When they added the 8 core bundle deal for cyber Monday, it was just too good to pass up. (As I knew I eventually would get one anyway.) So sometime in Spring I'll have a power 9 machine I'll be using as a home server.
I'm curious as to why Fedora has only LE now. Was there a lot more problems with BE or was it a case of not wanting to support two and LE got picked?
Hi Bruno,
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 21:36:43 -0600 Bruno Wolff III bruno@wolff.to wrote:
When they added the 8 core bundle deal for cyber Monday, it was just too good to pass up. (As I knew I eventually would get one anyway.) So sometime in Spring I'll have a power 9 machine I'll be using as a home server.
I'm curious as to why Fedora has only LE now. Was there a lot more problems with BE or was it a case of not wanting to support two and LE got picked? _______________________________________________
primarily we are following upstream (the Linux on Power community) with the decision to focus on ppc64le only. Even the latest F-28 ppc64 missed some features due upstream limitations (eg. the whole golang stack, including whole containerization) and it was most likely going to be worse and it wouldn't follow the pace happening on the LE side.
Welcome in the Fedora on Power community :-)
Dan
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 08:40:44 +0100, Dan Horák dan@danny.cz wrote:
primarily we are following upstream (the Linux on Power community) with the decision to focus on ppc64le only. Even the latest F-28 ppc64 missed some features due upstream limitations (eg. the whole golang stack, including whole containerization) and it was most likely going to be worse and it wouldn't follow the pace happening on the LE side.
I would have expected good code to build on either, though it does seem that unless you can convince a lot of people to build binaries for both that things will coalesce around one type or the other.
Welcome in the Fedora on Power community :-)
I'm thinking of it more as the owner controlled computing community. Fedora on Power just allows taking advantage of more open systems than is currently possible on x86_64 and more powerful systems than you can get with ARM or RISC-V.
I still have a wait. I couldn't afford either Talos II or Talos II Lite, so I need to wait for Blackbird to go into production before I have a system. And I need to save up a bit to buy the rest of the system while I'm waiting. The Blackbird tradeoffs to reduce the price were where I was willing to give up some quality to save money. Though the 8 core cpu seemed a pretty good deal, so I splurged there.
I'm looking forward to being able to do a kernel bisect in less than one day, instead of one day per step, when I have problems with new kernels.
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 04:17:37 -0600 Bruno Wolff III bruno@wolff.to wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 08:40:44 +0100, Dan Horák dan@danny.cz wrote:
primarily we are following upstream (the Linux on Power community) with the decision to focus on ppc64le only. Even the latest F-28 ppc64 missed some features due upstream limitations (eg. the whole golang stack, including whole containerization) and it was most likely going to be worse and it wouldn't follow the pace happening on the LE side.
I would have expected good code to build on either, though it does seem that unless you can convince a lot of people to build binaries for both that things will coalesce around one type or the other.
build != work, also if some upstream simply stops supporting ppc64, then we can do very little about it, when all arches need to be in sync. Or when a compiler doesn't support features we need.
Welcome in the Fedora on Power community :-)
I'm thinking of it more as the owner controlled computing community. Fedora on Power just allows taking advantage of more open systems than is currently possible on x86_64 and more powerful systems than you can get with ARM or RISC-V.
yes, being owner controlled is also an important feature
I still have a wait. I couldn't afford either Talos II or Talos II Lite, so I need to wait for Blackbird to go into production before I have a system. And I need to save up a bit to buy the rest of the system while I'm waiting. The Blackbird tradeoffs to reduce the price were where I was willing to give up some quality to save money. Though the 8 core cpu seemed a pretty good deal, so I splurged there.
I'm looking forward to being able to do a kernel bisect in less than one day, instead of one day per step, when I have problems with new kernels. _______________________________________________
right, it's a powerful platform, being able to rebuild Firefox in 10-15 minutes using a half of the capacity of my Talos is nice :-)
Dan
On Sunday, November 25, 2018, 10:36:43 PM, Bruno Wolf wrote:
When they added the 8 core bundle deal for cyber Monday, it was just too good to pass up. (As I knew I eventually would get one anyway.) So sometime in Spring I'll have a power 9 machine I'll be using as a home server.
I also placed a preorder - 8 core w/ 32GB RAM. I've got 2 Samsung 512GB SSDs and a WD Blank 6TB on order (Black Friday deals from NewEgg.ca, all SATA disk) that will be sitting in a corner waiting for the big day.
I'm curious as to why Fedora has only LE now. Was there a lot more problems with BE or was it a case of not wanting to support two and LE got picked?
I think Java was the package that broke ppc64's back for F29.
The Blackbird's Talos II big brother supports both BE and LE, so my hope is that the new bird continues to do so.
I'm figuring on spending some time in BE mode - both F28 and perhaps Debian. Still playing with my PPC Macs 8^). the author of Ten4Fox describes in his blog how he uses his Talos II for development for BE PPC, so there is still some interest.
Al
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 16:22:56 -0500, Al Dunsmuir al.dunsmuir@sympatico.ca wrote:
On Sunday, November 25, 2018, 10:36:43 PM, Bruno Wolf wrote:
When they added the 8 core bundle deal for cyber Monday, it was just too good to pass up. (As I knew I eventually would get one anyway.) So sometime in Spring I'll have a power 9 machine I'll be using as a home server.
I also placed a preorder - 8 core w/ 32GB RAM. I've got 2 Samsung 512GB SSDs and a WD Blank 6TB on order (Black Friday deals from NewEgg.ca, all SATA disk) that will be sitting in a corner waiting for the big day.
It looks like I'll have an option to turn the order into a server or workstation order when it gets closer to shipping. Otherwise they'll have some sort of compatible parts list to help people complete their systems.
I was probably going to stick to spinning rust for storage, either 2 or 4 disks using raid 1.
On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 6:52:18 PM, Bruno Wolff wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 16:22:56 -0500, Al Dunsmuir al.dunsmuir@sympatico.ca wrote:
On Sunday, November 25, 2018, 10:36:43 PM, Bruno Wolf wrote:
When they added the 8 core bundle deal for cyber Monday, it was just too good to pass up. (As I knew I eventually would get one anyway.) So sometime in Spring I'll have a power 9 machine I'll be using as a home server.
I also placed a preorder - 8 core w/ 32GB RAM. I've got 2 Samsung 512GB SSDs and a WD Blank 6TB on order (Black Friday deals from NewEgg.ca, all SATA disk) that will be sitting in a corner waiting for the big day.
It looks like I'll have an option to turn the order into a server or workstation order when it gets closer to shipping. Otherwise they'll have some sort of compatible parts list to help people complete their systems.
I was probably going to stick to spinning rust for storage, either 2 or 4 disks using raid 1.
Bruno
I figured one SSD each for various LE and BE boot partitions, with the WD black for shared bulk storage. Backups to my main server (x86_64 Fedora - DNS, DHCP, Samba, etc.). Simple ext4 like my other systems.
I'm figuring that the system software will be either the same or a slight variation on the Talos II software. My thought was that add-on hardware should be for the most part be the same, provided it fits the Blackbird PCIe slots.
I'm going for workstation, so I spent some time with the video section of the Talos hardware compatibility list. I hit the tail end of a sale on this unit which seemed to match: https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7RD2WU4041 - ASUS Radeon R7 240, w/ 2GB 128-Bit DDR3, using PCI Express 3.0
Normally I look forward to the end of Winter for Jays Spring Training, but it's a 2-for-1 for 2019! Al
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