Accepted Talks for Flock 2016 - Input Requested
by Stephen Gallagher
I just received notification that three sessions that I submitted around Fedora
Server have been accepted:
* State of the Fedora Server Union
* Server SIG Pow-Wow
* Build Your First Server Role
As I've basically withdrawn from the Server Working Group, I think it would be
better if someone else took over giving the State of the Fedora Server Union
talk (I think it's important to have it, but I doubt I'm necessarily the right
person to do so at this point.) Volunteers welcome.
I'm happy to run the Server SIG Pow-Wow, which should basically just be a
brainstorming session for what the Server SIG wants to focus on for the
following year. I don't mind playing moderator on that.
I'm not sure what to do about the "Build Your First Server Role" session. Given
that things are in flux around rolekit and/or replacing it with other
technologies, I think it will be difficult to plan for it. The rolekit rewrite
is not complete and I have real doubt that it will be done in time for the
conference, particularly if we're going to refocus on a different solution. I
guess I'm leaning towards canceling this talk and giving the space back to some
other group. However, if the Server WG settles on a new approach, maybe it would
be good to do a workshop on *that* instead.
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Self-introduction (timrees)
by Timothy Rees
Hi all,
I stated chipping in on another thread and realised that I haven't
really properly introduced myself, so here goes...
I've been lurking on the fedora server-wg mailing list for a long
while and, thus far, failed to prioritize my time to get engaged and
make contributions. Going forward I wish to roll up my sleeves and
rectify this...
So hello! my name is Tim Rees and I'm located in Frankfurt, Germany.
I've a background of engineering and support in the enterprise, skills
are predominantly in the realms of Servers and Linux. I'm currently
working for a well known provider of enterprise linux and based day to
day at a partner location, this is @ SAP Walldorf.
My goal as part of this is to contribute to the sever spin in general,
however I would like to also focus on a virtualization host role. The
requirement, feasibility and scope is of course yet to be determined -
but from a previous mail thread their seems to be some support for
this.
In the short term I'm going to start digging into the defining
characteristics of the server roles and what the wg criteria is, as
well as testing the existing IPA one. Please feel free to ping me if
you have any questions, timrees on Freenode, @reestr on Twitter. I'll
update details on the Fedora wiki in due course.
Cheers,
Tim
7 years, 4 months
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Server SIG Weekly Meeting Minutes (2016-05-10)
by Dan Mossor
===================================================================
#fedora-meeting-1: Server Working Group Weekly Meeting (2016-05-10)
===================================================================
Meeting started by danofsatx at 15:01:40 UTC. The full logs are
available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2016-05-10/server_work...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* Agenda (danofsatx, 15:02:12)
* 1. Roll Call (danofsatx, 15:02:14)
* 1. Fedora 24 Beta released (danofsatx, 15:02:15)
* 2. Wiki Gardening (danofsatx, 15:02:17)
* 3. Fedora 25 Ideas (danofsatx, 15:02:18)
* Roll Call (danofsatx, 15:02:20)
* zodbot is buried under a proxy. (danofsatx, 15:08:20)
* Fedora 24 Beta Released (danofsatx, 15:09:28)
* LINK: https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-24-beta-released/
(danofsatx, 15:09:40)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_24_Beta_1.6_Server?rd=...
(danofsatx, 15:10:28)
* LINK:
https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/24/final/buglist
(danofsatx, 15:12:33)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330766
(danofsatx, 15:15:03)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1314637
(danofsatx, 15:15:59)
* Wiki Gardening (danofsatx, 15:18:00)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server (danofsatx, 15:18:25)
* ACTION: linuxmodder to update the Fedora Server wiki page
(danofsatx, 15:25:02)
* Fedora 25 Ideas (danofsatx, 15:25:24)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/25/Schedule
(danofsatx, 15:25:33)
* LINK:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject....
