This topic is certainly of rather low relevance and we have more important things to do on Fedora Server. And I did my research more "just for fun“ and out of curiosity. Nevertheless, two remarks. (a) I would like some of those who insist on "bug" and "need to fix" with vehemence here to work with equal vehemence on the bug regarding the difference between net-install and dvd-install (issue #32 / #48, meeting & action https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fedora-server/fedora-server.2021-04-28-17.00.html). It has not been possible to solve this far more significant problem for a good six months now. And with all our releases, we don't know whether we haven't caught another problem like we did with Cockpit back then. (b) I'm a big fan of consistency in the user interface. But the "user experience" of a server system administrator at a text console and a desktop user in a GUI is quite different, to put it mildly. There is not much leeway for "consistency". And it makes absolutely no sense, to want to treat such different things the same. @Daniel: Are you really doing development on a Server text console using nano? That's what I would call 'hardcore development'. But you can do that even with vim as default editor. 'Default' determines the editor that system administration tools as crontab etc. use implicitly. So, let’s keep vim as it currently is and focus on the important subjects. Best Peter

Am 09.11.2021 um 07:30 schrieb Daniel Schier <dschier@while-true-do.io>: Hi all, from am mere software developer, operator and/or user perspective I consider this a bug, too. The design clearly describes, that nano is the default editor for „standard“. https://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UseNanoByDefault Even if one wants to discuss this, that must be done somewhere else. For now, getting this fixed to align with design decisions should be prioritized. This shouldn’t be a matter of „tmux vs screen“, „vi vs nano“ or „bash vs *sh“, but a matter of consistent Fedora Linux experience. Best regards, Daniel --- ### Contact dschier@while-true-do.io while-true-do.io ### Code code.while-true-do.io github.com/daniel-wtd/ github.com/while-true-do/ ### Social dschier @libera.chat ### Disclaimer If not stated otherwise all of my work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License (creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/).

On 9. Nov 2021, at 04:54, Matthew Miller <mattdm@fedoraproject.org> wrote: Yeah, let's please not revisit the fight? This was a system-wide change approved by FESCo. I do support Fedora Editions (and, for that matter, really, non-Editions) making their own choices for their intended audience, and I can _definitely_ see that certainly vi and probably vim is a reasonable thing to have installed on Fedora Server, but if you want to deviate from the recently-approved change, that should go back to FESCo. I know the degree of autonomy here is a little vague.... but that's _why_ we have FESCo, and the Editions working groups technically defined as under FESCo. That's the place to hash it out. Although, really, in this case, I hope we don't re-hash. If the Server WG _does_ have a decided desire to make this different, it'd be helpful for the case to come with data, and fit clearly into the story told by the refreshed PRD. And, also, please weigh the cost to documentation and support in having a different expectation for editor defaults. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader _______________________________________________ server mailing list -- server@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to server-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure

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