Hi,
there is a discussion about the creation of a Community Linux Working Group for all community Linux distributions runnable on IBM Z. That is a result of the first step by Debian together with the Open Mainframe Project. I asked for something equal to that for openSUSE in the next step. Elizabeth suggested then to convert this idea to one Working Group for all of us and I want to ask you, whether anybody of the existing s390x team at Fedora wants to join this discussion.
This Working Group should also provide us better support in the future. We want to have equality. Additional ideas are welcome for this next discussion at the TAC meeting, October 14th 2021 at 1:00 pm US Eastern Time. These TAC meetings are available for such ideas and approvals for the Open Mainframe Project as part of the Linux Foundation.
In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a Community Representative in this decision making process. I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council.
Best regards, Sarah J. Kriesch
Hi, Sarah, --
I don't fully understand the requirement, but the LINUX390 discussion list hosted at Marist College (via LISTSERV there) is the primary community reference for mainframe Linux, including Red Hat, SUSE, and Debian variants. All of the major distributions have representation in that email discussion list.
All of the major distributions have a reliable installation package for "System Z" (formerly "S/390", also "s390x" per 'uname'). There's no lack of equality. There is sometimes a lack of time or other resources on part of the participants. But Marist College itself has contributed significant machine resources to various mainframe Linux projects.
I hope this helps.
-- Rick; <><
On 10/4/21 2:35 PM, Sarah Julia Kriesch wrote:
Hi,
there is a discussion about the creation of a Community Linux Working Group for all community Linux distributions runnable on IBM Z. That is a result of the first step by Debian together with the Open Mainframe Project. I asked for something equal to that for openSUSE in the next step. Elizabeth suggested then to convert this idea to one Working Group for all of us and I want to ask you, whether anybody of the existing s390x team at Fedora wants to join this discussion.
This Working Group should also provide us better support in the future. We want to have equality. Additional ideas are welcome for this next discussion at the TAC meeting, October 14th 2021 at 1:00 pm US Eastern Time. These TAC meetings are available for such ideas and approvals for the Open Mainframe Project as part of the Linux Foundation.
In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a Community Representative in this decision making process. I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council.
Best regards, Sarah J. Kriesch _______________________________________________ s390x mailing list -- s390x@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to s390x-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/s390x@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Hi Rick,
I do not speak about mailining list support. I speak about better support from IBM or in general. That should also ensure us to keep our architecture s390x for our community distributions up and maintained for the next years. In my experience, we have to wait really long for bugfixes from IBM at the moment. The mailing list at Marist College (via LISTSERV there) is more a mailing list for user support.
Here is the former TAC issue for the Debian Working Group as an example: https://github.com/openmainframeproject/tac/issues/222
We can put our ideas together and what we want to have improved for a better development for s390x.
Best regards, Sarah
Gesendet: Montag, 04. Oktober 2021 um 20:47 Uhr Von: "Rick Troth" rmt@casita.net An: s390x@lists.fedoraproject.org, "Sarah Julia Kriesch" ada.lovelace@gmx.de, "Matthew Miller" mattdm@fedoraproject.org, "Ben Cotton" bcotton@redhat.com Betreff: Re: Community Linux Working Group as apart of the Open Mainframe Project
Hi, Sarah, -- I don't fully understand the requirement, but the LINUX390 discussion list hosted at Marist College (via LISTSERV there) is the primary community reference for mainframe Linux, including Red Hat, SUSE, and Debian variants. All of the major distributions have representation in that email discussion list. All of the major distributions have a reliable installation package for "System Z" (formerly "S/390", also "s390x" per 'uname'). There's no lack of equality. There is sometimes a lack of time or other resources on part of the participants. But Marist College itself has contributed significant machine resources to various mainframe Linux projects. I hope this helps. -- Rick; <>< On 10/4/21 2:35 PM, Sarah Julia Kriesch wrote: Hi,
there is a discussion about the creation of a Community Linux Working Group for all community Linux distributions runnable on IBM Z. That is a result of the first step by Debian together with the Open Mainframe Project. I asked for something equal to that for openSUSE in the next step. Elizabeth suggested then to convert this idea to one Working Group for all of us and I want to ask you, whether anybody of the existing s390x team at Fedora wants to join this discussion.
This Working Group should also provide us better support in the future. We want to have equality. Additional ideas are welcome for this next discussion at the TAC meeting, October 14th 2021 at 1:00 pm US Eastern Time. These TAC meetings are available for such ideas and approvals for the Open Mainframe Project as part of the Linux Foundation.
In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a Community Representative in this decision making process. I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council.
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In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a Community Representative in this decision making process. I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council.
Hi Sarah. I would certainly support having someone from the S390x SIG being on such a working group.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I don't think that person would necessarily need to be a Fedora Council member, and indeed it's probably better to empower someone closer to the work.
Does the "Community Working Group" need something formal from us?
Hi Matthew,
Gesendet: Montag, den 04.10.2021 um 21:11 Uhr Von: "Matthew Miller" mattdm@fedoraproject.org An: s390x@lists.fedoraproject.org Betreff: Re: Community Linux Working Group as apart of the Open Mainframe Project
In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a Community Representative in this decision making process. I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council.
