Regarding rpms available for testing

[qrsBRWN]

Hi all

I'm eager to start testing sway 1.0 (with as many of the supporting packages as
possible) on f29 and f30. Does anyone have a copr repo (or similar) which is up to date?
There's a bit of a jungle of different copr repos right now with a bunch being forked
from eachother and few, if any, have any recent builds going.
I could of course do some testing in rawhide but that limits my ability to do real life
testing since I'm not eager to run rawhide as a daily driver.

Do we (as in anyone here) have a clear view of what remains before testing on f29 and f30
can begin in a broader sense?

Br
Markus

[Timothée Floure]

Hello,

>  Do we (as in anyone here) have a clear view of what remains before
> testing on
>  f29 and f30 can begin in a broader sense? 
I don't think we should update sway in F29 since 1.0 is a major release with
potential breaking changes. I believe we should either:

  * Use modularity to provide a Sway 1.0 module for F29(+F30?)
  * Maintain (as a SIG) some kind of "official" copr repository for F29(+F30?)

Does anyone has an opinion on the subject? It would also be nice to post an
article on the magazine once Sway 1.0 is officialy available in Fedora :-)

Cheers,

-- 
Timothée

[qrsBRWN]

Hi

On March 31, 2019 1:59:57 PM GMT+02:00, "Timothée Floure"
<timothee.floure(a)fnux.ch&gt; wrote:
> Hello,
>
> > Do we (as in anyone here) have a clear view of what remains before
> testing on
> > f29 and f30 can begin in a broader sense?
>
> I don't think we should update sway in F29 since 1.0 is a major release
> with
> potential breaking changes. I believe we should either:
>
>   * Use modularity to provide a Sway 1.0 module for F29(+F30?) 
This would be the way to do it if targeting F29 and F30 (imho of course) and I think this
needs to be done. F29 and F30 will be around for a while and I think it would be a
disservice to leave users at 0.15.

> * Maintain (as a SIG) some kind of "official" copr
> repository for
> F29(+F30?) 
This we need to get quickly to option 1 afterwards it may have served it's purpose
though
> Does anyone has an opinion on the subject? It would also be nice to
> post an
> article on the magazine once Sway 1.0 is officialy available in Fedora
> :-)
>
> Cheers, 
Br
M

[Jan Staněk]

Hi Markus!

On 31. 03. 19 14:11, qrsBRWN wrote:
>  This we need to get quickly to option 1 afterwards it may have served
> it's purpose though 
From my experience, creating module is rather time consuming, and I have
not yet wrapped my head around it properly. Although it is the correct
way forward to have it shipped in Fedora, for quick'n'dirty packages for
testing purposes COPR may be better.

If you are willing to create/maintain one, we could probably declare it
the "official Sway SIG COPR", with a disclaimer "for testing purposes
only" and a link to the module/installation instructions once they are
ready.

Thoughts?

Have a nice day,
Jan
-- 
Jan Staněk
Associate Software Engineer, Core Services
Red Hat Czech
jstanek(a)redhat.com     IM: jstanek

[Dan Čermák]

Jan Staněk <jstanek(a)redhat.com&gt; writes:

>  Hi Markus!
>
>  On 31. 03. 19 14:11, qrsBRWN wrote:
> > This we need to get quickly to option 1 afterwards it may have served it's
> purpose though
>
>  From my experience, creating module is rather time consuming, and I have
>  not yet wrapped my head around it properly. Although it is the correct
>  way forward to have it shipped in Fedora, for quick'n'dirty packages for
>  testing purposes COPR may be better.
>
>  If you are willing to create/maintain one, we could probably declare it
>  the "official Sway SIG COPR", with a disclaimer "for testing purposes
>  only" and a link to the module/installation instructions once they are
>  ready.
>
>  Thoughts? 
Sounds like a good idea, as I too have absolutely zero experience with
modules (albeit they'd be the perfect solution for shipping sway to
older Fedoras).