(danofsatx, 15:25:41)
* Server WG should investigate the retirement of rolekit and
transition to a configuration management system such as ansible
(danofsatx, 15:38:56)
* ACTION: hanthana to write up a blog post survey for roles.
linuxmodder and danofsatx to review/edit. (danofsatx, 15:53:23)
* Open Floor (danofsatx, 15:59:18)
Meeting ended at 16:06:21 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* linuxmodder to update the Fedora Server wiki page
* hanthana to write up a blog post survey for roles. linuxmodder and
danofsatx to review/edit.
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* danofsatx
* hanthana to write up a blog post survey for roles. linuxmodder and
danofsatx to review/edit.
* hanthana
* hanthana to write up a blog post survey for roles. linuxmodder and
danofsatx to review/edit.
* linuxmodder
* linuxmodder to update the Fedora Server wiki page
* hanthana to write up a blog post survey for roles. linuxmodder and
danofsatx to review/edit.
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* danofsatx (87)
* hanthana (22)
* linuxmodder (20)
* sgallagh (13)
* zodbot (11)
* nb (4)
* mjwolf (2)
* mhayden (1)
* adamw (0)
* nirik (0)
* jds2001 (0)
* stefw (0)
* simi (0)
15:01:40 <danofsatx> #startmeeting Server Working Group Weekly Meeting
(2016-05-10)
15:01:40 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue May 10 15:01:40 2016 UTC. The
chair is danofsatx. Information about MeetBot at
http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:01:40 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea
#link #topic.
15:01:40 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to
'server_working_group_weekly_meeting_(2016-05-10)'
15:01:55 <danofsatx> #chair danofsatx nirik stefw adamw simi mhayden
jds2001 mjwolf hanthana
15:01:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw danofsatx hanthana jds2001
mhayden mjwolf nirik simi stefw
15:02:12 <danofsatx> #topic Agenda
15:02:14 <danofsatx> #info 1. Roll Call
15:02:15 <danofsatx> #info 1. Fedora 24 Beta released
15:02:16 * linuxmodder here
15:02:17 <danofsatx> #info 2. Wiki Gardening
15:02:18 <danofsatx> #info 3. Fedora 25 Ideas
15:02:20 <danofsatx> #topic Roll Call
15:02:22 <linuxmodder> .hello linuxmodder
15:02:22 <danofsatx> .hello dmossor
15:02:38 <hanthana> .hello snavin
15:02:53 <hanthana> .fas snavin
15:02:53 <mjwolf> .hello mjwolf
15:03:02 <linuxmodder> zodbot is hanging itself today
15:03:03 <linuxmodder> :(
15:03:13 <danofsatx> ping zodbot
15:03:13 <linuxmodder> hanthana, its zodbot not you
15:04:41 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon'
<sheldon.corey(a)openmailbox.org>
15:05:15 <hanthana> linuxmodder, ok :)
15:05:18 <linuxmodder> 2 mins lag on zodbot can someone say zodbot is
under load
15:05:30 <linuxmodder> or the bw is one or the other
15:05:36 <danofsatx> nirik just said bunch of stuff is borked due to
proxy issue
15:06:40 <zodbot> danofsatx: Something blew up, please try again
15:06:55 <danofsatx> .hello dmossor
15:07:13 * danofsatx waits for the boom
15:08:00 <mhayden> .hello mhayden
15:08:20 <danofsatx> #info zodbot is buried under a proxy.
15:08:52 <zodbot> hanthana: snavin 'Danishka Navin' <danishka(a)gmail.com>
15:08:55 <zodbot> hanthana: snavin 'Danishka Navin' <danishka(a)gmail.com>
15:09:15 <danofsatx> anyway, lets see if the meetbot controls still work
and carry on...
15:09:28 <danofsatx> #topic Fedora 24 Beta Released
15:09:40 <danofsatx> #link
https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-24-beta-released/
15:09:57 <danofsatx> F24 Beta was released today. Thanks to all the devs
and testers that put it together.
15:10:09 <danofsatx> Final testing can be tracked at:
15:10:22 <danofsatx> Final testing can be tracked at:
15:10:28 <danofsatx> #link
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_24_Beta_1.6_Server?rd=...
