GitLab proposal wiki page

[Mrigesh Pokhrel]

Hi,
    I have made my Proposal wiki page[1] for your reference , do comment
and review it and help me in improving it as required.

[1]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_rag3nix/Gitlib

IRC : rag3nix , rag3

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Sat, 4 May 2013 23:59:41 +0530
Mrigesh Pokhrel  wrote:
> Hi,
>     I have made my Proposal wiki page[1] for your reference , do
> comment and review it and help me in improving it as required.
>
> [1]
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_rag3nix/Gitlib
>
> IRC : rag3nix , rag3

So, this idea has changed a lot since it was on the idea page.

Basically the current thing that needs doing is packaging gitlab and
all it's vast dependencies into Fedora/EPEL. This will allow anyone
interested in running it to simply yum install it and go, which will be
great. :)

This would allow us down the road to deploy one in Fedora
Infrastructure if it meets our needs. (and it would use the normal RFR
process at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Request_For_Resources?rd=Infrastructure/RFR
)
See discussion on the infrastructure list about how gitlab may or may
not meet our needs (mostly around how they handle public repos).
Additionally, if we do decide to setup gitlab, I think it very likely
we would NOT move all our hosted projects to it, but instead allow it
as a opt-in or additional resource (possibly even allowing anyone with
a fedora account to just make their own projects there).

So, I would suggest you re-work your proposal as packging it up (or
choose another one if you are not interested in packaging).

I've reworked the suggestions page: 
https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Summer_coding_ideas_for_2013&...
to better reflect this.

Sorry for the confusion.

kevin

[Mrigesh Pokhrel]

Hi,
   So, The GitLab hosting project has been scrubbed and replaced with
packaging. What about the GSOC submission? Anyways , the change is not the
issue. A few days back Vit sent me links about packaging[1][2], I have
already started on it . But then still , how would the change in project
idea affect my evaluation , as I understand it changes the whole proposal
idea so should I change my proposal accordingly and am I allowed to do so
now?

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Ruby

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> On Sat, 4 May 2013 23:59:41 +0530
> Mrigesh Pokhrel  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >     I have made my Proposal wiki page[1] for your reference , do
> > comment and review it and help me in improving it as required.
> >
> > [1]
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_rag3nix/Gitlib
> > IRC : rag3nix , rag3
>
> So, this idea has changed a lot since it was on the idea page.
>
> Basically the current thing that needs doing is packaging gitlab and
> all it's vast dependencies into Fedora/EPEL. This will allow anyone
> interested in running it to simply yum install it and go, which will be
> great. :)
>
> This would allow us down the road to deploy one in Fedora
> Infrastructure if it meets our needs. (and it would use the normal RFR
> process at:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Request_For_Resources?rd=Infrastructure/RFR
> )
> See discussion on the infrastructure list about how gitlab may or may
> not meet our needs (mostly around how they handle public repos).
> Additionally, if we do decide to setup gitlab, I think it very likely
> we would NOT move all our hosted projects to it, but instead allow it
> as a opt-in or additional resource (possibly even allowing anyone with
> a fedora account to just make their own projects there).
>
> So, I would suggest you re-work your proposal as packging it up (or
> choose another one if you are not interested in packaging).
>
> I've reworked the suggestions page:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Summer_coding_ideas_for_2013&...
> to better reflect this.
>
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
> kevin

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Sun, 5 May 2013 11:21:53 +0530
Mrigesh Pokhrel  wrote:
> Hi,
>    So, The GitLab hosting project has been scrubbed and replaced with
> packaging. What about the GSOC submission?

The "idea" for it has been around for years, but it was simply carried
over from previous years. We recently looked more closely at it and
decided that it wouldn't really be a great fit until they added more
public repo ability. In any case it would need to be packaged before we
can use it in Fedora Infrastructure and doing so is probibly already
more than a GSoC worth of work. ;(
> Anyways , the change is
> not the issue. A few days back Vit sent me links about
> packaging[1][2], I have already started on it .

Note that there are at least 2 other people interested in this as well.
> But then still , how
> would the change in project idea affect my evaluation , as I
> understand it changes the whole proposal idea so should I change my
> proposal accordingly and am I allowed to do so now?

I don't know what the deadlines or process is there.

