Server "Apps" and Cockpit

[Marius Vollmer]

Hi,

I have (barely) started with adding the concept of "Applications" to
Cockpit:

    https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit/wiki/Server-Applications

I would like to keep you all posted about this, and hopefully get
feedback.

The first biggish idea is to re-use the AppStream effort also for the
Server.  This would mean somehow bringing containers into the AppStream
as well, I guess.  Any immediate thoughts?  Crazy stuff?

The first concrete "app" is going to be FreeIPA.  RPMs or containers?

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 06:01:27PM +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote:
>  I have (barely) started with adding the concept of
> "Applications" to
>  Cockpit:
>      https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit/wiki/Server-Applications
>  I would like to keep you all posted about this, and hopefully get
>  feedback.
>  The first biggish idea is to re-use the AppStream effort also for the
>  Server.  This would mean somehow bringing containers into the AppStream
>  as well, I guess.  Any immediate thoughts?  Crazy stuff? 
How is this aligned with Atomic App and all of that?

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Marius Vollmer]

Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; writes:

>  On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 06:01:27PM +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote:
> > I have (barely) started with adding the concept of "Applications" to
> > Cockpit:
> >     https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit/wiki/Server-Applications
> > I would like to keep you all posted about this, and hopefully get
> > feedback.
> > The first biggish idea is to re-use the AppStream effort also for the
> > Server.  This would mean somehow bringing containers into the AppStream
> > as well, I guess.  Any immediate thoughts?  Crazy stuff?
>
>  How is this aligned with Atomic App and all of that? 
This would be the next natural step after individual containers.  I
haven't really thought about this yet, but I should definitely mention
it in the text.  Thanks!

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 05:16:19PM +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote:
>  >> The first biggish idea is to re-use the AppStream effort
> also for the
>  >> Server.  This would mean somehow bringing containers into the AppStream
>  >> as well, I guess.  Any immediate thoughts?  Crazy stuff?
>  > How is this aligned with Atomic App and all of that?
>  This would be the next natural step after individual containers.  I
>  haven't really thought about this yet, but I should definitely mention
>  it in the text.  Thanks! 
I think getting the AppStream format brought into our server-side
container / kube application efforts would be Generally Nice.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Marius Vollmer]

Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; writes:

>  I think getting the AppStream format brought into our server-side
>  container / kube application efforts would be Generally Nice. 
Cool.  The AppStream people agree, so I'll try to push this forward.

Right now I am mostly looking at "Atomic System Containers".  Would it
make sense to recommend that the AtomicApp app image containers (the
ones that are FROM projectatomic/atomicapp) are "Atomic System
Containers"?

Have you thought about how to collect the meta data once we have
convinced people to create it?

I guess we don't want to just scan all of Dockerhub and offer everything
that we find equally.  Would Fedora carefully curate the meta data on
its own servers, maybe?

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 06:44:37PM +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote:
>  Right now I am mostly looking at "Atomic System
> Containers".  Would it
>  make sense to recommend that the AtomicApp app image containers (the
>  ones that are FROM projectatomic/atomicapp) are "Atomic System
>  Containers"?
>  
>  Have you thought about how to collect the meta data once we have
>  convinced people to create it?
>  
>  I guess we don't want to just scan all of Dockerhub and offer everything
>  that we find equally.  Would Fedora carefully curate the meta data on
>  its own servers, maybe? 
Maybe. :) We should probably take this question to the Atomic WG.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Dennis Gilmore]

El mié, 29-03-2017 a las 18:01 +0300, Marius Vollmer escribió:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I have (barely) started with adding the concept of "Applications" to
>  Cockpit:
>  
>      https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit/wiki/Server-Applicatio
>  ns
>  
>  I would like to keep you all posted about this, and hopefully get
>  feedback.
>  
>  The first biggish idea is to re-use the AppStream effort also for the
>  Server.  This would mean somehow bringing containers into the
>  AppStream
>  as well, I guess.  Any immediate thoughts?  Crazy stuff?
>  
>  The first concrete "app" is going to be FreeIPA.  RPMs or containers? 
it is a reasonable idea, however appdata is not integrated into any of
our tooling. Last time it was brought up the rpm team was going to see
what it would take to add the appinfo data into rpm headers. I would
rather not put more on something that is still a mess and not
finalised. GEt the desktop side working well. then by all means lets
look how we can extend it.

Dennis