On Tue, 2015-03-10 at 22:08 -0500, Dan Mossor wrote:
> On 02/09/2015 03:31 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> So, at DevConf over the weekend, I had a conversation with several
>> people around the package set that we should include on the Fedora
>> Server install media in Fedora 22.
>> When we put together the install media for Fedora 21, we basically
>> took the old Fedora 20 DVD install and stripped out some of the
>> things we didn't feel were necessary for the Server. However, I
>> suspect that we may have missed numerous things that are not
>> *strictly* important for Server.
>> In particular, the Fedora Server DVD includes the package groups
>> for many of the Fedora development tools (particularly those
>> useful for developing Fedora *itself*, such as the @fedora-
>> packager group.
>> I don't currently have statistics on how much space this would
>> save on the installation DVD (since I would pretty much have to
>> build one without these packages to verify it), but I can get an
>> approximate idea of the difference by installing the minimal set
>> of Server packages on one VM and a set that includes the devel
>> packages on another.
>> The result I see is:
>> == Standard Server Install ==
>> * 614 packages
>> * 1,097 MB on the installed system
>> == Server Install Plus Development Tools ==
>> * 716 packages
>> * 1496 MB on the installed system.
>> Even if we assume a (very) generous assumption that the RPM
>> compression reduces the size difference by 50%, we still see a
>> probable savings of 200 MB on the install DVD.
>> So, my questions to the Server SIG:
>> 1) Is this savings in the DVD ISO download size sufficiently
>> significant to continue this conversation?
>> 2) Does anyone see any value in keeping this material *on the
>> DVD*? Obviously, all of these packages will remain available to
>> the network install or post-installation environments.
>> For those who are interested in minutiae, I am attaching the
>> current fedora-install-server.ks file that is used to generate the
>> DVD. If you see anything else there that might be worth including
>> in this discussion, I'm all ears.
>> server mailing list
> This is a bit late to the party, but I've been having other issues
> with email that prevented me from replying earlier. However,
> recently Stephen
> and I have been discussing some things on IRC that I found contained
> within the hardware-support comp group. Specifically:
> atmel-firmware - wireless adapter support
> b43-fwcutter - wireless adapter support
> b43-openfwwf - wireless adapter support
> ipw2100-firmware - wireless adapter support
> ipw2200-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl100-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl1000-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl105-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl135-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl2000-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl2030-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl3160-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl3945-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl4965-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl5000-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl5150-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl6000-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl6000g2a-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl6000g2b-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl6050-firmware - wireless adapter support
> iwl7260-firmware - wireless adapter support
> libertas-usb8388-firmware - wireless adapter support
> usb_modeswitch - 3G / LTE modem support
> zd1211-firmware - wireless adapter support
> acpi - limited laptop information reader (no activity since 2010)
> acpitool - laptop harware support
> cmospwd - BIOS password recovery (dead project)
> firmware-addon-dell - for older Dell desktops and workstations gpsd -
> GPS adapter support
> gpsd-clients - GPS adapter support
> gypsy - GPS adapter support
> i8kutils - for Dell Inspiron and Latitude laptops
> iscan-firmware - scanner support
> isight-firmware-tools - scanner support
> ivtv-firmware - Hauppage TV card support
> libifp - iRiver MP3 device support
> multican - Cannon camera support
> openct - smartcard support
> opensc - smartcard support
> pcsc-lite - smartcard support
> pcsc-lite-ccid - smartcard support
> Essentially, all but 2 of the entire comp group are not applicable
> to servers. The Hardware Support comp group's description reads
> "This group
> is a collection of tools for various hardware specific utilities."
> All of the hardware addressed by these packages are specific to
> wireless, laptop, desktop or peripheral devices.
> In my experience, servers are not equipped with wireless
> The few times I have seen it even advertised was to support OOB (out
> of band) management through the ILO interface, not part of the
> installed operating system.
> Servers that utilize specific peripherals should only support the
> desired peripheral, not the entire random group that pulls in more
> than is required for a server installation.
> Additionally, I've filed bugs[1,2] to have fprintd-pam and wireless-
> tools moved from the Standard comps group to the Hardware Support
> group, since even on workstation installs these two packages are
> dependent on specific hardware, and shouldn't be included in the
> Standard comp group.
> A possible solution that Stephen and I have worked out is to create a
> new Server Hardware Support comp group that would include more
> server-specific tools such as (but not limited to):
> These are the first three that I found in my limited research, I'm
> sure there are many more that can be justified to be included as
> part of a Server Hardware Support comp group.
>  https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/comps.git/tree/comps-f22.xml.in
Find attached a first pass at this hardware support. I left one of the
Dell SMBIOS packages on the list, simply because there are some old
servers that also share it.
server mailing list
Looks good to me. I'm still researching other useful hardware packages,
but I think we've uncovered the most common already.
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