http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2010/08/31/why-do-we-think-one-size-can-create-...
Why is it we think that we can build a server and a desktop and a mobile platform and a computational cluster platform and EVERYTHING out of a single tree of pkgs and a single kernel? Is it not possible that easy, functional and versatile is too many things to ask for and keep everyone getting along?
I’m going to suggest something radical:
fedora server should be a complete tree branch – with its own criteria for admittance of pkgs and updates
fedora should continue as is with the focus being the desktop and targetted the user that the board defined a little while back:
http://lwn.net/Articles/358865/
specifically:
We found four defining characteristics that we believe best describe the Fedora distribution's target audience: Someone who (1) is voluntarily switching to Linux, (2) is familiar with computers, but is not necessarily a hacker or developer, (3) is likely to collaborate in some fashion when something's wrong with Fedora, and (4) wants to use Fedora for general productivity, either using desktop applications or a Web browser.
Perfect, right? We can focus on the issues of a server and of cutting the edge of what servers need while the desktop-oriented folks make a great desktop (or desktops) and we don’t have to have these pitched battles over systemd and networkmanager and policykit and what not.
sounds like a winner to me.
what do you think?
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:40:05PM -0400, seth vidal wrote:
Perfect, right? We can focus on the issues of a server and of cutting the edge of what servers need while the desktop-oriented folks make a great desktop (or desktops) and we don’t have to have these pitched battles over systemd and networkmanager and policykit and what not.
systemd has potential to be *better* than upstart (or any other init) for servers. (And it's not about faster bootup only. Really :-).
sounds like a winner to me.
what do you think?
Do we (fedora) have infrastructure for such thing?
Karel
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 22:02 +0200, Karel Zak wrote:
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:40:05PM -0400, seth vidal wrote:
Perfect, right? We can focus on the issues of a server and of cutting the edge of what servers need while the desktop-oriented folks make a great desktop (or desktops) and we don’t have to have these pitched battles over systemd and networkmanager and policykit and what not.
systemd has potential to be *better* than upstart (or any other init) for servers. (And it's not about faster bootup only. Really :-).
Lots of things have potential - the trick is this - are the gains worth the time and pain to get it there?
It is not obvious to me that we benefit enough. And I suspect that sysadmins will agree with me. I suspect that their response is going to be "one more ridiculous and unnecessary change forced on us by fedora"
And that's it for that user.
-sv
seth vidal wrote:
Perfect, right? We can focus on the issues of a server and of cutting the edge of what servers need while the desktop-oriented folks make a great desktop (or desktops) and we don’t have to have these pitched battles over systemd and networkmanager and policykit and what not.
sounds like a winner to me.
what do you think?
I could not help but think "Extended Life Cycle".
-- Jeroen
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