Package group: scitech_sig or scitech-sig?

[Jun Aruga]

It's a small thing.

Seeing the list of the package groups,
https://koschei.fedoraproject.org/groups

I noticed the package group name that means the SIG is "*-sig" except
scitech_sig ("*-sig").
Only "scitech_sig" is underscore.
Shall we change the group name from "scitech_sig" to "scitech-sig"?

[Ankur Sinha]

On Sun, Mar 01, 2020 02:19:56 +0100, Jun Aruga wrote:
> It's a small thing.
>
> Seeing the list of the package groups,
> https://koschei.fedoraproject.org/groups
>
> I noticed the package group name that means the SIG is "*-sig" except
> scitech_sig ("*-sig").
> Only "scitech_sig" is underscore.
> Shall we change the group name from "scitech_sig" to "scitech-sig"?

There was already a non packager scitech-sig group and it was not
trivial to change it to a packager group, which is why we had to settle
for a new scitech_sig FAS group for packages.

More information here:
https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8413

[Jun Aruga]

> There was already a non packager scitech-sig group and it was not
> trivial to change it to a packager group, which is why we had to settle
> for a new scitech_sig FAS group for packages.
>
> More information here:
> https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8413

In my understanding, what I mentioned for
https://koschei.fedoraproject.org/groups is not FAS group.
The group I mentioned is just to group the RPM packages.

https://koschei.fedoraproject.org/groups/ruby-rails
For example there is a "ruby-rails" group.

https://developer.fedoraproject.org/tech/languages/ruby/ror-installation.htm...
> $ sudo dnf group install 'Ruby on Rails'

It is used for the group install.
"ruby-rails" group has the name attribute 'Ruby on Rails'.

[Ankur Sinha]

On Sun, Mar 01, 2020 17:48:09 +0100, Jun Aruga wrote:
> > There was already a non packager scitech-sig group and it was not
> > trivial to change it to a packager group, which is why we had to settle
> > for a new scitech_sig FAS group for packages.
> >
> > More information here:
> > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8413
>
> In my understanding, what I mentioned for
> https://koschei.fedoraproject.org/groups is not FAS group.
> The group I mentioned is just to group the RPM packages.
>
> https://koschei.fedoraproject.org/groups/ruby-rails
> For example there is a "ruby-rails" group.
>
> https://developer.fedoraproject.org/tech/languages/ruby/ror-installation.htm...
> > $ sudo dnf group install 'Ruby on Rails'
>
> It is used for the group install.
> "ruby-rails" group has the name attribute 'Ruby on Rails'.

No, if I'm reading you correctly, I'm afraid you've misunderstood how
dnf groups work.  The dnf groups are defined separately, manually in
comps: https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_and_edit_comps.xml_for_package_gro...

A dnf package group has no link to the FAS group, the group on src.fp.o
(dist-git group), or the group on Koschei. We used the same scitech_sig
name for the koschei group simply because that is the name of the FAS
packager group and is also therefore, the name of the dist-git group.

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/scitech_sig
https://src.fedoraproject.org/group/scitech_sig
https://koschei.fedoraproject.org/groups/scitech_sig

The koschei group is independent of the FAS and dist-git groups by
default. I requested that infra add a script so that all packages in our
dist-git group are automatically added to the koschei group to make it
convenient for us:

https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8678

All of this is only for package maintainers, and is not exposed to
end-users via dnf or other tools at all.

[Jun Aruga]

> No, if I'm reading you correctly, I'm afraid you've misunderstood how
> dnf groups work.  The dnf groups are defined separately, manually in
> comps: https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_and_edit_comps.xml_for_package_gro...
> ...<snip>...

Hi Ankur, I did not know that, or forget it.
Thank you for explaining it.
> The koschei group is independent of the FAS and dist-git groups by
> default. I requested that infra add a script so that all packages in our
> dist-git group are automatically added to the koschei group to make it
> convenient for us:

Sure. Alright.
Scitech SIG is keeping the dist-git group and koschei group as a same name.

I wondered it as the case that I know was only for Ruby SIG.

The dist-git group: ruby-sig (non packager group) and
ruby-packagers-sig (packager group)
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/ruby-sig
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/ruby-packagers-sig

The koschei group for Ruby SIG is only ruby-rails.
https://koschei.fedoraproject.org/groups/ruby-rails

Jun

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 6:18 PM Ankur Sinha  wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 01, 2020 17:48:09 +0100, Jun Aruga wrote:
> > > There was already a non packager scitech-sig group and it was not
> > > trivial to change it to a packager group, which is why we had to settle
> > > for a new scitech_sig FAS group for packages.
> > >
> > > More information here:
> > > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8413
> >
> > In my understanding, what I mentioned for
> > https://koschei.fedoraproject.org/groups is not FAS group.
> > The group I mentioned is just to group the RPM packages.
> >
> > https://koschei.fedoraproject.org/groups/ruby-rails
> > For example there is a "ruby-rails" group.
> >
> > https://developer.fedoraproject.org/tech/languages/ruby/ror-installation.htm...
> > > $ sudo dnf group install 'Ruby on Rails'
> >
> > It is used for the group install.
> > "ruby-rails" group has the name attribute 'Ruby on Rails'.
>
> No, if I'm reading you correctly, I'm afraid you've misunderstood how
> dnf groups work.  The dnf groups are defined separately, manually in
> comps: https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_and_edit_comps.xml_for_package_gro...
>
> A dnf package group has no link to the FAS group, the group on src.fp.o
> (dist-git group), or the group on Koschei. We used the same scitech_sig
> name for the koschei group simply because that is the name of the FAS
> packager group and is also therefore, the name of the dist-git group.
>
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/scitech_sig
> https://src.fedoraproject.org/group/scitech_sig
> https://koschei.fedoraproject.org/groups/scitech_sig
>
> The koschei group is independent of the FAS and dist-git groups by
> default. I requested that infra add a script so that all packages in our
> dist-git group are automatically added to the koschei group to make it
> convenient for us:
>
> https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8678
>
> All of this is only for package maintainers, and is not exposed to
> end-users via dnf or other tools at all.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Regards,
> Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD" (He / Him / His) | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha
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