Harold Grovesteen píše v Pá 11. 12. 2009 v 10:26 -0600:
This was posted on the Hercules list by a fairly frustrated Hercules
user. Can anyone shed some light?
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Subject: [hercules-390] Re: Hercules Issues with Fedora 11 S390X
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:39:24 -0000
From: halfmeg <opplr(a)hotmail.com>
> Dan Horák wrote:
> > halfmeg wrote:
> > So you may be absolutely correct. If you run Fedora Linux,
> > install Hercules via their RPM instead of generic compile from
> > source on any Linux host it may work without difficulty.
> Yes, the script expects that you run Fedora/s390x in Hercules
> packaged in Fedora or in EPEL for RHEL/CentOS, for running on other
> distros it can serve as an inspiration.
Sorry, after tinkering with this for several days now, I am not only not inspired, I am
abandoning it altogether. Not the script but the distribution.
It may be that the s390x version isn't supported as well as the other architectures
or that the need to update x package several times before 'support' for previous
release of the distro is 'officially' discontinued.
I will start with the history a bit and also show our plans for the
future. I hope it will help you understand that the current situation is
only transient before having normal installation media and tested
Fedora/s390x was started as a public Fedora secondary architecture 
this year after effectively being dead for years. There were some
internal rebuilds of Fedora subsets, but they were just bunch of
packages not a full distribution. The last release of a Red Hat-based
distribution for s390/s390x is RHEL-5 almost three years ago with
CentOS-4 being the last community version. Since these days Linux kernel
and all related software packages made many steps forward and the whole
environment is very different than in the past, not to mention that
s390/s390x architecture itself is quite different from the rest.
The current situation is that we are able to build the large majority of
Fedora packages from the same sources as are used for i386, x86_64 or
other architectures and a lot work was done in the anaconda installer,
so it should be possible to start preparing installation medias in the
very near future. To overcome the non-existence of installation medias
we released the DASD image with Fedora 11 pre-installed, to be correct a
RHEL-5 system was used to install the Fedora 11 packages into a chrooted
environment and they were polished a bit to a bootable environment.
There is or was a rpm-4.7.1-1 which according to the Upgrading Fedora
"All Fedora 12 RPM packages use XZ/LZMA compression, which is only supported by the
rpm-4.7.1-1 update (or later) for Fedora 11. Before upgrading from Fedora 11, run yum
I did that last portion there, 'yum update rpm', and wound up in a catch-22
situation. Can't update rpm because it can't deal with the XZ compression.
A 'yum list available rpm-4*' results in only rpm-4.7.1-4.fc12 being available.
So much for installing FTP which is the only thing I wanted anyway.
As described above, we are still in a development phase where answers
from primary Fedora doesn't directly apply. While the described way is
right in general, it must done manually by downloading the right
packages from the buildsystem and updating them with "rpm" before
continuing the upgrade with yum. And there are still few problems during
the upgrade, but all can be resolved easily.
Reading the archive of the Fedora mailing list I spot where someone
used SFTP to get a file into the system. Yeah, yahoo, huraahh!!
I download MVSDASD's tarball, get it on the Fedora environment, looks good so far.
Untar it, wow, moving along nicely. Read the INSTALL file. Create a symlink for the
kernal source directory to /usr/src/linux as MVSDASD uses that directory to access kernel
headers. Enter './configure' and get that is can't find css.h in cio
directory. Hmmm, all the kernel source directories are basically empty. Ok, kernel
headers for 18.104.22.168-191.fc11.s390x probably weren't compressed with XZ, they should
not be a problem to install via yum.
Enter 'yum list available kernel-headers' and receive back that
2.6.31-0.174.rc7.git2.fc12 is the only one available. Since the kernel that is running is
22.214.171.124-191.fc11.s390x, the kernel-headers package isn't going to help any.
The kernel packages packages are designed the way, that only files
in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build should be required by modules living
outside the official kernel, that's how the kernel developers designed
it, not a distributions' invention. I haven't tried to build the MVSDASD
module yet, but I will test it.
According to Fedora, F11 is supported until 1 month after F13 is
released. Attempting to add or update something to it shouldn't be this difficult.
The right stuff may be available somewhere but I don't know how to modify yum
repository info or even find if a s390x version has been uploaded to a repository. The
RPM page for 4.7.1-1 shows several for various cpus, but none for s390x.
The build system is the place that contains all packages ever built for
Fedora/s390x. In the final state the upgrades will work as in primary
Fedora, either using installation media or online using the preupgrade
tool. And yes, the lifetime of 13 months is short for some applications
and that's why RHEL and CentOS exist.
I know this is something of a departure from a purely Hercules
related topic and that my frustration with what should work or be available has come to
the fore in some of the posts.
It is really unfortunate that you didn't try to contact us for some help
using this (fedora-s390x) mailing list, the #fedora-s390x IRC channel
 or privately, because I think we could resolve all the described