On 03/19/2015 09:45 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-03-10 at 22:08 -0500, Dan Mossor wrote:
> > On 02/09/2015 03:31 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > > So, at DevConf over the weekend, I had a conversation with
> > > several people around the package set that we should include
> > > on the Fedora Server install media in Fedora 22.
> > >
> > > When we put together the install media for Fedora 21, we
> > > basically took the old Fedora 20 DVD install and stripped out
> > > some of the things we didn't feel were necessary for the
> > > Server. However, I suspect that we may have missed numerous
> > > things that are not
> > > *strictly* important for Server.
> > >
> > > In particular, the Fedora Server DVD includes the package
> > > groups for many of the Fedora development tools (particularly
> > > those
> > > useful for developing Fedora *itself*, such as the @fedora-
> > > packager group.
> > >
> > > I don't currently have statistics on how much space this would
> > > save on the installation DVD (since I would pretty much have
> > > to build one without these packages to verify it), but I can
> > > get an approximate idea of the difference by installing the
> > > minimal set of Server packages on one VM and a set that
> > > includes the devel packages on another.
> > >
> > > The result I see is:
> > > == Standard Server Install ==
> > > * 614 packages
> > > * 1,097 MB on the installed system
> > >
> > > == Server Install Plus Development Tools ==
> > > * 716 packages
> > > * 1496 MB on the installed system.
> > >
> > > Even if we assume a (very) generous assumption that the RPM
> > > compression reduces the size difference by 50%, we still see a
> > > probable savings of 200 MB on the install DVD.
> > >
> > > So, my questions to the Server SIG:
> > > 1) Is this savings in the DVD ISO download size sufficiently
> > > significant to continue this conversation?
> > > 2) Does anyone see any value in keeping this material *on the
> > > DVD*? Obviously, all of these packages will remain available
> > > to the network install or post-installation environments.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For those who are interested in minutiae, I am attaching the
> > > current fedora-install-server.ks file that is used to generate
> > > the DVD. If you see anything else there that might be worth
> > > including in this discussion, I'm all ears.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > This is a bit late to the party, but I've been having other
> > issues with email that prevented me from replying earlier.
> > However,
> > recently Stephen
> > and I have been discussing some things on IRC that I found
> > contained within the hardware-support comp group.
> > Specifically:
> > atmel-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > b43-fwcutter - wireless adapter support
> > b43-openfwwf - wireless adapter support
> > ipw2100-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > ipw2200-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl100-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl1000-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl105-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl135-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl2000-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl2030-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl3160-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl3945-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl4965-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl5000-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl5150-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl6000-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl6000g2a-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl6000g2b-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl6050-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > iwl7260-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > libertas-usb8388-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > usb_modeswitch - 3G / LTE modem support
> > zd1211-firmware - wireless adapter support
> > acpi - limited laptop information reader (no activity since
> > 2010) acpitool - laptop harware support
> > cmospwd - BIOS password recovery (dead project)
> > firmware-addon-dell - for older Dell desktops and workstations
> > gpsd - GPS adapter support
> > gpsd-clients - GPS adapter support
> > gypsy - GPS adapter support
> > i8kutils - for Dell Inspiron and Latitude laptops
> > iscan-firmware - scanner support
> > isight-firmware-tools - scanner support
> > ivtv-firmware - Hauppage TV card support
> > libifp - iRiver MP3 device support
> > multican - Cannon camera support
> > openct - smartcard support
> > opensc - smartcard support
> > pcsc-lite - smartcard support
> > pcsc-lite-ccid - smartcard support
> > Essentially, all but 2 of the entire comp group are not
> > applicable to servers. The Hardware Support comp group's
> > description reads "This group
> > is a collection of tools for various hardware specific
> > utilities." All of the hardware addressed by these packages are
> > specific to wireless, laptop, desktop or peripheral devices.
> > In my experience, servers are not equipped with wireless
> > communications.
> > The few times I have seen it even advertised was to support OOB
> > (out of band) management through the ILO interface, not part of
> > the installed operating system.
> > Servers that utilize specific peripherals should only support
> > the desired peripheral, not the entire random group that pulls
> > in more than is required for a server installation.
> > Additionally, I've filed bugs[1,2] to have fprintd-pam and
> > wireless- tools moved from the Standard comps group to the
> > Hardware Support group, since even on workstation installs
> > these two packages are dependent on specific hardware, and
> > shouldn't be included in the Standard comp group.
> > A possible solution that Stephen and I have worked out is to
> > create a
> > new Server Hardware Support comp group that would include more
> > server-specific tools such as (but not limited to):
> > smp_utils
> > lm_sensors
> > openhpi
> > These are the first three that I found in my limited research,
> > I'm sure there are many more that can be justified to be
> > included as part of a Server Hardware Support comp group.
> > --Dan
> > 
> > https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/comps.git/tree/comps-f22.xml.in
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1198844
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1198832
> Find attached a first pass at this hardware support. I left one of
> the Dell SMBIOS packages on the list, simply because there are
> some old servers that also share it.
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Looks good to me. I'm still researching other useful hardware
packages, but I think we've uncovered the most common already.
I should also note that this isn't trimming down the package set on
the DVD media; I'm still including the old hardware support as an
optional installation. It will reduce the size of the installed system