#3474: include usb_modeswitch by default

[Fedora Release Engineering]

#3474: include usb_modeswitch by default
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 Reporter:  sundaram  |       Owner:  [e-mail]
     Type:  task      |      Status:  new                            
Milestone:            |   Component:  koji                           
 Keywords:            |  
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 usb_modeswitch is required by a number of popular broadband net
 connections and one example is

http://who-t.blogspot.com/2010/03/vodafone-australia-mobile-broadband-
 and.html

We need to include it by default to provide a better experience out of the
 box

[Fedora Release Engineering]

#3474: include usb_modeswitch by default
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  Reporter:  sundaram  |       Owner:  [e-mail]
      Type:  task      |      Status:  closed                         
 Milestone:            |   Component:  koji                           
Resolution:  invalid   |    Keywords:                                 
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Changes (by notting):

* status:  new => closed
  * resolution:  => invalid

Comment:

I don't see how this is a rel-eng task.

[Fedora Release Engineering]

#3474: include usb_modeswitch by default
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  Reporter:  sundaram  |       Owner:  [e-mail]
      Type:  task      |      Status:  reopened                       
 Milestone:            |   Component:  koji                           
Resolution:            |    Keywords:                                 
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Changes (by sundaram):

* status:  closed => reopened
  * resolution:  invalid =>

Comment:

rel-eng is responsible for deciding what is the default via base/core
 groups in comps and I have filed and processed such requests via rel-eng
 before (fpaste for example) If something changed in between I need to
 understand who is responsible now

[Fedora Release Engineering]

#3474: include usb_modeswitch by default
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  Reporter:  sundaram  |       Owner:  [e-mail]
      Type:  task      |      Status:  closed                         
 Milestone:            |   Component:  koji                           
Resolution:  invalid   |    Keywords:                                 
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Changes (by notting):

* status:  reopened => closed
  * resolution:  => invalid

Comment:

Hit up the devel list.

[Fedora Release Engineering]

#3474: include usb_modeswitch by default
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  Reporter:  sundaram  |       Owner:  [e-mail]
      Type:  task      |      Status:  closed                         
 Milestone:            |   Component:  koji                           
Resolution:  invalid   |    Keywords:                                 
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Comment (by sundaram):

I don't understand this change  I post to devel list and who is
 responsible for the decision if not rel-eng?  I was asked to file a ticket
 here before and I have been following that process and if there is a new
 method to follow can we get that documented somewhere?

[Fedora Release Engineering]

#3474: include usb_modeswitch by default
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  Reporter:  sundaram  |       Owner:  [e-mail]
      Type:  task      |      Status:  closed                         
 Milestone:            |   Component:  koji                           
Resolution:  invalid   |    Keywords:                                 
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Comment (by notting):

Odd, I don't see anything about rel-eng on

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_and_edit_comps.xml_for_package_grou...

[Fedora Release Engineering]

#3474: include usb_modeswitch by default
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  Reporter:  sundaram  |       Owner:  [e-mail]
      Type:  task      |      Status:  closed                         
 Milestone:            |   Component:  koji                           
Resolution:  invalid   |    Keywords:                                 
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Comment (by sundaram):

This sort of cryptic replies are very unhelpful

1) That page does not explain the process of adding a default to base or
 core groups and I am supposed to change things directly?

2) I enquired earlier and was told to file a ticket and followed that
 process and here is how it was done:

https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/2110

If rel-eng team is going to give a different answer everytime it will only
 result in confusion

3) You claim that rel-eng is not responsible but dont explain who is
 responsible

If you want to add the package go ahead and do it or don't   I am not
 willing to be shoved around

[Fedora Release Engineering]

#3474: include usb_modeswitch by default
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  Reporter:  sundaram  |       Owner:  [e-mail]
      Type:  task      |      Status:  closed                         
 Milestone:            |   Component:  koji                           
Resolution:  invalid   |    Keywords:                                 
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Comment (by notting):

Replying to [comment:6 sundaram]:
> This sort of cryptic replies are very unhelpful

I'm sorry. I'm just annoyed that you're saying that it's rel-eng's job by
 a policy that, as far as I can tell, does not exist anywhere other than in
 your head. Having rel-eng maintain the comps is a really bad default.
> That page does not explain the process of adding a default to base or

core groups and I am supposed to change things directly?

packagers have the ability to change it directly. You'll note that in the
 last case *you* made the change, not rel-eng. I've updated the page. It
 does describe core (in short, 'don't'), and talks briefly about other
 changes
 (generate consensus, consult the devel list, file a bug if unsure.)
> I enquired earlier and was told to file a ticket and followed that

process and here is how it was done:
> https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/2110

Where were you told to file a ticket? If I said so, I'm sorry.

[Fedora Release Engineering]

#3474: include usb_modeswitch by default
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  Reporter:  sundaram  |       Owner:  [e-mail]
      Type:  task      |      Status:  closed                         
 Milestone:            |   Component:  koji                           
Resolution:  invalid   |    Keywords:                                 
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Comment (by sundaram):

It exists in my head because I was TOLD that and rel-eng didn't say "not
 my responsibility" when i filed a request last time

I was told to do so in IRC and I only changed it after finding consensus
 from rel-eng and ultimately i believe it is this team's responsibility to
 maintain particular groups within comps (Not comps on the whole)

I am well aware I could change it but changing it arbitrarily wouldn't be
 a good idea and I only want to follow a consistent documented process and
 not be told different things at different times without any explanation

I will post to the list later

[Fedora Release Engineering]

#3474: include usb_modeswitch by default
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  Reporter:  sundaram  |       Owner:  [e-mail]
      Type:  task      |      Status:  closed                         
 Milestone:            |   Component:  koji                           
Resolution:  invalid   |    Keywords:                                 
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Comment (by notting):

Thanks! Please point out other places where that wiki page is unclear, and
 I'll try to fix them.