Re: Plymouth, themes and console clearing: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1933378

[Adam Williamson]

On Thu, 2021-03-04 at 22:40 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote:
>  
>  > Starting from a minimal install with plymouth omitted, adding just
>  > plymouth itself pulls in 3 packages (plymouth, plymouth-core-libs,
>  > plymouth-scripts) with an installed size of 621K. Adding plymouth-
>  > system-theme pulls in 32 packages with an installed size of 24M. So
>  > putting plymouth-system-theme in @core would substantially inflate the
>  > size of @core in terms of both number of packages and overall installed
>  > size. Removing plymouth from @core would not save a lot in terms of
>  > packages or space.
>  > 
>  > So, I guess the question here is, what do we do?
>  > 
>  > 1) Remove plymouth from @core
>  > 2) Add plymouth-system-theme to @core
>  > 3) Make Hans/Ray/someone fix the plymouth bug
>  
>  1) clearly gets my vote, not just because I don't have time to work on 3)
>  but also because to me it seems like the right thing to do. Plymouth is
>  a boot splash, its goal is to make the boot look pretty / hide all the
>  scary log messages in use-cases where we want this.  The text fallback
>  splash is not pretty. In general if it shows instead of the graphical
>  splash the fact that the text fallback shows is considered a bug. 
Well, you could still argue it's prettier than a wall-o-text boot. And
it *does* hide the wall-o-text.

>  So either the server spin wants a pretty boot and then they should
> fix the
>  bug of the text splash showing by installing plymouth-system-theme, or the
>  server spin does not want a pretty boot and then there should be no
>  plymouth at all. 
What if we want something arguably-prettier than wall-o-text, but don't
want an extra 32 packages and 24M of storage used up?
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Plymouth, themes and console clearing: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1933378

[David Kaufmann]

On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 02:45:29PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>  Well, you could still argue it's prettier than a wall-o-text
> boot. And
>  it *does* hide the wall-o-text. 
On the first boot after install that's maybe nice, but usually when I
look at the machine booting I either do need to see why the initramfs
does not boot, which one is the first service failing or why the
shutdown/reboot progress is hanging - in all of those cases I prefer the
wall-o-text ;)

But yes, doesn't look as nice as plymouth. xD

All the best,
Astra

Plymouth, themes and console clearing: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1933378

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2021-03-05 at 01:51 +0100, David Kaufmann wrote:
>  On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 02:45:29PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>  > Well, you could still argue it's prettier than a wall-o-text boot. And
>  > it *does* hide the wall-o-text.
>  
>  On the first boot after install that's maybe nice, but usually when I
>  look at the machine booting I either do need to see why the initramfs
>  does not boot, which one is the first service failing or why the
>  shutdown/reboot progress is hanging - in all of those cases I prefer the
>  wall-o-text ;)
>  
>  But yes, doesn't look as nice as plymouth. xD 
Well, you get the wall-o-text just by pressing Esc...

But anyhoo, since opinion so far seems to favor no-plymouth-in-core,
I've sent a PR for that:

https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/631
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