Community Linux Working Group as apart of the Open Mainframe Project

[Sarah Julia Kriesch]

Hi,

there is a discussion about the creation of a Community Linux Working Group for all
community Linux distributions runnable on IBM Z.
That is a result of the first step by Debian together with the Open Mainframe Project. I
asked for something equal to that for openSUSE in the next step.
Elizabeth suggested then to convert this idea to one Working Group for all of us and I
want to ask you, whether anybody of the existing s390x team at Fedora wants to join this
discussion.

This Working Group should also provide us better support in the future. We want to have
equality.
Additional ideas are welcome for this next discussion at the TAC meeting, October 14th
2021 at 1:00 pm US Eastern Time.
These TAC meetings are available for such ideas and approvals for the Open Mainframe
Project as part of the Linux Foundation.

In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a Community Representative
in this decision making process.
I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council.

Best regards,
Sarah J. Kriesch

[Rick Troth]

Hi, Sarah, --

I don't fully understand the requirement, but the LINUX390 discussion
list hosted at Marist College (via LISTSERV there) is the primary
community reference for mainframe Linux, including Red Hat, SUSE, and
Debian variants. All of the major distributions have representation in
that email discussion list.

All of the major distributions have a reliable installation package for
"System Z" (formerly "S/390", also "s390x" per
'uname'). There's no lack
of equality. There is sometimes a lack of time or other resources on
part of the participants. But Marist College itself has contributed
significant machine resources to various mainframe Linux projects.

I hope this helps.

-- Rick; <><


On 10/4/21 2:35 PM, Sarah Julia Kriesch wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  there is a discussion about the creation of a Community Linux Working Group for all
> community Linux distributions runnable on IBM Z.
>  That is a result of the first step by Debian together with the Open Mainframe Project. I
> asked for something equal to that for openSUSE in the next step.
>  Elizabeth suggested then to convert this idea to one Working Group for all of us and I
> want to ask you, whether anybody of the existing s390x team at Fedora wants to join this
> discussion.
>
>  This Working Group should also provide us better support in the future. We want to have
> equality.
>  Additional ideas are welcome for this next discussion at the TAC meeting, October 14th
> 2021 at 1:00 pm US Eastern Time.
>  These TAC meetings are available for such ideas and approvals for the Open Mainframe
> Project as part of the Linux Foundation.
>
>  In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a Community Representative
> in this decision making process.
>  I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council.
>
>  Best regards,
>  Sarah J. Kriesch
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[Sarah Julia Kriesch]

Hi Rick,

I do not speak about mailining list support. I speak about better support from IBM or in
general.
That should also ensure us to keep our architecture s390x for our community distributions
up and maintained for the next years.
In my experience, we have to wait really long for bugfixes from IBM at the moment.
The mailing list at Marist College (via LISTSERV there) is more a mailing list for user
support.

Here is the former TAC issue for the Debian Working Group as an example:
https://github.com/openmainframeproject/tac/issues/222 

We can put our ideas together and what we want to have improved for a better development
for s390x.

Best regards,
Sarah
 
 
 

Gesendet: Montag, 04. Oktober 2021 um 20:47 Uhr
Von: "Rick Troth" <rmt(a)casita.net&gt;
An: [e-mail], "Sarah Julia Kriesch"
<ada.lovelace(a)gmx.de&gt;, "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;,
"Ben Cotton" <bcotton(a)redhat.com&gt;
Betreff: Re: Community Linux Working Group as apart of the Open Mainframe Project

Hi, Sarah, --
 
I don't fully understand the requirement, but the LINUX390 discussion list hosted at
Marist College (via LISTSERV there) is the primary community reference for mainframe
Linux, including Red Hat, SUSE, and Debian variants. All of the major distributions have
representation in that email discussion list.
 
All of the major distributions have a reliable installation package for "System
Z" (formerly "S/390", also "s390x" per 'uname').
There's no lack of equality. There is sometimes a lack of time or other resources on
part of the participants. But Marist College itself has contributed significant machine
resources to various mainframe Linux projects.
 
I hope this helps.
 
-- Rick; <><
 
 
On 10/4/21 2:35 PM, Sarah Julia Kriesch wrote:
Hi,

there is a discussion about the creation of a Community Linux Working Group for all
community Linux distributions runnable on IBM Z.
That is a result of the first step by Debian together with the Open Mainframe Project. I
asked for something equal to that for openSUSE in the next step.
Elizabeth suggested then to convert this idea to one Working Group for all of us and I
want to ask you, whether anybody of the existing s390x team at Fedora wants to join this
discussion.

This Working Group should also provide us better support in the future. We want to have
equality.
Additional ideas are welcome for this next discussion at the TAC meeting, October 14th
2021 at 1:00 pm US Eastern Time.
These TAC meetings are available for such ideas and approvals for the Open Mainframe
Project as part of the Linux Foundation.

In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a Community Representative
in this decision making process.
I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council.

Best regards,
Sarah J. Kriesch
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[Matthew Miller]

>  In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a
> Community Representative
>  in this decision making process.
>  I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council. 
Hi Sarah. I would certainly support having someone from the S390x SIG being on such a
working group.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I don't think that person would necessarily need
to be a Fedora Council member, and indeed it's probably better to empower someone
closer to the work.

Does the "Community Working Group" need something formal from us?

[Sarah Julia Kriesch]

Hi Matthew,



>  Gesendet: Montag, den 04.10.2021 um 21:11 Uhr
>  Von: "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  An: s390x(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Betreff: Re: Community Linux Working Group as apart of the Open Mainframe Project
>
>   > In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a Community
> Representative
>  > in this decision making process.
>  > I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council.
>
>  Hi Sarah. I would certainly support having someone from the S390x SIG being on such a
> working group.
>  
That is exactly the reason for sending this email to the s390x mailing list with
you on CC.
I am also a s390x Maintainer at openSUSE. But that is a cooperation topic with decision
making. Therefore, I asked our openSUSE Board.

