Server WG and the Fedora project wiki

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi folks,

I apologize in advance for my ignorance regarding the Server SIG -

We have a wiki page for the Server here:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Server

Is this content in active use? It appears to be focus on a server spin,
but I can't find a server spin on alt.fpo or spins.fpo. This mailing
list was also used by the server SIG - based on mailman archives, it
stopped being active in Nov 2010. [1]

Should we:

1) Clean-slate the page and re-purpose it for the working group and any
SIG members that are remaining?

or

2) Leave it alone and start a new one? (/wiki/Server or /wiki/ServerWG?)

I'm particularly interested in hearing from original Server SIG folks!

~m

[1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/server/  There's a
year-long gap where there are some posts in late 2011/early 2012, then
an almost 2-year long gap between February 2012 and now.

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On 30 October 2013 12:20, Máirín Duffy  wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I apologize in advance for my ignorance regarding the Server SIG -
>
> We have a wiki page for the Server here:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Server
>
> Is this content in active use? It appears to be focus on a server spin,
> but I can't find a server spin on alt.fpo or spins.fpo. This mailing
> list was also used by the server SIG - based on mailman archives, it
> stopped being active in Nov 2010. [1]
>
> Should we:
> Clean-slate the page and re-purpose it for the working group and any
>
> SIG members that are remaining?
>
> or
> Leave it alone and start a new one? (/wiki/Server or /wiki/ServerWG?)
>
> I'm particularly interested in hearing from original Server SIG folks!
>
> ~m

I would scrap it and start anew. I don't think we got anywhere far enough
to have a lessons learned other than that a lot of people wanted a lot of
things but the amount of effort and support that was available was
negligible.
> [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/server/  There's a
> year-long gap where there are some posts in late 2011/early 2012, then
> an almost 2-year long gap between February 2012 and now.
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[Máirín Duffy]

Hi again,

On 10/30/2013 02:20 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Clean-slate the page and re-purpose it for the working group and any
>
> SIG members that are remaining?
>
> or
> Leave it alone and start a new one? (/wiki/Server or /wiki/ServerWG?)

So we had some discussion on IRC. What I'm going to do is just set up
/wiki/Server (following the Cloud group's lead) and wait to hear from
more Server SIG folks before marking those pages as deprecated.

IRC discussion log follows below.

~m

<mizmo> sgallagh, do we use the server SIG wiki pages for the server WG
or should there be a different set?
<mizmo> there's a lot of pre-existing content on the server sig page, im
not sure how much of it is actively in use, and i dont want to step on toes
<sgallagh> mizmo: We didn't discuss that in the meeting. I'm inclined to
say "probably", but let's ask the mailing list.
<mizmo> sgallagh, okie dokie
<nirik> well, the working group is not a SIG... I'd just take over the
non SIG space and perhaps change the SIG pages to say they are no longer
maintained?
<mizmo> nirik, that seems a fair proposal
<nirik> the wiki is sometimes quite the briar patch
<mizmo> nirik, should the new page be /wiki/ServerWG or should it be
just /wiki/Server?
<sgallagh> mizmo: Let's go with /wiki/Server
<nirik> I guess cloud WG is just using "Cloud"
<nirik> so, yeah
<sgallagh> the WG is really just the voting group
<sgallagh> "Fedora Server" is the product we're building
<mizmo> okay cool
<mizmo> i'm gonna copy/paste this discussion and send to the list for
context

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 02:20:36PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Clean-slate the page and re-purpose it for the working group and any
>
> SIG members that are remaining?
> or
> 2) Leave it alone and start a new one? (/wiki/Server or /wiki/ServerWG?)
>
> I'm particularly interested in hearing from original Server SIG folks!

I like option #1. Over in Cloud, I think we're basically framing the Cloud
WG as a subset of the Cloud SIG, and I think that parallel can apply here
too. However, I think there probably _should_ be a landing page at
/wiki/Server too.
> [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/server/  There's a
> year-long gap where there are some posts in late 2011/early 2012, then
> an almost 2-year long gap between February 2012 and now.

It makes me sad on so many levels. But, on the other hand, seeing all of
the current work actually going in a real direction... not so sad.

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to follow up on the Server WG wiki:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server

I set it up with an initial set of content now.

~m

[Chris A. Roberts]

Mizmo,

This looks very nice :)

- Chris Roberts

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Subject: Re: Server WG and the Fedora project wiki

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to follow up on the Server WG wiki:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server

I set it up with an initial set of content now.

~m 
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