Meetings and plans

[Kevin Fenzi]

Greetings.

With our driving force leaving us (thanks for all your work sgallagh!)
I figured it might be good to discuss a few things.

First: Meetings.

With adding new folks, is the current meeting time still good? Or
should we look at a new one?

I'd like to propose that we do a rotating chair/organizer like FESCo
does. This means that each meeting we pick the next meeting organizer
and they are responsible for gathering agenda items and inviting anyone
that needs to be invited and running the meeting. It's really not that
difficult, but if we rotate it around it keeps any one person from
burning out.

Second: Plans.

F24 is pretty much in the can (of course we need to maintain things and
fix bugs and help test, but we aren't going to be doing any new
development on it now).

What do people want to focus on for f25? or beyond?
There are a number of things we could work on:

* More roles

* Layered docker images (once those are all setup to build/work)

* Your big plan here.

Thoughts? ideas? Dreams?

kevin

[Corey Sheldon]

On 05/03/2016 12:03 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> With our driving force leaving us (thanks for all your work sgallagh!)
> I figured it might be good to discuss a few things.
>
> First: Meetings.
>
> With adding new folks, is the current meeting time still good? Or
> should we look at a new one?
>
> I'd like to propose that we do a rotating chair/organizer like FESCo
> does. This means that each meeting we pick the next meeting organizer
> and they are responsible for gathering agenda items and inviting anyone
> that needs to be invited and running the meeting. It's really not that
> difficult, but if we rotate it around it keeps any one person from
> burning out.
>
> Second: Plans.
>
> F24 is pretty much in the can (of course we need to maintain things and
> fix bugs and help test, but we aren't going to be doing any new
> development on it now).
>
> What do people want to focus on for f25? or beyond?
> There are a number of things we could work on:
>
> More roles
>
> Layered docker images (once those are all setup to build/work)
>
> Your big plan here.
>
> Thoughts? ideas? Dreams?
>
> kevin
>
> server mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

Kevin et. al,

The current time works for me (most weeks), however I am flexible to a
new time.  As to the rotating chair idea I like it for 2  main reasons

1) it  helps prevent burnout as you mentioned.

2) It helps foster SIG member involvement and familiarity with the
duties and not  getting  comfy  in the back seat  per say.

[Michael J Wolf]

> Subject: Meetings and plans
>
> Greetings.
>
> With our driving force leaving us (thanks for all your work sgallagh!)
> I figured it might be good to discuss a few things.
>
> First: Meetings.
>
> With adding new folks, is the current meeting time still good? Or
> should we look at a new one?

The current time works for me.
> I'd like to propose that we do a rotating chair/organizer like FESCo
> does. This means that each meeting we pick the next meeting organizer
> and they are responsible for gathering agenda items and inviting anyone
> that needs to be invited and running the meeting. It's really not that
> difficult, but if we rotate it around it keeps any one person from
> burning out.

Sounds good.
> Second: Plans.
>
> F24 is pretty much in the can (of course we need to maintain things and
> fix bugs and help test, but we aren't going to be doing any new
> development on it now).
>
> What do people want to focus on for f25? or beyond?
> There are a number of things we could work on:
> More roles

I also have an interest here.
> Layered docker images (once those are all setup to build/work)
>
> Your big plan here.

Automated testing is high on my list as well as continous integration.
Getting code
into an installable image or an update fast.
> Thoughts? ideas? Dreams?
>
> kevin
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[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2016-05-04 at 16:59 -0500, Michael J Wolf wrote:
> > Your big plan here.
>
> Automated testing is high on my list as well as continous integration.
> Getting code
> into an installable image or an update fast.

I'm already working on automating the validation testing. 6 of the
validation tests are already automated, now. I'm aiming to have all the
tests besides AD automated (via openQA) by Final.

I'm fine with the rotating chair idea, though my involvement is mainly
supposed to be to represent QA.

[Dan Mossor]

On 05/03/2016 11:03 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> With our driving force leaving us (thanks for all your work sgallagh!)

+1^1000000000000
> I figured it might be good to discuss a few things.
>
> First: Meetings.
>
> With adding new folks, is the current meeting time still good? Or
> should we look at a new one?

Time is fine (at the moment)
> I'd like to propose that we do a rotating chair/organizer like FESCo
> does. This means that each meeting we pick the next meeting organizer
> and they are responsible for gathering agenda items and inviting anyone
> that needs to be invited and running the meeting. It's really not that
> difficult, but if we rotate it around it keeps any one person from
> burning out.

I would be OK with this.
> Second: Plans.
>
> F24 is pretty much in the can (of course we need to maintain things and
> fix bugs and help test, but we aren't going to be doing any new
> development on it now).
>
> What do people want to focus on for f25? or beyond?
> There are a number of things we could work on:
> More roles

More roles is always good. Someone really needs to pick up the rolekit 
torch and run with it - I can only wish that I had the ability to do so, 
and it is my main goal for learning Python so I can do just this.
> Layered docker images (once those are all setup to build/work)
>
> Your big plan here.