Cheers,

Dan

>  Have a nice day,
>  Jan
>  -- 
>  Jan Staněk
>  Associate Software Engineer, Core Services
>  Red Hat Czech
>  jstanek(a)redhat.com     IM: jstanek
>
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[qrsBRWN]

Hi

On April 1, 2019 1:19:58 PM GMT+02:00, "Jan Staněk" <jstanek(a)redhat.com&gt;
wrote:
> Hi Markus!
>
> On 31. 03. 19 14:11, qrsBRWN wrote:
> > This we need to get quickly to option 1 afterwards it may have served
> it's purpose though
>
> From my experience, creating module is rather time consuming, and I
> have
> not yet wrapped my head around it properly. Although it is the correct
> way forward to have it shipped in Fedora, for quick'n'dirty packages
> for
> testing purposes COPR may be better. 
Yeah modules is uncharted territory for me too. I'm thinking along to lines that to
get to a module we at least need a COPR for testing.
I will have to be pretty much a permanent fixture so there's no question about where
to get the correct version of the handful of packages that needs to be tested together.

> If you are willing to create/maintain one, we could probably declare it
> the "official Sway SIG COPR", with a disclaimer "for testing purposes
> only" and a link to the module/installation instructions once they are
> ready. 
While I am eager to do my part in getting sway 1.0 into Fedora I also have 3 kids which
makes my time unreliable. Getting time to test and bug report is much easier since I can
run sway as my daily driver and weave testing into my ordinary work days.
That said, if we can't find a more suitable candidate that has a more predictable time
output (aka fewer or older kids) I guess it kinda defaults to me.

>
>Thoughts?
>
>Have a nice day,
>Jan

[qrsBRWN]

A quick heads up. I spent a little time getting aquatinted with copr and think I have
figured out the basics. I'll have a look tomorrow to see if I can things closer to
actually building on f29 and f30.

On April 1, 2019 3:07:56 PM GMT+02:00, qrsBRWN <qrsbrwn(a)uidzero.se&gt; wrote:
> Hi
>
> On April 1, 2019 1:19:58 PM GMT+02:00, "Jan Staněk"
> <jstanek(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
> >Hi Markus!
> >
> >On 31. 03. 19 14:11, qrsBRWN wrote:
> >> This we need to get quickly to option 1 afterwards it may have
> served
> >it's purpose though
> >
> >From my experience, creating module is rather time consuming, and I
> >have
> >not yet wrapped my head around it properly. Although it is the correct
> >way forward to have it shipped in Fedora, for quick'n'dirty packages
> >for
> >testing purposes COPR may be better.
>
> Yeah modules is uncharted territory for me too. I'm thinking along to
> lines that to get to a module we at least need a COPR for testing.
> I will have to be pretty much a permanent fixture so there's no
> question about where to get the correct version of the handful of
> packages that needs to be tested together.
>
> >
> >If you are willing to create/maintain one, we could probably declare
> it
> >the "official Sway SIG COPR", with a disclaimer "for testing purposes
> >only" and a link to the module/installation instructions once they are
> >ready.
>
> While I am eager to do my part in getting sway 1.0 into Fedora I also
> have 3 kids which makes my time unreliable. Getting time to test and
> bug report is much easier since I can run sway as my daily driver and
> weave testing into my ordinary work days.
> That said, if we can't find a more suitable candidate that has a more
> predictable time output (aka fewer or older kids) I guess it kinda
> defaults to me.
>
> >
> >Thoughts?
> >
> >Have a nice day,
> >Jan
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[Till Hofmann]

On 4/1/19 11:40 PM, qrsBRWN wrote:
>  A quick heads up. I spent a little time getting aquatinted with copr
> and
>  think I have figured out the basics. I'll have a look tomorrow to see if
>  I can things closer to actually building on f29 and f30. 
I can highly recommend setting up the packages in your COPR such that
they directly fetch the SPEC from src.fp.o:
https://docs.pagure.org/copr.copr/user_documentation.html#scm

That way you don't really need to do much other than adding those mappings.