>  Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I don't think that person
> would necessarily need to be a Fedora Council member, and indeed it's probably better
> to empower someone closer to the work.
>  
Exactly. A s390x Maintainer as a Community Representative would be enough.
>  Does the "Community Working Group" need something formal
> from us? 
We don't need anybody formal, if this person is empowered to improve and decide for
the s390x port of Fedora.
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[Dan Horák]

On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 21:20:48 +0200
Sarah Julia Kriesch <ada.lovelace(a)gmx.de&gt; wrote:

>  Hi Matthew,
>  
>  
>  
>  > Gesendet: Montag, den 04.10.2021 um 21:11 Uhr
>  > Von: "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  > An: s390x(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  > Betreff: Re: Community Linux Working Group as apart of the Open Mainframe Project
>  >
>  >  > In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a Community
> Representative
>  > > in this decision making process.
>  > > I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council.
>  >
>  > Hi Sarah. I would certainly support having someone from the S390x SIG being on such
> a working group.
>  >
>  That is exactly the reason for sending this email to the s390x mailing list with you on
> CC.
>  I am also a s390x Maintainer at openSUSE. But that is a cooperation topic with decision
> making. Therefore, I asked our openSUSE Board.
>  
>  > Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I don't think that person would necessarily
> need to be a Fedora Council member, and indeed it's probably better to empower someone
> closer to the work.
>  >
>  Exactly. A s390x Maintainer as a Community Representative would be enough.
>  > Does the "Community Working Group" need something formal from us?
>  
>  We don't need anybody formal, if this person is empowered to improve and decide for
> the s390x port of Fedora. 
then I should likely volunteer for this as the main Fedora/s390x
maintainer :-) I am already participating on the OMP TAC calls, so I am
aware of the Debian situation and the Community Linux Working Group
sounds like a good idea to me.


		Dan

Aw: Re: Community Linux Working Group as apart of the Open Mainframe Project

[Sarah Julia Kriesch]

>  Gesendet: Dienstag, den 05.10.2021 um 14:19 Uhr
>  Von: "Dan Horák" <dan(a)danny.cz&gt;
>  An: s390x(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Cc: "Sarah Julia Kriesch" <ada.lovelace(a)gmx.de&gt;, "Matthew
> Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Betreff: Re: Community Linux Working Group as apart of the Open Mainframe Project
>  
>  On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 21:20:48 +0200
>  Sarah Julia Kriesch <ada.lovelace(a)gmx.de&gt; wrote:
>  
>  > Hi Matthew,
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > > Gesendet: Montag, den 04.10.2021 um 21:11 Uhr
>  > > Von: "Matthew Miller" <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  > > An: s390x(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  > > Betreff: Re: Community Linux Working Group as apart of the Open Mainframe
> Project
>  > >
>  > >  > In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a
> Community Representative
>  > > > in this decision making process.
>  > > > I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council.
>  > >
>  > > Hi Sarah. I would certainly support having someone from the S390x SIG being on
> such a working group.
>  > >
>  > That is exactly the reason for sending this email to the s390x mailing list with you
> on CC.
>  > I am also a s390x Maintainer at openSUSE. But that is a cooperation topic with
> decision making. Therefore, I asked our openSUSE Board.
>  > 
>  > > Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I don't think that person would
> necessarily need to be a Fedora Council member, and indeed it's probably better to
> empower someone closer to the work.
>  > >
>  > Exactly. A s390x Maintainer as a Community Representative would be enough.
>  > > Does the "Community Working Group" need something formal from us?
>  > 
>  > We don't need anybody formal, if this person is empowered to improve and decide
> for the s390x port of Fedora.
>  
>  then I should likely volunteer for this as the main Fedora/s390x
>  maintainer :-) I am already participating on the OMP TAC calls, so I am
>  aware of the Debian situation and the Community Linux Working Group
>  sounds like a good idea to me.
>   
Thank you! Then I will add you into our current conversation today in the evening.
😊
>  
>  		Dan 
Best regards 
Sarah
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[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 02:19:37PM +0200, Dan Horák wrote:
>  then I should likely volunteer for this as the main Fedora/s390x
>  maintainer :-) I am already participating on the OMP TAC calls, so I am 
Well, I didn't want to _directly_ shove you under the bus. But, since you're
jumping, awesome. :)

Let me know if you need any Fedora Council support or anything.


-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Neale Ferguson]

I'm happy to be part of this.

Neale Ferguson

On 10/5/21, 04:35, "Sarah Julia Kriesch" <ada.lovelace(a)gmx.de&gt; wrote:

    Hi,

    there is a discussion about the creation of a Community Linux Working Group for all
community Linux distributions runnable on IBM Z.
    That is a result of the first step by Debian together with the Open Mainframe Project.
I asked for something equal to that for openSUSE in the next step.
    Elizabeth suggested then to convert this idea to one Working Group for all of us and I
want to ask you, whether anybody of the existing s390x team at Fedora wants to join this
discussion.

    This Working Group should also provide us better support in the future. We want to
have equality.
    Additional ideas are welcome for this next discussion at the TAC meeting, October 14th
2021 at 1:00 pm US Eastern Time.
    These TAC meetings are available for such ideas and approvals for the Open Mainframe
Project as part of the Linux Foundation.

    In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a Community
Representative in this decision making process.
    I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council.

    Best regards,
    Sarah J. Kriesch
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