Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
You make it sound so logic, I can only agree with you. You're right. I
hadn't read anything, I can't remember anything, let alone keep in mind
what everyone's ideas, comments and recommendations were and shape them
into the skeleton (read: *THE SKELETON*) of a new process. I'm
definitely a fail.
The process is defined and decisions being made where majority of the
people affected by the process cannot participate. Nobody posts a
The spin process wiki page doesn't say draft or skeleton or anything
like that. It appears on it's own and a vote is being rushed based on
that in a IRC meeting (which I cannot attend) where a lot of details
haven't been discussed yet.
A new procedure for reports every week has been added to the process
where nobody has even a vague idea (according to you) on what it should
contain. This all doesn't look like the right thing to do.
> * Postpone the IRC meeting and voting now. It is too early and
> not been enough details to warrant a vote yet.
NO! Period. Exclamation-mark. Fullstop. Why not? Because our next
meeting would be only ~2 weeks prior to Beta freeze. Don't recall the
timeline exactly, don't care enough to look it up for you.
Regardless of the time period, rushing through a vote with a skeleton
proposal isn't going to benefit anybody. It would just lead to more
confusion as has been evident over 3 releases in the past. So give it
time and work through the details carefully.
Obviously, I haven't read the rest of your email, doh! I'm
responding to things I don't read?
Then I don't see the point of asking me to read a process wiki which has
very few details. I have already read and commented on it.
I think you're confusing blunt criticism with constructive
Perhaps but I am tired of running around and want it to stop. I have
wasted enough time unnecessarily. I am very frustrated with this
repeatedly. Let's get it right, this time.
You're not explaining anything, you're dismissing everything
we did for
reasons of your absence and <insert-the-other-favorite-here>, almost
entirely similar to how I'm dismissive towards you
Since I am not present, I can't know why without you and others who did
attend post some details. Any of those attended post a summary please?
Other pages needed to complete the details on these pages you have so
far should be in the making but somehow the person tasked to create
those pages does not seem to be able to find the time to actually do
what he's intended to do.
Who is that? Can he do it before the voting?