Stephen had a goal of rolekit integration into Cockpit - a GUI driven 
rolekit. This, I feel, should be our next major target, but it likely 
won't happen without the aforementioned rolekit developer.
> Thoughts? ideas? Dreams?
>
> kevin
>
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> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 10:03:37AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> More roles

Here's my take, for what it's worth. I like the idea of roles, but for
it to really be successful, there should be roles for 90%* of what
people want to deploy a Fedora server for, and incentive in the
remaining 10% to start collaborative work on creating new roles.

I'm not sure exactly how we get there, though.

* or other arbitrary threshold — enough so that the assumption can be
"there's probably a role for that".

[Timothy Rees]

Hello all,

I've been subscribed to this mailing list for a long time but have
been struggling to find the time to step up and start actively
contributing (or even supporting) in any way.  Anyway, to the point
(I'll introduce myself etc in another mail), is there interest in a
Virtual Host role available (outside of just, dnf installgroups) that
can be used for either as an independent hypervisor or managed by
oVirt?

If not, this will be an area of interest for me to work on.

With regards to meetings - I'm assuming that I can join and contribute
despite not being a listed member?  I couldn't find much information
for newbs specific to server-wg on the wiki.

Cheers,
Tim

On 10 May 2016 at 14:21, Matthew Miller  wrote:
> On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 10:03:37AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > More roles
>
> Here's my take, for what it's worth. I like the idea of roles, but for
> it to really be successful, there should be roles for 90%* of what
> people want to deploy a Fedora server for, and incentive in the
> remaining 10% to start collaborative work on creating new roles.
>
> I'm not sure exactly how we get there, though.
> or other arbitrary threshold — enough so that the assumption can be
>
> "there's probably a role for that".
>
> --
> Matthew Miller
>
> Fedora Project Leader
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[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 02:28:17PM +0200, Timothy Rees wrote:
> I've been subscribed to this mailing list for a long time but have
> been struggling to find the time to step up and start actively
> contributing (or even supporting) in any way.  Anyway, to the point
> (I'll introduce myself etc in another mail), is there interest in a
> Virtual Host role available (outside of just, dnf installgroups) that
> can be used for either as an independent hypervisor or managed by
> oVirt?
> If not, this will be an area of interest for me to work on.

Sounds very interesting to _me_ at least, and in line with what I was
just saying. :)
> With regards to meetings - I'm assuming that I can join and contribute
> despite not being a listed member?  I couldn't find much information
> for newbs specific to server-wg on the wiki.

Yes, absolutely you can. The basic structure (not just for Server but
roughly in general) is that we have a broader SIG (special interest
group) which is informal and anyone can join, and a more formal WG
(working group) which is responsible to meet regularly and has voting
power for hard decisions which require a vote. The WG _should_
represent the core of people who are actually active and doing things,
so membership is reevaluated periodically — and it's generally the case
that active SIG members will have the opportunity WG members eventually
if they want to.

If you want, you can add your name to the SIG "Fan Club" list at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Server — or, you can just start
working. (Hmmm. That page could stand to be updated to clarify what I
just said above, for that matter.)

[Stephen Gallagher]

On 05/10/2016 08:28 AM, Timothy Rees wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've been subscribed to this mailing list for a long time but have
> been struggling to find the time to step up and start actively
> contributing (or even supporting) in any way.  Anyway, to the point
> (I'll introduce myself etc in another mail), is there interest in a
> Virtual Host role available (outside of just, dnf installgroups) that
> can be used for either as an independent hypervisor or managed by
> oVirt?

Yes, absolutely. As much as a year ago, I proposed[1] that we should add
virt-manager functionality into the Cockpit project. From there, it was
suggested that the best approach might actually be for us to work up a role that
installed oVirt and for Cockpit to be able to link over to the oVirt UI.

No work (that I am aware of) has actually been done on this yet, but it keeps
coming up periodically[2].
> If not, this will be an area of interest for me to work on.

If this is something you're interested in, I recommend that we get you and
Marek Libra (CCed) in a conversation together. Perhaps we can turn this into an
actual project with enough interested people.
> With regards to meetings - I'm assuming that I can join and contribute
> despite not being a listed member?  I couldn't find much information
> for newbs specific to server-wg on the wiki.

Yes! The Server SIG is open to all. There is a governing body called the Server
Working Group that exists to make decisions (and resolve conflicts), but anyone
who wants to work on the Fedora Server is certainly welcome in the SIG. (And as
Matthew noted, people who are doing actual work usually end up being invited to
the Working Group when a seat opens up.)

[1] https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit/issues/2099
[2]
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