Hi,
back in April we discussed the F19 spins and it was widely agreed that http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/19/Spins is the canonical list of approved spins that need to be produced. However this doesn't seem to be the case, I only see the desktop spins. In fact, that is not even true given that I cannot find MATE either.
What does the spins SIG need to do in order to get the remaining spins?
Kind regards, Christoph
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 17:56:20 +0200, Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
back in April we discussed the F19 spins and it was widely agreed that http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/19/Spins is the canonical list of approved spins that need to be produced. However this doesn't seem to be the case, I only see the desktop spins. In fact, that is not even true given that I cannot find MATE either.
What does the spins SIG need to do in order to get the remaining spins?
It might help to have some context for this question. The following might answer your question or might not. For the last few releases we have not produced live iso images for the alpha and beta releases for other than the four main desktop images. The other images are supposed to be grabbed from the nightly composes. The spins list page is used to determine which spins get built for final.
Am Sonntag, den 12.05.2013, 11:08 -0500 schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 17:56:20 +0200, Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
back in April we discussed the F19 spins and it was widely agreed that http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/19/Spins is the canonical list of approved spins that need to be produced. However this doesn't seem to be the case, I only see the desktop spins. In fact, that is not even true given that I cannot find MATE either.
What does the spins SIG need to do in order to get the remaining spins?
It might help to have some context for this question. The following might answer your question or might not. For the last few releases we have not produced live iso images for the alpha and beta releases for other than the four main desktop images. The other images are supposed to be grabbed from the nightly composes. The spins list page is used to determine which spins get built for final.
Indeed, this answers my question.
However it does not solve the problem I think. The main problem we are facing is QA of the spins, that's why we want to test *every* spin now, not just the desktop spins.
What should we base our QA efforts on if there are no 'official' images? The nightlies?
Kind regards, Christoph
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 18:52:16 +0200, Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@gmail.com wrote:
What should we base our QA efforts on if there are no 'official' images? The nightlies?
Yes. They should work pretty well for that.
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On Sun, 12 May 2013 17:56:20 +0200 Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
back in April we discussed the F19 spins and it was widely agreed that http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/19/Spins is the canonical list of approved spins that need to be produced. However this doesn't seem to be the case, I only see the desktop spins. In fact, that is not even true given that I cannot find MATE either.
What does the spins SIG need to do in order to get the remaining spins?
We have for the last few releases composed the 5 main desktop spins Gnome, KDE, LXDE, XFCE and SoaS for Alpha and Beta and in theory nightlies have been used for QA. before making the 5 we only made KDE and Gnome. QA has not been really happening as is evidenced by spins regularly failing to compose, and being shipped DOA, as in the design-Suite in F18 and Games being dropped for failing to compose. I personally fixed a bunch of spins in F17.
For Fedora 19 I'm planning to only compose those 5 for GA also and I will only be shipping them if they have been tested and signed off by at least 3 people as working. This is due to Spins having been shipped broken in the past. I think we need to stop pretending there is a spins SIG as its not been functional or working for a few years.
Perhaps the question we really need to ask is how should we deploy and install Fedora, Which is not something we can change or solve for f19 or probably even f20. An idea that comes to mind is to have package selections and post install config tasks ship as kickstart snippets with the DVD. we then use grub/syslinux to present a menu to the users to have different frameworks that resemble the spins the kickstart is fed to anaconda then at boot time or anaconda gives you the option to select them.
Dennis
On 13/05/13 09:57 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
On Sun, 12 May 2013 17:56:20 +0200 Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
back in April we discussed the F19 spins and it was widely agreed that http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/19/Spins is the canonical list of approved spins that need to be produced. However this doesn't seem to be the case, I only see the desktop spins. In fact, that is not even true given that I cannot find MATE either.
What does the spins SIG need to do in order to get the remaining spins?
We have for the last few releases composed the 5 main desktop spins Gnome, KDE, LXDE, XFCE and SoaS for Alpha and Beta and in theory nightlies have been used for QA. before making the 5 we only made KDE and Gnome. QA has not been really happening as is evidenced by spins regularly failing to compose, and being shipped DOA, as in the design-Suite in F18 and Games being dropped for failing to compose. I personally fixed a bunch of spins in F17.
Looking at mock.log http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=5369585&name=mock_outp... I failed to see what caused Livecd-creator to not build because of lack information. If there is an error on my design-suite.ks let know. I compared to others ks and failed to find the problem. :(
(bringing back an old thread)
Dennis Gilmore (dennis@ausil.us) said:
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On Sun, 12 May 2013 17:56:20 +0200 Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
back in April we discussed the F19 spins and it was widely agreed that http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/19/Spins is the canonical list of approved spins that need to be produced. However this doesn't seem to be the case, I only see the desktop spins. In fact, that is not even true given that I cannot find MATE either.
What does the spins SIG need to do in order to get the remaining spins?
