"create a lightweight installer/bootstrapper"

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

From the Wiki page at

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Server#Installer

What exactly do we mean by lightweight?

What exactly do we mean by bootstrapping?

I'm inclined to shout "Genome!" but I'm not sure I read this the same
way as you do.

Thanks in advance,

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip

[Dan Horák]

Jeroen van Meeuwen píše v Ne 14. 12. 2008 v 15:18 +0100:
> From the Wiki page at
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Server#Installer
>
> What exactly do we mean by lightweight?
>
> What exactly do we mean by bootstrapping?

It is a wrapper around "yum --installroot <dir> install", but you should
end with a system that boots, root can log in and yum is available. It
can work with USB devices (flash, harddisk), LVs, LUNs from SAN, etc,
generally anything you can mount on a running system.
> I'm inclined to shout "Genome!" but I'm not sure I read this the same
> way as you do.

Dan

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Dan Horák wrote:
> Jeroen van Meeuwen píše v Ne 14. 12. 2008 v 15:18 +0100:
> > From the Wiki page at
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Server#Installer
> >
> > What exactly do we mean by lightweight?
> >
> > What exactly do we mean by bootstrapping?
>
> It is a wrapper around "yum --installroot <dir> install", but you should
> end with a system that boots, root can log in and yum is available. It
> can work with USB devices (flash, harddisk), LVs, LUNs from SAN, etc,
> generally anything you can mount on a running system.

Like Mock?

-sv

[Dan Horák]

Seth Vidal píše v Po 15. 12. 2008 v 07:49 -0500:
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Dan Horák wrote:
> > Jeroen van Meeuwen píše v Ne 14. 12. 2008 v 15:18 +0100:
> > > From the Wiki page at
> > >
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Server#Installer
> > >
> > > What exactly do we mean by lightweight?
> > >
> > > What exactly do we mean by bootstrapping?
> >
> > It is a wrapper around "yum --installroot <dir> install", but you should
> > end with a system that boots, root can log in and yum is available. It
> > can work with USB devices (flash, harddisk), LVs, LUNs from SAN, etc,
> > generally anything you can mount on a running system.
>
> Like Mock?

yes, it's inspired by mock, only the target is a standalone system

Dan

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Dan Horák wrote:
> Seth Vidal píše v Po 15. 12. 2008 v 07:49 -0500:
> > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Dan Horák wrote:
> > > Jeroen van Meeuwen píše v Ne 14. 12. 2008 v 15:18 +0100:
> > > > From the Wiki page at
> > > >
> > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Server#Installer
> > > >
> > > > What exactly do we mean by lightweight?
> > > >
> > > > What exactly do we mean by bootstrapping?
> > >
> > > It is a wrapper around "yum --installroot <dir> install", but you should
> > > end with a system that boots, root can log in and yum is available. It
> > > can work with USB devices (flash, harddisk), LVs, LUNs from SAN, etc,
> > > generally anything you can mount on a running system.
> >
> > Like Mock?
>
> yes, it's inspired by mock, only the target is a standalone system

So why can't you just use mock? Or, for that matter kickstart?

-sv

[Dan Horák]

Seth Vidal píše v Po 15. 12. 2008 v 08:06 -0500:
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Dan Horák wrote:
> > Seth Vidal píše v Po 15. 12. 2008 v 07:49 -0500:
> > > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Dan Horák wrote:
> > > > Jeroen van Meeuwen píše v Ne 14. 12. 2008 v 15:18 +0100:
> > > > > From the Wiki page at
> > > > >
> > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Server#Installer
> > > > >
> > > > > What exactly do we mean by lightweight?
> > > > >
> > > > > What exactly do we mean by bootstrapping?
> > > >
> > > > It is a wrapper around "yum --installroot <dir> install", but you should
> > > > end with a system that boots, root can log in and yum is available. It
> > > > can work with USB devices (flash, harddisk), LVs, LUNs from SAN, etc,
> > > > generally anything you can mount on a running system.
> > >
> > > Like Mock?
> >
> > yes, it's inspired by mock, only the target is a standalone system
>
> So why can't you just use mock? Or, for that matter kickstart?

But AFAIK mock can't create fstab (required by mkinitrd) or reset the
password for root.

Can I run a kickstart install on my workstation (while doing regular
work there) to install a system on a new device that will be then pulled
out and used somewhere else?

Dan

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

Dan Horák wrote:
> But AFAIK mock can't create fstab (required by mkinitrd) or reset the
> password for root.
>
> Can I run a kickstart install on my workstation (while doing regular
> work there) to install a system on a new device that will be then pulled
> out and used somewhere else?

Now I'm leaning towards appliance-creator.

-Jeroen

[Dan Horák]

Jeroen van Meeuwen píše v Po 15. 12. 2008 v 14:50 +0100:
> Dan Horák wrote:
> > But AFAIK mock can't create fstab (required by mkinitrd) or reset the
> > password for root.
> >
> > Can I run a kickstart install on my workstation (while doing regular
> > work there) to install a system on a new device that will be then pulled
> > out and used somewhere else?
>
> Now I'm leaning towards appliance-creator.

Can you give me a pointer to some docs about the appliance-creator? I am
sure someone else have already had similar idea :-)

Dan

[David Huff]

Dan Horák wrote:
> > Now I'm leaning towards appliance-creator.
>
> Can you give me a pointer to some docs about the appliance-creator? I am
> sure someone else have already had similar idea :-)
> Dan

Dan,

Check out the tooling section at, thincrust.org, this is the homepage 
for all work on the appliance creator.  Let me know if you have any 
questions or you can shoot a note to our mailing list: 
[e-mail], or on irc: #thincrust on freenode.

-D

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

Dan Horák wrote:
> It is a wrapper around "yum --installroot <dir> install", but you should
> end with a system that boots, root can log in and yum is available. It
> can work with USB devices (flash, harddisk), LVs, LUNs from SAN, etc,
> generally anything you can mount on a running system.

This sounds like a text-mode-only anaconda with a minimal kickstart 
-anything I'm missing here?

-Jeroen