15:10:30 * linuxmodder is seeding most of 24 beta
15:10:55 <zodbot> mjwolf: mjwolf 'Michael Wolf' <mjwolf(a)us.ibm.com>
15:11:04 <danofsatx> The respins seeder group is generally seeding the
Betas as of this morning, also.
15:11:17 <danofsatx> At least, linuxmodder and myself are.
15:12:33 <danofsatx> #link
https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/24/final/buglist
15:12:57 <linuxmodder> only x64 tho for me
15:13:15 <danofsatx> ^^ is the current list of Final blockers and Freeze
Exceptions. Any assistance with either fixing these or testing the fixes
will be greatly appreciated by the QA team.
15:13:49 <linuxmodder> danofsatx, the full seeder group is southern was
first and nb has picked up the desktops at least
15:14:12 * linuxmodder looks at final blockers
15:14:50 <danofsatx> looks like only a realmd and selinux issues are the
only ones affecting Server.
15:15:03 <danofsatx> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330766
15:15:16 <zodbot> danofsatx: dmossor 'Dan Mossor' <danofsatx(a)gmail.com>
15:15:25 <zodbot> mhayden: mhayden 'Major Hayden' <major(a)mhtx.net>
15:15:36 <linuxmodder> selinux fun I'll look at that one
15:15:41 <danofsatx> oh, wow...thanks for playing zodbot
15:15:59 <danofsatx> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1314637
15:16:11 <danofsatx> anything else for F24?
15:17:53 <danofsatx> moving on...
15:18:00 <danofsatx> #topic Wiki Gardening
15:18:25 <danofsatx> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server
15:19:03 <danofsatx> We have two new members of the WG, mjwolf and
hanthana. Y'all need to add yourself to the wiki page. mizmo needs to
remove herself ;)
15:19:15 <nb> linuxmodder, huh?
15:19:18 <nb> nb doesn't have a seeder
15:19:27 <hanthana> danofsatx, ok
15:19:43 <mjwolf> danofsatx ok will do
15:19:46 <nb> how does someone join the Server WG?
15:20:51 <danofsatx> nb: Anyone can join the SIG just by attending
meetings, following ML, and hanging out in #fedora-server. To become a
voting member of the WG, you must be elected to the position.
15:21:00 <linuxmodder> nb, swore you did
15:21:26 <linuxmodder> nb, usual fas route :)
15:21:31 <danofsatx> last week, mjwolf and hanthana were elected to
replace our dearly departed leader, sgallagh and mizmo
15:22:11 <nb> oh
15:22:17 <sgallagh> /me isn't dead.
15:22:21 <danofsatx> in regards to the Wiki Gardening, as was brought up
on the ML, we do need to create a "Joining" page for Fedora Server
15:22:40 <danofsatx> sgallagh: ;)
15:23:28 <danofsatx> Also, in perusing the Fedora Server wiki page, I
noticed that it was way out of date. It needs to be updated with current
info. Do we have any volunteers?
15:24:16 <linuxmodder> danofsatx, I can add that to my roundof docs
/wiki edits
15:25:02 <danofsatx> #action linuxmodder to update the Fedora Server
wiki page
15:25:24 <danofsatx> #topic Fedora 25 Ideas
15:25:33 <danofsatx> #link
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/25/Schedule
15:25:38 <linuxmodder> anyone with specific edits in mind find me
here or on the ML with requests /comments
15:25:41 <danofsatx> #link
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject....
15:26:15 <danofsatx> So, F24 is in Beta which means our planning work is
pretty much done - it's all loose ends from here until release.
15:26:40 <danofsatx> In regards to nirik's recent email, we should start
looking ahead to F25 at this point.
15:27:35 <danofsatx> Our major issue is that with sgallagh's
reassignment, we no longer have a person dedicated to rolekit. Without
someone babysitting it, I fear that it will not progress to where we
want it to be.