Kind regards,
Till
>

[qrsBRWN]

Hi

On April 2, 2019 8:52:36 AM GMT+02:00, Till Hofmann <thofmann(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:
> On 4/1/19 11:40 PM, qrsBRWN wrote:
> > A quick heads up. I spent a little time getting aquatinted with copr
> and
> > think I have figured out the basics. I'll have a look tomorrow to see
> if
> > I can things closer to actually building on f29 and f30.
>
> I can highly recommend setting up the packages in your COPR such that
> they directly fetch the SPEC from src.fp.o:
> https://docs.pagure.org/copr.copr/user_documentation.html#scm
>
> That way you don't really need to do much other than adding those
> mappings. 
Yeah, that was a pleasant surprise. Right now I'm getting my head around build types
in meson since wlroots won't build with the recent changes in meson.
This is much more fun than expected.

>
>Kind regards,
>Till
>> 
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[Timothée Floure]

Hello,

Can you move the project under the sway-sig group on copr so that everyone can
play with it?

Thanks,

-- 
Timothée

On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 09:13:32AM +0200, qrsBRWN wrote:
>  Hi
>  
>  On April 2, 2019 8:52:36 AM GMT+02:00, Till Hofmann <thofmann(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
> wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >On 4/1/19 11:40 PM, qrsBRWN wrote:
>  >> A quick heads up. I spent a little time getting aquatinted with copr
>  >and
>  >> think I have figured out the basics. I'll have a look tomorrow to see
>  >if
>  >> I can things closer to actually building on f29 and f30.
>  >
>  >I can highly recommend setting up the packages in your COPR such that
>  >they directly fetch the SPEC from src.fp.o:
>  >https://docs.pagure.org/copr.copr/user_documentation.html#scm
>  >
>  >That way you don't really need to do much other than adding those
>  >mappings.
>  
>  Yeah, that was a pleasant surprise. Right now I'm getting my head around build types
> in meson since wlroots won't build with the recent changes in meson.
>  This is much more fun than expected.
>  
>  >
>  >Kind regards,
>  >Till
>  >> 
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[qrsBRWN]

Hi

Yeah, I haven't had much time to get anything done except figuring out that the new
meson defaults for b_ndebug breaks the wlroots builds.

I also need to figure out how to move the project. I'll have a look later today,
hopefully.

Br
M

On April 6, 2019 8:09:13 AM GMT+02:00, "Timothée Floure"
<timothee.floure(a)fnux.ch&gt; wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Can you move the project under the sway-sig group on copr so that
> everyone can
> play with it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- 
> Timothée
>
> On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 09:13:32AM +0200, qrsBRWN wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > On April 2, 2019 8:52:36 AM GMT+02:00, Till Hofmann
> <thofmann(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >On 4/1/19 11:40 PM, qrsBRWN wrote:
> > >> A quick heads up. I spent a little time getting aquatinted with
> copr
> > >and
> > >> think I have figured out the basics. I'll have a look tomorrow to
> see
> > >if
> > >> I can things closer to actually building on f29 and f30.
> > >
> > >I can highly recommend setting up the packages in your COPR such
> that
> > >they directly fetch the SPEC from src.fp.o:
> > >https://docs.pagure.org/copr.copr/user_documentation.html#scm
> > >
> > >That way you don't really need to do much other than adding those
> > >mappings.
> > 
> > Yeah, that was a pleasant surprise. Right now I'm getting my head
> around build types in meson since wlroots won't build with the recent
> changes in meson.
> > This is much more fun than expected.
> > 
> > >
> > >Kind regards,
> > >Till
> > >> 
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[Jan Staněk]

Hi again,

On 06. 04. 19 14:17, qrsBRWN wrote:
>  Yeah, I haven't had much time to get anything done except
> figuring out
>  that the new meson defaults for b_ndebug breaks the wlroots builds. 
This seems to have been reverted, and the b_ndebug option should not be
set by the %meson macro anymore:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail].o...

>  I also need to figure out how to move the project. I'll have a
> look
>  later today, hopefully. 
I tried playing with that for a bit and I do not see a way to move any
of my projects to any other user/group. Perhaps a sig admin needs to
create the COPR project directly? Also, any user that wants access to
other user's project has apparently request that access first – there is
no way for the owner to add arbitrary other user.

Till, do you have a way to log in to COPR as the sway-sig group?
If so, perhaps that is the way to either create a group COPR project
or to request group access to existing one.