Sorry for changing the ideas page so late, but I wanted to make it
reflect more reality. :(

kevin
--
> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines
> [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Ruby
>
> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> > On Sat, 4 May 2013 23:59:41 +0530
> > Mrigesh Pokhrel  wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >     I have made my Proposal wiki page[1] for your reference , do
> > > comment and review it and help me in improving it as required.
> > >
> > > [1]
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_rag3nix/Gitlib
> > > IRC : rag3nix , rag3
> >
> > So, this idea has changed a lot since it was on the idea page.
> >
> > Basically the current thing that needs doing is packaging gitlab and
> > all it's vast dependencies into Fedora/EPEL. This will allow anyone
> > interested in running it to simply yum install it and go, which
> > will be great. :)
> >
> > This would allow us down the road to deploy one in Fedora
> > Infrastructure if it meets our needs. (and it would use the normal
> > RFR process at:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Request_For_Resources?rd=Infrastructure/RFR
> > )
> > See discussion on the infrastructure list about how gitlab may or
> > may not meet our needs (mostly around how they handle public repos).
> > Additionally, if we do decide to setup gitlab, I think it very
> > likely we would NOT move all our hosted projects to it, but instead
> > allow it as a opt-in or additional resource (possibly even allowing
> > anyone with a fedora account to just make their own projects there).
> >
> > So, I would suggest you re-work your proposal as packging it up (or
> > choose another one if you are not interested in packaging).
> >
> > I've reworked the suggestions page:
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Summer_coding_ideas_for_2013&...
> > to better reflect this.
> >
> > Sorry for the confusion.
> >
> > kevin

[Mrigesh Pokhrel]

Hi Kevin,
    I am as interested in this project as I was before, the changing of
Title isnt an issue . What I am worried about is my proposal does not fit
with the current idea. So I was asking the mentor for this project if I am
allowed to modify it. I mailed bckurera and he said he has no problem as
long as the mentor is ready with it. I have read about the packaging and am
talking on ML about RFR and same. I have a proposal ready to resubmit on
fedora wiki. Just waiting if I am allowed to do so.

Regards
Mrigesh Pokhrel

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> On Sun, 5 May 2013 11:21:53 +0530
> Mrigesh Pokhrel  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >    So, The GitLab hosting project has been scrubbed and replaced with
> > packaging. What about the GSOC submission?
>
> The "idea" for it has been around for years, but it was simply carried
> over from previous years. We recently looked more closely at it and
> decided that it wouldn't really be a great fit until they added more
> public repo ability. In any case it would need to be packaged before we
> can use it in Fedora Infrastructure and doing so is probibly already
> more than a GSoC worth of work. ;(
> > Anyways , the change is
> > not the issue. A few days back Vit sent me links about
> > packaging[1][2], I have already started on it .
>
> Note that there are at least 2 other people interested in this as well.
> > But then still , how
> > would the change in project idea affect my evaluation , as I
> > understand it changes the whole proposal idea so should I change my
> > proposal accordingly and am I allowed to do so now?
>
> I don't know what the deadlines or process is there.
>
> Sorry for changing the ideas page so late, but I wanted to make it
> reflect more reality. :(
> kevin
> > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines
> > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Ruby
> >
> > On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> > > On Sat, 4 May 2013 23:59:41 +0530
> > > Mrigesh Pokhrel  wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >     I have made my Proposal wiki page[1] for your reference , do
> > > > comment and review it and help me in improving it as required.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_rag3nix/Gitlib
> > > > IRC : rag3nix , rag3
> > >
> > > So, this idea has changed a lot since it was on the idea page.
> > >
> > > Basically the current thing that needs doing is packaging gitlab and
> > > all it's vast dependencies into Fedora/EPEL. This will allow anyone
> > > interested in running it to simply yum install it and go, which
> > > will be great. :)
> > >
> > > This would allow us down the road to deploy one in Fedora
> > > Infrastructure if it meets our needs. (and it would use the normal
> > > RFR process at:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Request_For_Resources?rd=Infrastructure/RFR
> > > )
> > > See discussion on the infrastructure list about how gitlab may or
> > > may not meet our needs (mostly around how they handle public repos).
> > > Additionally, if we do decide to setup gitlab, I think it very
> > > likely we would NOT move all our hosted projects to it, but instead
> > > allow it as a opt-in or additional resource (possibly even allowing
> > > anyone with a fedora account to just make their own projects there).
> > >
> > > So, I would suggest you re-work your proposal as packging it up (or
> > > choose another one if you are not interested in packaging).
> > >
> > > I've reworked the suggestions page:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Summer_coding_ideas_for_2013&...
> > > to better reflect this.
> > >
> > > Sorry for the confusion.
> > >
> > > kevin

[Sarup Banskota]

Hi all,

Sorry to interfere (I'm not involved with this project), but I guess if
this project is very large and the ideas page has been refreshed, then it
can be split into GSoC-worthy portions over the summer among interested
applicants? That way, it benefits the project. As long as it doesn't appear
to be teamwork, and can be split into chunks that don't depend on another
person's work, it should be in keeping with GSoC's rules as well.

