8:24 a.m.
Is the Moblin spin going to get renamed for F14?
If so we'll need to do another trademark check with the board. Also the
wiki page for the new name should get created. Spins are supposed to
be submitted by next week, so this change should happen soon if it is
going to happen for F14.
9:37 a.m.
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
Is the Moblin spin going to get renamed for F14?
If so we'll need to do another trademark check with the board. Also the
wiki page for the new name should get created. Spins are supposed to
be submitted by next week, so this change should happen soon if it is
going to happen for F14.
Yes it is. I mentioned it in one of the other threads. Sorry I've been
massively busy and are just starting to catch up. I will do the page
over the weekend. Paul and RH Legal have already dealt with the
trademark side of things. Added Paul so he can fill in those legal
details.
Peter
10:10 a.m.
On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 15:37:03 +0100,
"pbrobinson(a)gmail.com" <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Bruno Wolff III
<bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
> Is the Moblin spin going to get renamed for F14?
> If so we'll need to do another trademark check with the board. Also the
> wiki page for the new name should get created. Spins are supposed to
> be submitted by next week, so this change should happen soon if it is
> going to happen for F14.
Yes it is. I mentioned it in one of the other threads. Sorry I've been
massively busy and are just starting to catch up. I will do the page
over the weekend. Paul and RH Legal have already dealt with the
trademark side of things. Added Paul so he can fill in those legal
details.
Thanks. Most likely I'll be functioning as an interim Wrangler and planned
on going through at least some of the spin pages this weekend. I'll save
Moblin/Meego for last and won't look at it too carefully until after the
name change.
For Paul, can we assume the trademark approval for Meego is done then, or
do we need to do the board step again? (I'm hoping it can be considered
done.)
11:44 a.m.
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 15:37:03 +0100,
"pbrobinson(a)gmail.com" <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
> > Is the Moblin spin going to get renamed for F14?
> > If so we'll need to do another trademark check with the board. Also the
> > wiki page for the new name should get created. Spins are supposed to
> > be submitted by next week, so this change should happen soon if it is
> > going to happen for F14.
>
> Yes it is. I mentioned it in one of the other threads. Sorry I've been
> massively busy and are just starting to catch up. I will do the page
> over the weekend. Paul and RH Legal have already dealt with the
> trademark side of things. Added Paul so he can fill in those legal
> details.
Thanks. Most likely I'll be functioning as an interim Wrangler and planned
on going through at least some of the spin pages this weekend. I'll save
Moblin/Meego for last and won't look at it too carefully until after the
name change.
Excellent! I'm very glad you've stepped up. In the last 2 Months I've
travelled for a month, started a new job and moved house so I'm a
little behind in my Fedora schedule and email :-(
For Paul, can we assume the trademark approval for Meego is done
then, or
do we need to do the board step again? (I'm hoping it can be considered
done.)
That is my understanding so yes, hopefully he'll step in here and
confirm either way.
Peter
6:08 a.m.
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 15:37:03 +0100,
"pbrobinson(a)gmail.com" <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
> > Is the Moblin spin going to get renamed for F14?
> > If so we'll need to do another trademark check with the board. Also the
> > wiki page for the new name should get created. Spins are supposed to
> > be submitted by next week, so this change should happen soon if it is
> > going to happen for F14.
>
> Yes it is. I mentioned it in one of the other threads. Sorry I've been
> massively busy and are just starting to catch up. I will do the page
> over the weekend. Paul and RH Legal have already dealt with the
> trademark side of things. Added Paul so he can fill in those legal
> details.
Thanks. Most likely I'll be functioning as an interim Wrangler and planned
on going through at least some of the spin pages this weekend. I'll save
Moblin/Meego for last and won't look at it too carefully until after the
name change.
Done. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MeeGo_Spin
Cheers,
Peter
11:50 a.m.
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:08:04 +0100,
"pbrobinson(a)gmail.com" <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I have a question about how you want to treat this spin. Normally the procedure
for recurring spins has the spin page containing links to the previous
versions of the spin page at each release. I am not sure if that is something
we'd want to do in this case because of the rebranding of the spin.
What is your preference for that?
P.S. I was going to also ask about renaming the kickstart file, but I see
you took care of that already. This will impact the nightly builds.
12:04 p.m.
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:08:04 +0100,
"pbrobinson(a)gmail.com" <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Done. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MeeGo_Spin
I have a question about how you want to treat this spin. Normally the procedure
for recurring spins has the spin page containing links to the previous
versions of the spin page at each release. I am not sure if that is something
we'd want to do in this case because of the rebranding of the spin.
What is your preference for that?
I agree I think we keep it separate.
P.S. I was going to also ask about renaming the kickstart file, but I
see
you took care of that already. This will impact the nightly builds.
I thought it might, can we get that updated even though I think the
build will be currently broken due to dep issues. I'm hoping to have
that fixed in the next couple of days.