We have for the last few releases composed the 5 main desktop spins Gnome, KDE, LXDE, XFCE and SoaS for Alpha and Beta and in theory nightlies have been used for QA. before making the 5 we only made KDE and Gnome. QA has not been really happening as is evidenced by spins regularly failing to compose, and being shipped DOA, as in the design-Suite in F18 and Games being dropped for failing to compose. I personally fixed a bunch of spins in F17.
For Fedora 19 I'm planning to only compose those 5 for GA also and I will only be shipping them if they have been tested and signed off by at least 3 people as working. This is due to Spins having been shipped broken in the past. I think we need to stop pretending there is a spins SIG as its not been functional or working for a few years.
Functional or not, has this been widely disseminated?
- Are all the spin maintainers aware? - Is the websites team that builds and maintains spins.fp.o aware, and ready to handle only updating some of the spins listed there? - Is it in the release notes? etc.
It's a very large change to drop five deliverables, obviously.
Bill
Perhaps the question we really need to ask is how should we deploy and install Fedora, Which is not something we can change or solve for f19 or probably even f20. An idea that comes to mind is to have package selections and post install config tasks ship as kickstart snippets with the DVD. we then use grub/syslinux to present a menu to the users to have different frameworks that resemble the spins the kickstart is fed to anaconda then at boot time or anaconda gives you the option to select them.
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On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:32:11 -0400 Bill Nottingham notting@redhat.com wrote:
(bringing back an old thread)
Dennis Gilmore (dennis@ausil.us) said:
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On Sun, 12 May 2013 17:56:20 +0200 Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
back in April we discussed the F19 spins and it was widely agreed that http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/19/Spins is the canonical list of approved spins that need to be produced. However this doesn't seem to be the case, I only see the desktop spins. In fact, that is not even true given that I cannot find MATE either.
What does the spins SIG need to do in order to get the remaining spins?
We have for the last few releases composed the 5 main desktop spins Gnome, KDE, LXDE, XFCE and SoaS for Alpha and Beta and in theory nightlies have been used for QA. before making the 5 we only made KDE and Gnome. QA has not been really happening as is evidenced by spins regularly failing to compose, and being shipped DOA, as in the design-Suite in F18 and Games being dropped for failing to compose. I personally fixed a bunch of spins in F17.
For Fedora 19 I'm planning to only compose those 5 for GA also and I will only be shipping them if they have been tested and signed off by at least 3 people as working. This is due to Spins having been shipped broken in the past. I think we need to stop pretending there is a spins SIG as its not been functional or working for a few years.
Functional or not, has this been widely disseminated?
- Are all the spin maintainers aware?
- Is the websites team that builds and maintains spins.fp.o aware, and ready to handle only updating some of the spins listed there?
- Is it in the release notes?
etc.
It's a very large change to drop five deliverables, obviously.
Bill
websites are aware, spin maintainers were notified via the spins list, no objections have been raised. not sure if its in the release notes.
Dennis
Perhaps the question we really need to ask is how should we deploy and install Fedora, Which is not something we can change or solve for f19 or probably even f20. An idea that comes to mind is to have package selections and post install config tasks ship as kickstart snippets with the DVD. we then use grub/syslinux to present a menu to the users to have different frameworks that resemble the spins the kickstart is fed to anaconda then at boot time or anaconda gives you the option to select them.
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On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Dennis Gilmore dennis@ausil.us wrote:
websites are aware, spin maintainers were notified via the spins list, no objections have been raised. not sure if its in the release notes.
Hi,
I can't speak for other spins but MATE-Compiz spins site has been created and will go live when F19 is GA (AFAIK).
http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/mate-compiz/
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/204
Thank you robyduck.
Dan
2013/6/25 Dan Mashal dan.mashal@gmail.com:
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Dennis Gilmore dennis@ausil.us wrote:
websites are aware, spin maintainers were notified via the spins list, no objections have been raised. not sure if its in the release notes.
Hi,
I can't speak for other spins but MATE-Compiz spins site has been created and will go live when F19 is GA (AFAIK).
http://spins.stg.fedoraproject.org/mate-compiz/
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/204
Thank you robyduck.
Dan
Thanks to you Dan :) and yes, MATE-Compiz pages (an also the new JAM spin pages) will be live at F19 Release Time. As Dennis said, websites team is aware of the spins we will release for the next GA; same for the Design Team which produces the banners for the spins websites. Normally we get in contact directly with the single spin maintainers if we need to produce new pages. Dropping spins which breaks on final composing is not so much effort, happened for example the last time for the Games spin (F18). Cheers.
-- Robert Mayr (robyduck)
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
back in April we discussed the F19 spins and it was widely agreed that http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/19/Spins is the canonical list of approved spins that need to be produced. However this doesn't seem to be the case, I only see the desktop spins. In fact, that is not even true given that I cannot find MATE either.
What does the spins SIG need to do in order to get the remaining spins?
Hi Cristoph,
I believe the next step with my spin is sending to the board after a few builds?
Dan
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