Thank you,
Sarup Banskota

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Mrigesh Pokhrel wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>     I am as interested in this project as I was before, the changing of
> Title isnt an issue . What I am worried about is my proposal does not fit
> with the current idea. So I was asking the mentor for this project if I am
> allowed to modify it. I mailed bckurera and he said he has no problem as
> long as the mentor is ready with it. I have read about the packaging and am
> talking on ML about RFR and same. I have a proposal ready to resubmit on
> fedora wiki. Just waiting if I am allowed to do so.
>
> Regards
> Mrigesh Pokhrel
>
> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> > On Sun, 5 May 2013 11:21:53 +0530
> > Mrigesh Pokhrel  wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >    So, The GitLab hosting project has been scrubbed and replaced with
> > > packaging. What about the GSOC submission?
> >
> > The "idea" for it has been around for years, but it was simply carried
> > over from previous years. We recently looked more closely at it and
> > decided that it wouldn't really be a great fit until they added more
> > public repo ability. In any case it would need to be packaged before we
> > can use it in Fedora Infrastructure and doing so is probibly already
> > more than a GSoC worth of work. ;(
> > > Anyways , the change is
> > > not the issue. A few days back Vit sent me links about
> > > packaging[1][2], I have already started on it .
> >
> > Note that there are at least 2 other people interested in this as well.
> > > But then still , how
> > > would the change in project idea affect my evaluation , as I
> > > understand it changes the whole proposal idea so should I change my
> > > proposal accordingly and am I allowed to do so now?
> >
> > I don't know what the deadlines or process is there.
> >
> > Sorry for changing the ideas page so late, but I wanted to make it
> > reflect more reality. :(
> > kevin
> > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines
> > > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Ruby
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 4 May 2013 23:59:41 +0530
> > > > Mrigesh Pokhrel  wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >     I have made my Proposal wiki page[1] for your reference , do
> > > > > comment and review it and help me in improving it as required.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GSOC_2013/Student_Application_rag3nix/Gitlib
> > > > > IRC : rag3nix , rag3
> > > >
> > > > So, this idea has changed a lot since it was on the idea page.
> > > >
> > > > Basically the current thing that needs doing is packaging gitlab and
> > > > all it's vast dependencies into Fedora/EPEL. This will allow anyone
> > > > interested in running it to simply yum install it and go, which
> > > > will be great. :)
> > > >
> > > > This would allow us down the road to deploy one in Fedora
> > > > Infrastructure if it meets our needs. (and it would use the normal
> > > > RFR process at:
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Request_For_Resources?rd=Infrastructure/RFR
> > > > )
> > > > See discussion on the infrastructure list about how gitlab may or
> > > > may not meet our needs (mostly around how they handle public repos).
> > > > Additionally, if we do decide to setup gitlab, I think it very
> > > > likely we would NOT move all our hosted projects to it, but instead
> > > > allow it as a opt-in or additional resource (possibly even allowing
> > > > anyone with a fedora account to just make their own projects there).
> > > >
> > > > So, I would suggest you re-work your proposal as packging it up (or
> > > > choose another one if you are not interested in packaging).
> > > >
> > > > I've reworked the suggestions page:
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Summer_coding_ideas_for_2013&...
> > > > to better reflect this.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for the confusion.
> > > >
> > > > kevin
>
> --
> Thanks and Regards
> Mrigesh Pokhrel
> [phone]
>
> summer-coding mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/summer-coding

[Kushal Das]

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Sarup Banskota  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Sorry to interfere (I'm not involved with this project), but I guess if this
> project is very large and the ideas page has been refreshed, then it can be
> split into GSoC-worthy portions over the summer among interested applicants?
> That way, it benefits the project. As long as it doesn't appear to be
> teamwork, and can be split into chunks that don't depend on another person's
> work, it should be in keeping with GSoC's rules as well.

I really want to see how many people will actually volunteer to any
project if we say that please work on it but we will not count that as
part of gsoc.