15:27:42 * danofsatx doesn't have the required skills to do it
15:28:58 <danofsatx> The big thing to come out of the thread is "MOAR
ROLES!"
15:29:44 <danofsatx> I know that sgallagh and stefw were working on
building a nice API for rolekit so the roles would be extremely easy to
create. I, however, do not know the current status of that.
15:30:12 <danofsatx> mattdm wants to have a role in place for "90%" of
what people would deploy - the question is, how do we identify that 90%?
15:30:48 <danofsatx> We already had targets for WWW and email servers,
and I beleive someone floated the idea of a DHCP/DNS server role
15:31:04 <danofsatx> oh, and a file server role was proposed, also
15:32:03 <hanthana> LDAP/SAMBA ?
15:32:23 <danofsatx> Well, LDAP is taken care of via FreeIPA.
15:32:51 <danofsatx> The file server (as proposed) was to simply set up
a samba and (kerberized) nfs server.
15:33:35 <hanthana> danofsatx, shall we run a survey among Fedora
(Server) users and find what exactly they need?
15:34:03 <danofsatx> Yes, that would be a good idea.
15:34:23 <danofsatx> linuxmodder: would this be a good idea to push out
via Magazine?
15:34:28 <hanthana> we can target it with F24 release if possible
15:34:37 <danofsatx> F25
15:34:38 <linuxmodder> what ? d/c 'd briefly
15:34:59 <danofsatx> A survey to discover what roles are desired in
Fedora Server
15:35:16 <danofsatx> and you need to get a bouncer ;)
15:35:25 <linuxmodder> ah the rolekit thing sure blog pointer and a
full mag artiicle even
15:35:26 <hanthana> no mean, if we do an early survey we can out better F25
15:36:30 <hanthana> s/no mean/no, I mean
15:36:51 <danofsatx> oh, yes - Change proposals for F25 are due 2016-07-05
15:37:04 <sgallagh> I should also point out that Server is not required
to continue using/developing rolekit. For example, maybe the
requirements might be better served with something like ansible
15:37:20 <danofsatx> Which means we have roughly 7 weeks to put things
together.
15:37:40 <danofsatx> sgallagh: good idea.
15:38:34 <linuxmodder> lost me on the ansible part
15:38:44 <linuxmodder> using ansible in place of rolekit ?
15:38:49 <sgallagh> rolekit was originally designed as it was so that it
would theoretically be easy to plug into Cockpit.
15:38:56 <danofsatx> #info Server WG should investigate the retirement
of rolekit and transition to a configuration management system such as
ansible
15:39:07 <hanthana> moreover, we can ask user to tweet with a specific
hashtag for those who really lazy to fill survey forms ;-) for example
#fedoraserver
15:39:19 <sgallagh> It might be that it's worth investigating
alternative approaches (keeping an eye on Cockpit as still being the
primary interface for it, if possible)
15:39:59 <sgallagh> Ansible, puppet or OpenShift are all
potentially-viable solutions.
15:40:20 <danofsatx> agreed - a GUI interface to deploying roles through
Cockpit, using some sort of back end whether it be rolekit or ansible or
puppet or chef, is one of our goal.s
15:41:12 <hanthana> +1
15:41:48 <sgallagh> Entirely unrelated to my current responsibilities (I
work on OpenShift), we might want to explore that route, if only because
Cockpit already has very good support for container cluster management
through its Project Atomic work.
15:42:23 <danofsatx> sgallagh: have you ever tried to deploy FreeIPA
using ansible or OpenShift?
15:43:06 <sgallagh> danofsatx: I have not (yet)
15:43:13 <danofsatx> roger that.
15:43:22 <sgallagh> Though I know of people who have done the former and
people who are attempting the latter.
15:43:34 <danofsatx> is anyone aware of FreeIPA performance as a container?
15:43:46 * danofsatx is thinking of the entropy issue
15:44:08 <sgallagh> danofsatx: What entropy issue exists in a container
that wouldn't on the RPM install?
