Spins testing and vanishing?

Recently I was in a chain of e'mails on the Test List and someone 
mentioned that the spins probably needed more attention than they have 
been getting for test. I volunteered that I might help out with that. I 
decided to check out the spins to see if there was one I particularly 
felt like I would like to help out with testing on. Over that last few 
weeks I have tried out KDE Plasma, Cinnamon, Sugar on a Stick, and Mate. 
After installing each one, I spent about a day familiarizing myself with 
it. Certainly not an in depth appreciation for their capabilities, but I 
became familiar with their basic approach and tools.

Today I see news that KDE is likely to fall off the Fedora table. I 
think I will wait a bit before I decide on a spin that I want to help 
out with. Since my primary focus is Fedora I don't want to get started 
on something that will be going away.

As a side note I didn't see anything that would pull me away from using 
gnome on the PCs here. Well that's partly because I have everyone used 
to Gnome and I don't want to suffer through a change.

I must say however, having two grandchildren about two years old, that I 
found Sugar on a Stick to be very attractive and something I would like 
to be involved with.

I have a question, if I may: I have seen SoaS listed as Live and as 
Live/Install. I down loaded it from the Fedora site. and I bought a copy 
from OSDisk. They were both Live only. Does anyone know if there is an 
install version?

	Have a Great Day!

	Pat (tablepc)

[Rex Dieter]

>  Today I see news that KDE is likely to fall off the Fedora table.
At best, that is a false unsubstantiated rumor.

Where did you see that?  I'd like to have an opportunity to correct it.

-- Rex

[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2018-12-05 at 11:23 -0500, pmkellly(a)frontier.com wrote:
>  
>  Today I see news that KDE is likely to fall off the Fedora table. 
I'm not aware of any such news, or any such plan. To my best knowledge
there's absolutely no intention for Fedora to drop KDE.
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
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[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 11:23:25AM -0500, pmkellly(a)frontier.com wrote:
>  Today I see news that KDE is likely to fall off the Fedora table. I
Red Hat isn't supporting KDE in some future RHEL versions. But they
*already* don't support Xfce or SOAS or the other desktops you mention. This
has no effect on Fedora.

>  I have a question, if I may: I have seen SoaS listed as Live and as
>  Live/Install. I down loaded it from the Fedora site. and I bought a
>  copy from OSDisk. They were both Live only. Does anyone know if
>  there is an install version? 
The Fedora live versions in general also come with an Install option
(usually as an application). It's been awhile since I looked at SOAS but I
imagine that's the case there too.


-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Thomas Gilliard]

try "liveinst" from sugar terminal in list view of f3 home to install.

On 12/5/18 4:12 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 11:23:25AM -0500, pmkellly(a)frontier.com wrote:
>> Today I see news that KDE is likely to fall off the Fedora table. I
> Red Hat isn't supporting KDE in some future RHEL versions. But they
> *already* don't support Xfce or SOAS or the other desktops you mention. This
> has no effect on Fedora.
>
>> I have a question, if I may: I have seen SoaS listed as Live and as
>> Live/Install. I down loaded it from the Fedora site. and I bought a
>> copy from OSDisk. They were both Live only. Does anyone know if
>> there is an install version?
> The Fedora live versions in general also come with an Install option
> (usually as an application). It's been awhile since I looked at SOAS but I
> imagine that's the case there too.
>
>

[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2018-12-05 at 19:12 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 11:23:25AM -0500, pmkellly(a)frontier.com
> wrote:
>  > Today I see news that KDE is likely to fall off the Fedora table. I
>  
>  Red Hat isn't supporting KDE in some future RHEL versions. But they
>  *already* don't support Xfce or SOAS or the other desktops you mention. This
>  has no effect on Fedora.
>  
>  > I have a question, if I may: I have seen SoaS listed as Live and as
>  > Live/Install. I down loaded it from the Fedora site. and I bought a
>  > copy from OSDisk. They were both Live only. Does anyone know if
>  > there is an install version?
>  
>  The Fedora live versions in general also come with an Install option
>  (usually as an application). It's been awhile since I looked at SOAS but I
>  imagine that's the case there too. 
SoaS doesn't show an installer icon or anything as it's not really
intended to be installed, but you *can* run the installer from a
console if you insist (per Thomas' mail).