Thanks,
Peter
12:10 p.m.
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 18:04:33 +0100,
"pbrobinson(a)gmail.com" <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I thought it might, can we get that updated even though I think the
build will be currently broken due to dep issues. I'm hoping to have
that fixed in the next couple of days.
nirik will probably see this thread, but otherwise I'll bring it up at the
meeting tomorrow. It shouldn't be hard to fix. I mostly wanted to note
that we need to make sure it get's done.
I'll see if I can get some MeeGo Moblin related wiki changes done and have
them ready for you to review. The old page should be treated like a
discontinued spin and I want a link to the kickstart file for both the
old and the new pages. I also need to update the releases page to point to
the new spin page. (The releases page has a summary that you should look at
and change, but wait until I get the other things doen, so you can review
all of them at once.)
12:13 p.m.
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 18:04:33 +0100,
"pbrobinson(a)gmail.com" <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I thought it might, can we get that updated even though I think the
> build will be currently broken due to dep issues. I'm hoping to have
> that fixed in the next couple of days.
nirik will probably see this thread, but otherwise I'll bring it up at the
meeting tomorrow. It shouldn't be hard to fix. I mostly wanted to note
that we need to make sure it get's done.
I'll see if I can get some MeeGo Moblin related wiki changes done and have
them ready for you to review. The old page should be treated like a
discontinued spin and I want a link to the kickstart file for both the
old and the new pages. I also need to update the releases page to point to
the new spin page. (The releases page has a summary that you should look at
and change, but wait until I get the other things doen, so you can review
all of them at once.)
Excellent, thanks for this. If works not to crazy tomorrow I hope to
be at tomorrow's meeting, I've just moved positions and the last month
or so its all been a little manic!
Peter
12:20 p.m.
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 12:10:11 -0500
Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 18:04:33 +0100,
"pbrobinson(a)gmail.com" <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I thought it might, can we get that updated even though I think the
> build will be currently broken due to dep issues. I'm hoping to have
> that fixed in the next couple of days.
nirik will probably see this thread, but otherwise I'll bring it up
at the meeting tomorrow. It shouldn't be hard to fix. I mostly wanted
to note that we need to make sure it get's done.
I've already made the change in the nightly-compose script. :)
Of course there has not been a rawhide compose the last few days due to
the koji outage. Will see how it looks tomorrow. ;)
kevin
12:03 p.m.
On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 03:37:03PM +0100, pbrobinson(a)gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Bruno Wolff III
<bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
> Is the Moblin spin going to get renamed for F14?
> If so we'll need to do another trademark check with the board. Also the
> wiki page for the new name should get created. Spins are supposed to
> be submitted by next week, so this change should happen soon if it is
> going to happen for F14.
Yes it is. I mentioned it in one of the other threads. Sorry I've been
massively busy and are just starting to catch up. I will do the page
over the weekend. Paul and RH Legal have already dealt with the
trademark side of things. Added Paul so he can fill in those legal
details.
Correct, I've already been in contact with Red Hat Legal about a spin
containing MeeGo. The Linux Foundation has issued specific
guidelines[1] for usage of the MeeGo marks, which should be followed.
In practical terms, our responsibility amounts to two points:
* Ensure the spin passes the compliance tests issued by the Linux
Foundation. The tests confirm that the MeeGo software issued in the
spin are fully compatible with the intentions of MeeGo upstream and
eligible for the mark.
* Use a name for the spin that complies with the guidelines. There
are some formulations already approved[1]. Unfortunately, none of
them work well in the case of spins, which are not products designed
*for use with* MeeGo, but rather showcases of MeeGo technology
itself. In cases where two trademarks owned by different entities
are used together, it's often important to make sure that the usage
together doesn't create the impression that one entity owns the
other's trademark.[2] So I've asked the LF to tell us whether it's
acceptable to them for us to use the term "MeeGo Spin by Fedora."
Our counsel at Red Hat gave me some help last week but I've been
delinquent in moving the next question to Linux Foundation. That's
done now and I hope to have an answer soon.
From the Board's perspective, the issue for a spin is not usually
whether we're allowed to use someone else's trademark. The issue the
Board usually is concerned with is whether the spin is eligible to
carry the Fedora trademark. But it's probably best to go ahead and
send the request through, just to make sure everyone's informed and on
board (har!).
* * *
[1] https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/linux-foundation-trademark-usage-gu...
[2] IANAL, TINLA, etc. ;-)
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2:41 p.m.
On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 01:03:25PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 03:37:03PM +0100, pbrobinson(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
> > Is the Moblin spin going to get renamed for F14?
> > If so we'll need to do another trademark check with the board. Also the
> > wiki page for the new name should get created. Spins are supposed to
> > be submitted by next week, so this change should happen soon if it is
> > going to happen for F14.