Hi Sarah. I would certainly support having someone from the S390x SIG being on such a working group.
That is exactly the reason for sending this email to the s390x mailing list with you on CC. I am also a s390x Maintainer at openSUSE. But that is a cooperation topic with decision making. Therefore, I asked our openSUSE Board.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I don't think that person would necessarily need to be a Fedora Council member, and indeed it's probably better to empower someone closer to the work.
Exactly. A s390x Maintainer as a Community Representative would be enough.
Does the "Community Working Group" need something formal from us?
We don't need anybody formal, if this person is empowered to improve and decide for the s390x port of Fedora. ____________________________________________
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 21:20:48 +0200 Sarah Julia Kriesch ada.lovelace@gmx.de wrote:
Hi Matthew,
Gesendet: Montag, den 04.10.2021 um 21:11 Uhr Von: "Matthew Miller" mattdm@fedoraproject.org An: s390x@lists.fedoraproject.org Betreff: Re: Community Linux Working Group as apart of the Open Mainframe Project
In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a Community Representative in this decision making process. I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council.
Hi Sarah. I would certainly support having someone from the S390x SIG being on such a working group.
That is exactly the reason for sending this email to the s390x mailing list with you on CC. I am also a s390x Maintainer at openSUSE. But that is a cooperation topic with decision making. Therefore, I asked our openSUSE Board.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I don't think that person would necessarily need to be a Fedora Council member, and indeed it's probably better to empower someone closer to the work.
Exactly. A s390x Maintainer as a Community Representative would be enough.
Does the "Community Working Group" need something formal from us?
We don't need anybody formal, if this person is empowered to improve and decide for the s390x port of Fedora.
then I should likely volunteer for this as the main Fedora/s390x maintainer :-) I am already participating on the OMP TAC calls, so I am aware of the Debian situation and the Community Linux Working Group sounds like a good idea to me.
Dan
Gesendet: Dienstag, den 05.10.2021 um 14:19 Uhr Von: "Dan Horák" dan@danny.cz An: s390x@lists.fedoraproject.org Cc: "Sarah Julia Kriesch" ada.lovelace@gmx.de, "Matthew Miller" mattdm@fedoraproject.org Betreff: Re: Community Linux Working Group as apart of the Open Mainframe Project
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 21:20:48 +0200 Sarah Julia Kriesch ada.lovelace@gmx.de wrote:
Hi Matthew,
Gesendet: Montag, den 04.10.2021 um 21:11 Uhr Von: "Matthew Miller" mattdm@fedoraproject.org An: s390x@lists.fedoraproject.org Betreff: Re: Community Linux Working Group as apart of the Open Mainframe Project
In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a Community Representative in this decision making process. I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council.
Hi Sarah. I would certainly support having someone from the S390x SIG being on such a working group.
That is exactly the reason for sending this email to the s390x mailing list with you on CC. I am also a s390x Maintainer at openSUSE. But that is a cooperation topic with decision making. Therefore, I asked our openSUSE Board.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I don't think that person would necessarily need to be a Fedora Council member, and indeed it's probably better to empower someone closer to the work.
Exactly. A s390x Maintainer as a Community Representative would be enough.
Does the "Community Working Group" need something formal from us?
We don't need anybody formal, if this person is empowered to improve and decide for the s390x port of Fedora.
then I should likely volunteer for this as the main Fedora/s390x maintainer :-) I am already participating on the OMP TAC calls, so I am aware of the Debian situation and the Community Linux Working Group sounds like a good idea to me.
Thank you! Then I will add you into our current conversation today in the evening. 😊
Dan
Best regards Sarah
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On Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 02:19:37PM +0200, Dan Horák wrote:
then I should likely volunteer for this as the main Fedora/s390x maintainer :-) I am already participating on the OMP TAC calls, so I am
Well, I didn't want to _directly_ shove you under the bus. But, since you're jumping, awesome. :)
Let me know if you need any Fedora Council support or anything.
I'm happy to be part of this.
Neale Ferguson
On 10/5/21, 04:35, "Sarah Julia Kriesch" ada.lovelace@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
there is a discussion about the creation of a Community Linux Working Group for all community Linux distributions runnable on IBM Z. That is a result of the first step by Debian together with the Open Mainframe Project. I asked for something equal to that for openSUSE in the next step. Elizabeth suggested then to convert this idea to one Working Group for all of us and I want to ask you, whether anybody of the existing s390x team at Fedora wants to join this discussion.
This Working Group should also provide us better support in the future. We want to have equality. Additional ideas are welcome for this next discussion at the TAC meeting, October 14th 2021 at 1:00 pm US Eastern Time. These TAC meetings are available for such ideas and approvals for the Open Mainframe Project as part of the Linux Foundation.
In my case, I asked our openSUSE Board for being allowed to be a Community Representative in this decision making process. I would suggest you to do that equal with the Fedora Council.
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