Britt,
Thanks for your reply. Really it boils down to participation and
verification. The packages *are* being built. No package, unless we go
out of our way, can be built on koji for poc64 unless the same package
builds in 32bit. Check koji, I think you will find it true.
Our biggest gap with 32bit stuff now is capability (and interest) in
verifying the installer and bootloader work. The latter is probably the
bigger issue right now as we are trending to grub2 over yaboot. With the
apple HW, grub2 doesn't seem to install quite proper, though we have people
who have manually worked around it. If I was you, and wanted to get
involved, that would be one of the first areas I would look into and ensure
works (read, submit patches if it doesn't). Koji is already doing the
package building, so I think you are fine there.
One thing that has been discussed is if ppc64 and ppc32 should break into
two projects. That might give you more control on output but it also puts
the responsibility in your hands to deliver a Fedora 32bit. Anyways on IRC
we try to be helpful and I will try to help you were I can, but I now also
lack the HW to test outputs.
Brent
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From: Britt Dodd <brittman914(a)gmail.com>
To: thinkingrodent(a)gmail.com,
Cc: ppc(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Date: 07/29/2013 05:01 PM
Subject: Re: PowerPC 32 Bit
Sent by: ppc-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
I have voiced the same on this list, and it was brought to my attention
that in order to have a ppc32 variant of Fedora, packages would have to be
made by individuals running ppc32 equipment. It was noted that while
nothing prevents ppc32 Fedora from working, no verification was done to
ensure the packages would indeed work smoothly. Once I get settled into my
new house, I'll start looking into loading up Fedora and start working on
getting packages built for ppc32.
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Subsentient <thinkingrodent(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi, I noticed that you have ceased to provide 32 Bit PowerPC ISOs. It's
also clear that this was nearly unanimous since you went through with it,
but I am very disappointed.
I understand your reasoning, that 32 Bit PowerPC machines are mostly very
old Apple Macintosh machines, and that's true. I have three of them,
along with other older x86-32 boxes. I often get these machines brought
to me, and they are always running a fossilized version of Mac OS X,
usually Leopard.
Firefox isn't even available for these machines anymore on their native
OS. I love Fedora, and I always have, I left Ubuntu for it back when
Fedora 9 was current and never looked back. To put a Debian base on these
machines, to me, is a travesty, and Debian is all too focused on their
experimental builds that use other kernels right now anyways. I am
writing, obviously enough, in hope that this will make you reconsider
support for 32 bit PowerPC machines. You don't need to offer support of
course. All I ask for is a network installation CD and current packages.
Us PowerPC users are not dead yet, and those old Apple macs can still
prove very very useful as a Linux box, especially as servers, as I know
very well. Please don't abandon users like me who already feel abandoned
by most distributions. I understand if you decide to reaffirm your
position, but your user base for 32 bit PowerPC was significantly larger
than
you know.
Thank you.
-Subsentient
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