone
into the system prefs and chosen the OS X folder under "startup
disk", just to be on the safe side. I'll try to install Fedora Core 4
PPC with both drives plugged in, in a little while. Hopefully I'll
reply that everything is OK ;-) BTW, the drive switch went OK without
a hitch, but it is a little fiddly until you learn the system. The
drive for the "op" bay has to go in first. You place the back pins in
a track with a roller coaster shape that goes from down to up and
push, until you can lift the front of the drive and slide it into the
top track. The "bottom" drive goes straight in. No sign of "slave" or
"master" pins being used with SATA on my G5 :-)
Cheers,
Brian
17 years, 10 months
Re: Newbie with Power Mac G5.
by Brian D. Carlstrom
Brian Durant writes:
> Here is an interesting posting that I just received. I don't know if
> this can be applied to vanilla Fedora Core PPC, as it looks like it
> is a YDL specific kernel upgrade, but I still thought it might have
> some relevance:
This is web page was about the support for the very first of the new
PowerMac G5 machines. With this fix I got fan support for our 2.0GHz G5,
back when we ran YDL because I thought their Mac focus would mean better
support for such things. note these were kernels from around 2.6.8 and
2.6.9.
However, this was specifically PowerMac7,2 and for PowerMac7,3 I had to
move to FC4 unless I wanted to pay for YDL 4.0.91 beta. For a while I
built my own kernel but I didn't want to keep doing that, applying a
simple patch to add 7,3 support that I got from a benh post somewhere.
As far as your 9,1 system, 2.6.15 was the first place the support was
officially integrated. It is likely that YDL 4.1 might have it when it
comes out, even if its a backport to an older kernel. I'm going to grab
the 4.1 YDL kernels when they are available and try them out. I'm also
going to try and rebuild the FC4 test 2.6.15 kernels to see if I can get
them working properly.
YDL's business was originally focused on Macintosh but with the move to
Apple to Intel, they have moved to PowerPC boxes from other vendors such
IBM and others, as well as moving to a focus on scientific cluster
computing, including layering on top of other peoples x86 linux
solations. So I'm not counting on them for a lot of future support for
the final generation Apple hardware. YDL 4.x was Fedora Core based, so
its not that different that YDL. FC even uses the "yum" package updater
originally from YDL.
The good news is that Linus Torvalds uses one of the dual proc G5's so
you can count on powerpc working well for the near future :)
-bri
17 years, 10 months
Newbie with Power Mac G5.
by Brian Durant
Hi,
I am new to the list and to Linux. I am trying to find a distro that
my G5 doesn't have a revving fan problem with. Here is info on my
hardware:
Hardware Overview:
Machine Name: Power Mac G5
Machine Model: PowerMac9,1
CPU Type: PowerPC G5 (3.0)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 1.8 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 1 GB
Bus Speed: 600 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 5.2.2f2
I have tried YDL 4.0.1, but at least during the prep stage, after
boot and before the actual install took place, I experienced the
problem. This, plus the fact that I couldn't figure out which of my 2
internal SATA drives YDL would be installed on. made me bail. I am in
the process of downloading the Fedora Core 4 PPC CD's, so I was
wondering if anyone on the list has experienced these problems.
Cheers,
Brian
17 years, 10 months
Macromedia Flash+Fedora core 4+Mac mini
by Deepak Seshadri
Hello everybody,
After weeks of struggling with Mac Mini + FC4 + ATI RAdeon 9200 + Dell 2005
FPW, I got the display to work with 1400x1050 resolution. Now, I have ran
into another problem - No FLASH plug-in available for Linux & PPC
architecture. Could someone please point me to any link or resource that
mentions how I can get flash to work with firefox in PPC? I tried looking
for this already but the closest solution I came across was to use the LIVNA
repo in YUM. That didn't work for me.
Any help is appreciated guys,
Regards,
Deepak
17 years, 10 months
OOo crashed on PPC G4
by Leopoldo Olmos
Open Office has crashed on a PPC G4. The following error message was
received:
Video Driver is probably radeon
DESKTOP_SESSION is set to default
libgcj version is libgcj-4.0.2-8.fc4
OpenOffice.org core rpm version is openoffice.org-core-2.0.1-143.2.1
0xf517b98: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libuno_sal.so.3 + 0x27b98
0xf518440: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libuno_sal.so.3 + 0x28440
0x7f86c9e8: ????????
0x1dd5884: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libsvx680lp.so + 0x355884
0x1dd6844: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libsvx680lp.so + 0x356844
0x1dd8198: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libsvx680lp.so + 0x358198
0x1dd8614: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libsvx680lp.so + 0x358614
0x34e4a80: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libsw680lp.so + 0x474a80
0x33f7018: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libsw680lp.so + 0x387018
0x33f73bc: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libsw680lp.so + 0x3873bc
0x33f7c64: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libsw680lp.so + 0x387c64
0x32a2548: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libsw680lp.so + 0x232548
(ViewShell::LayoutIdle() + 0xd4) 0x3521768:
/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libsw680lp.so + 0x4b1768 0x495834:
/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libvcl680lp.so + 0x95834
(Timer::Timeout() + 0x34) 0x495e6c:
/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libvcl680lp.so + 0x95e6c 0xe7512ec:
/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libvclplug_gen680lp.so + 0x522ec
(SalData::Timeout() const + 0x48) 0xe7bcc50:
/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libvclplug_gtk680lp.so + 0x21c50
0x3080b284: /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 + 0x33284 0x30808a94:
/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 + 0x30a94 (g_main_context_dispatch + 0x280)
0x3080cd6c: /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 + 0x34d6c 0x3080d458:
/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 + 0x35458 (g_main_context_iteration + 0x84)
0xe7bca74: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libvclplug_gtk680lp.so +
0x21a74 0xe759a74:
/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libvclplug_gen680lp.so + 0x5aa74
(X11SalInstance::Yield(unsigned char) + 0x40) 0x48d77c:
/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libvcl680lp.so + 0x8d77c
(Application::Yield() + 0x78) 0x48d854:
/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libvcl680lp.so + 0x8d854
(Application::Execute() + 0x70) 0x302823c:
/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libsoffice.so + 0x2823c
(desktop::Desktop::Main() + 0x1028) 0x495220:
/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libvcl680lp.so + 0x95220 0x4952e4:
/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libvcl680lp.so + 0x952e4 (SVMain() +
0x34) 0x301e210: /usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libsoffice.so +
0x1e210 (sal_main + 0x5c) 0x301e2a0:
/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/libsoffice.so + 0x1e2a0 (main + 0x30)
0xfe8b7cc: /lib/libc.so.6 + 0x1b7cc
0xfe8b964: /lib/libc.so.6 + 0x1b964 (__libc_start_main + 0xb4)
Some help would be greatly appreciated
Leopoldo Olmos
17 years, 11 months
openafs on G4 w/core 4
by Peter M. Metcalf
Hello,
New to this project. I have Fedora 4 loaded on a G4 platform. Working
great except I cannot get openafs to build for ppc platform.
Anybody have luck with this?
Pete
17 years, 11 months