Best regards,
-- 
Jan Staněk
Associate Software Engineer, Core Services
Red Hat Czech
jstanek(a)redhat.com     IM: jstanek

[qrsBRWN]

Hi

On April 9, 2019 5:08:59 PM GMT+02:00, "Jan Staněk" <jstanek(a)redhat.com&gt;
wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> On 06. 04. 19 14:17, qrsBRWN wrote:
> > Yeah, I haven't had much time to get anything done except figuring
> out
> > that the new meson defaults for b_ndebug breaks the wlroots builds.
>
> This seems to have been reverted, and the b_ndebug option should not be
> set by the %meson macro anymore:
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail].o...
>  
Yeah I saw that. I still have trouble getting wlroots to build on f30. That is probably
because I'm doing things wrong. I'm not used to meson and not used to copr.

I will try to invest some time tonight and see if I can get wlroots sorted so I can get to
sway.

If anyone sees something I'm obviously doing wrong please feel free to tell me.
I'm always eager to learn.

>> I also need to figure out how to move the project. I'll have a look
>> later today, hopefully.
>
>I tried playing with that for a bit and I do not see a way to move any
>of my projects to any other user/group. Perhaps a sig admin needs to
>create the COPR project directly? Also, any user that wants access to
>other user's project has apparently request that access first – there
>is
>no way for the owner to add arbitrary other user.
>
>Till, do you have a way to log in to COPR as the sway-sig group?
>If so, perhaps that is the way to either create a group COPR project
>or to request group access to existing one.
>
>Best regards,

[Jan Staněk]

On 09. 04. 19 17:13, qrsBRWN wrote:
>  Yeah I saw that. I still have trouble getting wlroots to build on
> f30. That is probably because I'm doing things wrong. I'm not used to meson and
> not used to copr.
>  
>  I will try to invest some time tonight and see if I can get wlroots sorted so I can get
> to sway.
>  
>  If anyone sees something I'm obviously doing wrong please feel free to tell me.
> I'm always eager to learn. 
Which specfile/COPR are you using? I'm willing to take a look, but I
could not find a link in this thread.

I took a look at the wlroots spec at src.fp.o (master branch), and there
are several places in which it can (and quite possibly should) be
simplified – i.e. using pkg-config requires, removing explicit requires
for the -devel subpackage, etc.

Good luck!
-- 
Jan Staněk
Associate Software Engineer, Core Services
Red Hat Czech
jstanek(a)redhat.com     IM: jstanek

[Till Hofmann]

On 4/9/19 5:13 PM, qrsBRWN wrote:
>  
>  Yeah I saw that. I still have trouble getting wlroots to build on f30. That is probably
> because I'm doing things wrong. I'm not used to meson and not used to copr.
What exactly is your problem? I've had a quick look, one issue is that
there are unused variables and the build uses -Werror=unused-variables.
There are other similar errors, the attached patch should fix the build.

>  
>  I will try to invest some time tonight and see if I can get wlroots sorted so I can get
> to sway.
>  
>  If anyone sees something I'm obviously doing wrong please feel free to tell me.
> I'm always eager to learn. 
It's hard to see what you're doing wrong if we can't see what you're
doing ;)

Kind regards
Till

[qrsBRWN]

On April 11, 2019 8:22:13 AM GMT+02:00, Till Hofmann <thofmann(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:
> On 4/9/19 5:13 PM, qrsBRWN wrote:
> > 
> > Yeah I saw that. I still have trouble getting wlroots to build on
> f30. That is probably because I'm doing things wrong. I'm not used to
> meson and not used to copr.
>
> What exactly is your problem? I've had a quick look, one issue is that
> there are unused variables and the build uses -Werror=unused-variables.
> There are other similar errors, the attached patch should fix the
> build. 
Great, thanks :)

> > 
> > I will try to invest some time tonight and see if I can get wlroots
> sorted so I can get to sway.
> > 
> > If anyone sees something I'm obviously doing wrong please feel free
> to tell me. I'm always eager to learn.
>
> It's hard to see what you're doing wrong if we can't see what you're
> doing ;) 
Yeah, I know :)
I was meaning to fix that part and actually voice what I'm struggling with but life
and work keeps getting in the way.
I was pretty sure I was missing something really basic in HOW I used copr since it has
being built for Rawhide and I was using the same sources and specfile. Now I'm, of
course, much less certain of that ;)

>
>Kind regards
>Till

[Timothée Floure]

Hello,

>  I tried playing with that for a bit and I do not see a way to move
> any
>  of my projects to any other user/group. Perhaps a sig admin needs to
>  create the COPR project directly? Also, any user that wants access to
>  other user's project has apparently request that access first – there is
>  no way for the owner to add arbitrary other user. 
I just initialized the sway-sig group in copr [0], directly linked to our FAS
group! If there's no way to move a project, can we perhaps create a new one
under this group since there are no users on the current one (yet).