Kushal

[Mrigesh Pokhrel]

Hi,
There are many who have no knowledge of GSOC and want to contribute but
have no idea how to do so. GSOC is a platform with an added incentive.

Regards,
Mrigesh Pokhrel

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Kushal Das  wrote:
> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Sarup Banskota 
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Sorry to interfere (I'm not involved with this project), but I guess if
>
> this
> > project is very large and the ideas page has been refreshed, then it can
>
> be
> > split into GSoC-worthy portions over the summer among interested
>
> applicants?
> > That way, it benefits the project. As long as it doesn't appear to be
> > teamwork, and can be split into chunks that don't depend on another
>
> person's
> > work, it should be in keeping with GSoC's rules as well.
>
> I really want to see how many people will actually volunteer to any
> project if we say that please work on it but we will not count that as
> part of gsoc.
>
> Kushal
> _______________________________________________
> summer-coding mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/summer-coding

[Gerard Ryan]

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On 05/05/2013 06:03 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Sarup Banskota
>  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Sorry to interfere (I'm not involved with this project), but I
> > guess if this project is very large and the ideas page has been
> > refreshed, then it can be split into GSoC-worthy portions over
> > the summer among interested applicants? That way, it benefits the
> > project. As long as it doesn't appear to be teamwork, and can be
> > split into chunks that don't depend on another person's work, it
> > should be in keeping with GSoC's rules as well.
>
> I really want to see how many people will actually volunteer to
> any project if we say that please work on it but we will not count
> that as part of gsoc.
>
> Kushal _______________________________________________ 
> summer-coding mailing list [e-mail] 
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/summer-coding

A lot of people would not be able to afford to spend time on projects
like this without programmes like GSOC, that's what makes it so great!
I know it may seem like "oh these folks are just doing it for the
money", but many do it because the money enables them to do it (don't
have to spend all their time doing something pointless like flipping
burgers). Even though they many people would like to do it anyway,
they have to spend all their time making as much money as they can so
that they can go back to continue their studies.
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[Anuj More]

I don't think the post by Kushal mentioned anything about money.

I think people would still participate in GSoCs if there wasn't any $$$ in
it, because GSoC participation counts at par with internship experiences.
Or so I have heard ;-)

Some numbers like the contributions of participants before GSoC, during
GSoC, and after GSoC for previous Fedora GSoCs (or for all GSoCs in
general) would be fun to look at. Also, I think every proposal has at least
a couple of entries. Interesting to see how many of the unselected entries
follow up with the progress of the proposal.

Just sayin'.

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Gerard Ryan wrote:
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> On 05/05/2013 06:03 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
> > On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Sarup Banskota
> >  wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Sorry to interfere (I'm not involved with this project), but I
> > > guess if this project is very large and the ideas page has been
> > > refreshed, then it can be split into GSoC-worthy portions over
> > > the summer among interested applicants? That way, it benefits the
> > > project. As long as it doesn't appear to be teamwork, and can be
> > > split into chunks that don't depend on another person's work, it
> > > should be in keeping with GSoC's rules as well.
> >
> > I really want to see how many people will actually volunteer to
> > any project if we say that please work on it but we will not count
> > that as part of gsoc.
> >
> > Kushal _______________________________________________
> > summer-coding mailing list [e-mail]
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/summer-coding
>
> A lot of people would not be able to afford to spend time on projects
> like this without programmes like GSOC, that's what makes it so great!
> I know it may seem like "oh these folks are just doing it for the
> money", but many do it because the money enables them to do it (don't
> have to spend all their time doing something pointless like flipping
> burgers). Even though they many people would like to do it anyway,
> they have to spend all their time making as much money as they can so
> that they can go back to continue their studies.
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[Axilleas Pipinellis]

On 05/05/2013 08:03 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Sarup Banskota  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Sorry to interfere (I'm not involved with this project), but I guess if this
> > project is very large and the ideas page has been refreshed, then it can be
> > split into GSoC-worthy portions over the summer among interested applicants?
> > That way, it benefits the project. As long as it doesn't appear to be
> > teamwork, and can be split into chunks that don't depend on another person's
> > work, it should be in keeping with GSoC's rules as well.
>
> I really want to see how many people will actually volunteer to any
> project if we say that please work on it but we will not count that as
> part of gsoc.
>
> Kushal

There are already 4(?) who have applied for this project. Even if one is
to get picked, I hope that the rest will contribute and help as well.
The truth is that this project needs longterm maintenance/support more
than just the packaging stuff.