15:44:50 <danofsatx> well, in Virtual Machines we were running into the
lack of entropy during the kerberos setup. I'm not sure if that same
issue exists with a container.
15:46:28 <hanthana> what if we include spacewalk for those who deploy
several nodes?
15:46:51 <hanthana> is it worth?
15:46:54 <danofsatx> hanthana: as a role?
15:47:03 <hanthana> yes
15:47:25 <danofsatx> sure, we can put it out there.
15:47:33 <hanthana> cool
15:50:21 <danofsatx> The other thing that came up on list was oVirt
integration. I will admit that I have never successfully deployed oVirt,
either on Fedora or CentOS, so I can't speak to the viability of this idea.
15:51:25 <danofsatx> We
15:51:37 <danofsatx> We're almost to the hour mark, and it seems we've
lost steam.
15:52:08 <danofsatx> hanthana: can you do the blog post for the survey?
15:52:55 <sgallagh> Sorry, I got pulled away.
15:53:03 <hanthana> ok, I can make a draft though I am not good in
writing ;-)
15:53:23 <danofsatx> #action hanthana to write up a blog post survey for
roles. linuxmodder and danofsatx to review/edit.
15:53:50 <hanthana> danofsatx, how about the questions?
15:53:56 <danofsatx> I'm awesome at editing - I can't create
15:54:00 <sgallagh> danofsatx: Entropy starvation is always a real
issue, but it's no *worse* with a container than a VM (and likely
better, since the container host is probably doing a lot more
entropy-generation)
15:54:31 <danofsatx> sgallagh: gotchya.
15:55:06 <sgallagh> danofsatx: single-purpose VMs tend to be more
vulnerable because they have identical hardware and often identical boot
patterns.
15:55:51 <sgallagh> (Which is why the virtio-rng device exists, to feed
the VMs from the host's entropy pool, which in turn gathers entropy
thanks to the varied activities of all the VMs on it)
15:59:08 <danofsatx> ok, then, we're at 1 hour.
15:59:18 <danofsatx> #topic Open Floor
16:00:43 <danofsatx> going once....
16:00:50 <hanthana> Shall we make available designs for Fedora Server
tickers, buttons etc
16:01:24 <danofsatx> hanthana: hmmm, good idea. One that should be taken
up with marketing, though
16:01:25 <hanthana> Sonar_Gal, Ambassadors can use them during release
parties and other events
16:02:01 <hanthana> I recently created a ticket for 'Powered by Fedora'
sticker design
16:02:18 <danofsatx> Already have one - ot
16:02:28 <hanthana> we should market roles available with Fedora server
16:02:34 <hanthana> ok
16:02:43 <danofsatx> it's the case badge sticker
16:04:57 <danofsatx> going thrice.....
16:06:17 <danofsatx> ok, thanks for coming, folks!
16:06:21 <danofsatx> #endmeeting
--
Dan Mossor, RHCSA
Systems Engineer
Fedora Server WG | Fedora KDE WG | Fedora QA Team
Fedora Ambassador | Fedora CommOps
FAS: dmossor IRC: danofsatx
San Antonio, Texas, USA
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Meetings and plans
by Kevin Fenzi
Greetings.
With our driving force leaving us (thanks for all your work sgallagh!)
I figured it might be good to discuss a few things.
First: Meetings.
With adding new folks, is the current meeting time still good? Or
should we look at a new one?
I'd like to propose that we do a rotating chair/organizer like FESCo
does. This means that each meeting we pick the next meeting organizer
and they are responsible for gathering agenda items and inviting anyone
that needs to be invited and running the meeting. It's really not that
difficult, but if we rotate it around it keeps any one person from
burning out.
Second: Plans.
F24 is pretty much in the can (of course we need to maintain things and
fix bugs and help test, but we aren't going to be doing any new
development on it now).
What do people want to focus on for f25? or beyond?
There are a number of things we could work on:
* More roles
* Layered docker images (once those are all setup to build/work)
* Your big plan here.
Thoughts? ideas? Dreams?
kevin
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