>
> Yes it is. I mentioned it in one of the other threads. Sorry I've been
> massively busy and are just starting to catch up. I will do the page
> over the weekend. Paul and RH Legal have already dealt with the
> trademark side of things. Added Paul so he can fill in those legal
> details.
Correct, I've already been in contact with Red Hat Legal about a spin
containing MeeGo. The Linux Foundation has issued specific
guidelines[1] for usage of the MeeGo marks, which should be followed.
In practical terms, our responsibility amounts to two points:
* Ensure the spin passes the compliance tests issued by the Linux
Foundation. The tests confirm that the MeeGo software issued in the
spin are fully compatible with the intentions of MeeGo upstream and
eligible for the mark.
* Use a name for the spin that complies with the guidelines. There
are some formulations already approved[1]. Unfortunately, none of
them work well in the case of spins, which are not products designed
*for use with* MeeGo, but rather showcases of MeeGo technology
itself. In cases where two trademarks owned by different entities
are used together, it's often important to make sure that the usage
together doesn't create the impression that one entity owns the
other's trademark.[2] So I've asked the LF to tell us whether it's
acceptable to them for us to use the term "MeeGo Spin by Fedora."
Our counsel at Red Hat gave me some help last week but I've been
delinquent in moving the next question to Linux Foundation. That's
done now and I hope to have an answer soon.
From the Board's perspective, the issue for a spin is not usually
whether we're allowed to use someone else's trademark. The issue the
Board usually is concerned with is whether the spin is eligible to
carry the Fedora trademark. But it's probably best to go ahead and
send the request through, just to make sure everyone's informed and on
board (har!).
* * *
[1] https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/linux-foundation-trademark-usage-gu...
[2] IANAL, TINLA, etc. ;-)
Following up on this -- we were in contact with counsel at the Linux
Foundation and they gave us permission to call the spin either "Fedora
Spin of MeeGo" or "MeeGo Spin by Fedora," the latter of which is (I
think) the preferred one.
Jared is following up with the Board to make sure they're aware too.
We'll also make sure there's a follow-up on any further approval
needed by the Board. It's currently an open item in the Board's
agenda.
--
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Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com
2:49 p.m.
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 01:03:25PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 03:37:03PM +0100, pbrobinson(a)gmail.com wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> wrote:
> > > Is the Moblin spin going to get renamed for F14?
> > > If so we'll need to do another trademark check with the board. Also
the
> > > wiki page for the new name should get created. Spins are supposed to
> > > be submitted by next week, so this change should happen soon if it is
> > > going to happen for F14.
> >
> > Yes it is. I mentioned it in one of the other threads. Sorry I've been
> > massively busy and are just starting to catch up. I will do the page
> > over the weekend. Paul and RH Legal have already dealt with the
> > trademark side of things. Added Paul so he can fill in those legal
> > details.
>
> Correct, I've already been in contact with Red Hat Legal about a spin
> containing MeeGo. The Linux Foundation has issued specific
> guidelines[1] for usage of the MeeGo marks, which should be followed.
> In practical terms, our responsibility amounts to two points:
>
> * Ensure the spin passes the compliance tests issued by the Linux
> Foundation. The tests confirm that the MeeGo software issued in the
> spin are fully compatible with the intentions of MeeGo upstream and
> eligible for the mark.
>
> * Use a name for the spin that complies with the guidelines. There
> are some formulations already approved[1]. Unfortunately, none of
> them work well in the case of spins, which are not products designed
> *for use with* MeeGo, but rather showcases of MeeGo technology
> itself. In cases where two trademarks owned by different entities
> are used together, it's often important to make sure that the usage
> together doesn't create the impression that one entity owns the
> other's trademark.[2] So I've asked the LF to tell us whether it's
> acceptable to them for us to use the term "MeeGo Spin by Fedora."
>
> Our counsel at Red Hat gave me some help last week but I've been
> delinquent in moving the next question to Linux Foundation. That's
> done now and I hope to have an answer soon.
>
> From the Board's perspective, the issue for a spin is not usually
> whether we're allowed to use someone else's trademark. The issue the
> Board usually is concerned with is whether the spin is eligible to
> carry the Fedora trademark. But it's probably best to go ahead and
> send the request through, just to make sure everyone's informed and on
> board (har!).
>
> * * *
> [1]
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/linux-foundation-trademark-usage-gu...
> [2] IANAL, TINLA, etc. ;-)
Following up on this -- we were in contact with counsel at the Linux
Foundation and they gave us permission to call the spin either "Fedora
Spin of MeeGo" or "MeeGo Spin by Fedora," the latter of which is (I
think) the preferred one.
Jared is following up with the Board to make sure they're aware too.
We'll also make sure there's a follow-up on any further approval
needed by the Board. It's currently an open item in the Board's
agenda.
Thanks for the follow up. I prefer the later one as well.
Cheers,
Peter
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