[0] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/groups/g/sway-sig/coprs/

Cheers,

-- 
Timothée

[Timothée Floure]

Hello,

>  [0] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/groups/g/sway-sig/coprs/
Can the people working on the copr repository create a project under this
group? I'll go ahead and do it if nothing happen by the end of the week-end, as
I've never seen the existing (?) project.

Regards,

-- 
Timothée

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 01:14:08PM +0200, Timothée Floure wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> > I tried playing with that for a bit and I do not see a way to move any
> > of my projects to any other user/group. Perhaps a sig admin needs to
> > create the COPR project directly? Also, any user that wants access to
> > other user's project has apparently request that access first – there is
> > no way for the owner to add arbitrary other user.
> 
> I just initialized the sway-sig group in copr [0], directly linked to our FAS
> group! If there's no way to move a project, can we perhaps create a new one
> under this group since there are no users on the current one (yet).
> 
>  [0] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/groups/g/sway-sig/coprs/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- 
> Timothée



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[Jeff Peeler]

Chiming in kind of late here...

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM qrsBRWN <qrsbrwn(a)uidzero.se&gt; wrote:

>  Hi
>
>  On April 1, 2019 1:19:58 PM GMT+02:00, "Jan Staněk" <jstanek(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  wrote:
>  >Hi Markus!
>  >
>  >On 31. 03. 19 14:11, qrsBRWN wrote:
>  >> This we need to get quickly to option 1 afterwards it may have served
>  >it's purpose though
>  >
>  >From my experience, creating module is rather time consuming, and I
>  >have
>  >not yet wrapped my head around it properly. Although it is the correct
>  >way forward to have it shipped in Fedora, for quick'n'dirty packages
>  >for
>  >testing purposes COPR may be better.
>  
I believe using a COPR is best because this is a one time transition
period. Once f31 is released, sway will be updated just like everything
else. If the sway packages had made f30 I would have said to not even
bother with a COPR, but I forget that not everyone upgrades immediately.


>  Yeah modules is uncharted territory for me too. I'm thinking
> along to
>  lines that to get to a module we at least need a COPR for testing.
>  I will have to be pretty much a permanent fixture so there's no question
>  about where to get the correct version of the handful of packages that
>  needs to be tested together.
>  
I found skimming over the modules docs interesting as somebody also new to
them:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/modularity/making-modules/adding-new...


>  >
>  >If you are willing to create/maintain one, we could probably declare it
>  >the "official Sway SIG COPR", with a disclaimer "for testing purposes
>  >only" and a link to the module/installation instructions once they are
>  >ready.
>

[Till Hofmann]

On 3/31/19 1:59 PM, Timothée Floure wrote:
>  Hello,
>  
> > Do we (as in anyone here) have a clear view of what remains before testing on
> > f29 and f30 can begin in a broader sense?
>  
>  I don't think we should update sway in F29 since 1.0 is a major release with
>  potential breaking changes. I believe we should either: 
Yes, I agree, we shouldn't update sway to 1.0 in any existing releases.

>  
>    * Use modularity to provide a Sway 1.0 module for F29(+F30?)
>    * Maintain (as a SIG) some kind of "official" copr repository for F29(+F30?)
>  
>  Does anyone has an opinion on the subject? It would also be nice to post an
>  article on the magazine once Sway 1.0 is officialy available in Fedora :-)
>   
Imho creating a module is the best way forward. I was planning to create
a module for sway 1.0 once all necessary packages have the SIG as
co-maintainer (which is necessary to create the respective branches).

Posting an article on Fedora Magazine sounds like a good idea!

Kind regards
Till