Talking Points, Spin summaries

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

Hey there,

Spin maintainers are kindly requested to take a look at their spin
summaries and detailed descriptions (on their Spins Page).

These paragraphs will be used all over the fedoraproject.org realm of
things, such as, like last release:

http://spins.fedoraunity.org/
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Talking_Points

etc., etc., etc.

About right now the time is right to start working on it, and possibly
get some other people involved in terms of like quoting satisfied users
of your Spin and new converts or something.

-- Jeroen

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen
 wrote:
> Hey there,
>
> Spin maintainers are kindly requested to take a look at their spin
> summaries and detailed descriptions (on their Spins Page).
>
> These paragraphs will be used all over the fedoraproject.org realm of
> things, such as, like last release:
>
> http://spins.fedoraunity.org/
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Talking_Points
>
> etc., etc., etc.

So can you please explain what has changed recently about this Talking
points issue ?
Paul deleted twice FEL's one paragraph on F-12 talking points. What
tells me that the time spent to write something for FEL would not be
spent for nothing ?

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Fedora_12_Talking_Points&dif...

Cheers,
Chitlesh

[Paul W. Frields]

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 09:18:09AM +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen
>  wrote:
> > Hey there,
> >
> > Spin maintainers are kindly requested to take a look at their spin
> > summaries and detailed descriptions (on their Spins Page).
> >
> > These paragraphs will be used all over the fedoraproject.org realm of
> > things, such as, like last release:
> >
> > http://spins.fedoraunity.org/
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Talking_Points
> >
> > etc., etc., etc.
>
> So can you please explain what has changed recently about this Talking
> points issue ?
> Paul deleted twice FEL's one paragraph on F-12 talking points. What
> tells me that the time spent to write something for FEL would not be
> spent for nothing ?
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Fedora_12_Talking_Points&dif...

Hi Chitlesh,

The talking points for F13 are scheduled to contain the following:

* Highlighted pointers to brand-new spins this release (4 in all -
  Moblin, SoaS, Design Suite, and Security)

* Pointers to existing pages on spins.fedoraproject.org, where spin
  owners can post their own talking points or other updated materials
  to show off what's new in their spins

We are also working on some website updates that will better promote
spins.fedoraproject.org, such as fixing the right-hand side boxes on
get.fedoraproject.org to feature a link to spins.fp.o.  We created the
spins sites at spins.fp.o so that every spin owner would have a choice
for what content to offer their users, and could update that content
as often as desired.  We also offer subdomain entries for those spin
owners who want them, e.g. http://kde.fedoraproject.org .

The talking points were never meant to collect all the updates to
every spin for each release.  If they did, they would quickly expand
in size until they were too big to be useful.  I tried to explain the
rationale earlier[1], but maybe I didn't do it well.

* * *
[1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-January/013347.htm...

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Paul W. Frields  wrote:
> Hi Chitlesh,
>
> The talking points for F13 are scheduled to contain the following:
> Highlighted pointers to brand-new spins this release (4 in all -
>
> Moblin, SoaS, Design Suite, and Security)

Hello there,

You mentioned _brand-new spins_. Jeroen called spin maintainers
(assuming all) to write something. Who's to listen ? Note that some of
us contribute in our free time, thus it is sad to waste time on
non-productive items.
> The talking points were never meant to collect all the updates to
> every spin for each release.  If they did, they would quickly expand
> in size until they were too big to be useful.  I tried to explain the
> rationale earlier[1], but maybe I didn't do it well.

I like the fact that you mentioned _all the updates_. Please read
again all the threads with respect to this since, on F-12 talking
points it was only one paragraph about a major work done with respect
to FEL. Unlike any other spin, FEL spin is the only one which provides
a FULL (more than 25 pages) update release notes [1] for F-12. As a
Fedora ambassador, I know which information which needs to be conveyed
and which information even Fedora ambassadors don't know - because
information is not being spread internally.

[1]: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/papers/FEL12ReleaseNotes.pdf

Chitlesh

[Paul W. Frields]

On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 08:30:54PM +0100, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Paul W. Frields  wrote:
> > Hi Chitlesh,
> >
> > The talking points for F13 are scheduled to contain the following:
> > Highlighted pointers to brand-new spins this release (4 in all -
> >
> > Moblin, SoaS, Design Suite, and Security)
>
> Hello there,
>
> You mentioned _brand-new spins_. Jeroen called spin maintainers
> (assuming all) to write something. Who's to listen ? Note that some of
> us contribute in our free time, thus it is sad to waste time on
> non-productive items.
> > The talking points were never meant to collect all the updates to
> > every spin for each release.  If they did, they would quickly expand
> > in size until they were too big to be useful.  I tried to explain the
> > rationale earlier[1], but maybe I didn't do it well.
>
> I like the fact that you mentioned _all the updates_. Please read
> again all the threads with respect to this since, on F-12 talking
> points it was only one paragraph about a major work done with respect
> to FEL. Unlike any other spin, FEL spin is the only one which provides
> a FULL (more than 25 pages) update release notes [1] for F-12. As a
> Fedora ambassador, I know which information which needs to be conveyed
> and which information even Fedora ambassadors don't know - because
> information is not being spread internally.

Hi Chitlesh,

Hopefully this will help:

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-March/011901.html

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> Hi Chitlesh,
>
> Hopefully this will help:
>
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-March/011901.html

Well it does not resolve the conflicts between you said and what Jeroen asked.

Chitlesh

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

On 03/02/2010 08:30 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Paul W. Frields  wrote:
> > Hi Chitlesh,
> >
> > The talking points for F13 are scheduled to contain the following:
> > Highlighted pointers to brand-new spins this release (4 in all -
> >
> > Moblin, SoaS, Design Suite, and Security)
>
> Hello there,
>
> You mentioned _brand-new spins_. Jeroen called spin maintainers
> (assuming all) to write something. Who's to listen ? Note that some of
> us contribute in our free time, thus it is sad to waste time on
> non-productive items.

There's at least one, possibly two, and potentially more applications of
the summary and detailed description that you give on your Spins page:

1) spins.fp.o
2) if listed and applicable to your Spin, the Talking Points for Fedora 13

What I asked, or wanted to ask, the Spin maintainers was to look at
their Spins page, possibly update their summary and detailed description
of the Spin, if needed, and, if applicable, update the Talking Points
for Fedora 13.

-- Jeroen