You can also install the Sugar desktop package group from a network
install, I think.
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net
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[Silvia Sánchez]

Hello folks,

About SOAS:  SOAS stands for  "Sugar on a stick"  so it's not meant to be
used as a installed system but live from the USB stick or memory.  However,
SOAS was used as installed system in the earlier versions of XO/OLPC
laptops.  Later versions used Fedora with two desktops installed, Gnome &
Sugar.  The continuation of this project in Uruguay, switched to Ubuntu and
as far as I can tell, it still uses that system.  So, the option to install
SOAS exists and it's possible but with some tweaking, it's not the default
behaviour nor the purpose of this Spin.
Also, as Adam said, you can install Sugar like any other desktop, in your
system.
Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Silvia
FAS:  Lailah



On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 00:49, Adam Williamson <adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:

>  On Wed, 2018-12-05 at 19:12 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>  > On Wed, Dec 05, 2018 at 11:23:25AM -0500, pmkellly(a)frontier.com wrote:
>  > > Today I see news that KDE is likely to fall off the Fedora table. I
>  >
>  > Red Hat isn't supporting KDE in some future RHEL versions. But they
>  > *already* don't support Xfce or SOAS or the other desktops you mention.
>  This
>  > has no effect on Fedora.
>  >
>  > > I have a question, if I may: I have seen SoaS listed as Live and as
>  > > Live/Install. I down loaded it from the Fedora site. and I bought a
>  > > copy from OSDisk. They were both Live only. Does anyone know if
>  > > there is an install version?
>  >
>  > The Fedora live versions in general also come with an Install option
>  > (usually as an application). It's been awhile since I looked at SOAS but
>  I
>  > imagine that's the case there too.
>
>  SoaS doesn't show an installer icon or anything as it's not really
>  intended to be installed, but you *can* run the installer from a
>  console if you insist (per Thomas' mail).
>
>  You can also install the Sugar desktop package group from a network
>  install, I think.
>  --
>  Adam Williamson
>  Fedora QA Community Monkey
>  IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net
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[Thomas Gilliard]

Soas is written for kids.
Designed to be used as a live usb.
Thus the installer was hidden so an install would not happen on the host PC.
To install....go to the list view of the home screen (f3) scroll down and start terminal. 
Enter “liveinst”  (liveinstaller). This starts a normal anaconda install.

> On Dec 5, 2018, at 8:23 AM, "pmkellly(a)frontier.com"
<pmkellly(a)frontier.com&gt; wrote:
> 
> Recently I was in a chain of e'mails on the Test List and someone mentioned that
the spins probably needed more attention than they have been getting for test. I
volunteered that I might help out with that. I decided to check out the spins to see if
there was one I particularly felt like I would like to help out with testing on. Over that
last few weeks I have tried out KDE Plasma, Cinnamon, Sugar on a Stick, and Mate. After
installing each one, I spent about a day familiarizing myself with it. Certainly not an in
depth appreciation for their capabilities, but I became familiar with their basic approach
and tools.
> 
> Today I see news that KDE is likely to fall off the Fedora table. I think I will wait
a bit before I decide on a spin that I want to help out with. Since my primary focus is
Fedora I don't want to get started on something that will be going away.
> 
> As a side note I didn't see anything that would pull me away from using gnome on
the PCs here. Well that's partly because I have everyone used to Gnome and I don't
want to suffer through a change.
> 
> I must say however, having two grandchildren about two years old, that I found Sugar
on a Stick to be very attractive and something I would like to be involved with.
> 
> I have a question, if I may: I have seen SoaS listed as Live and as Live/Install. I
down loaded it from the Fedora site. and I bought a copy from OSDisk. They were both Live
only. Does anyone know if there is an install version?
> 
>    Have a Great Day!
> 
>    Pat (tablepc)
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