9:02 a.m.
I would never have noticed this, save for that I saw a Youtube video of
it...
On my ThinkPad T400, Plymouth doesn't launch the nice pretty GUI loader.
Instead, I only get the text mode dark blue / light blue / white
progress bar across the bottom. Then X loads and away we go from gdm.
I realized that I have never seen Plymouth's "graphical glory" on any of
the computers I've tried F10 on (I've always run the 64-bit version).
These computers all have something in common: Either nVidia or ATI
graphics cards.
Is Plymouth supposed to support these? If so, I guess I can file a
bugzilla on it.
Cheers,
Chris
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9:19 a.m.
2008/10/28 Christopher A. Williams <chriswfedora(a)cawllc.com>
I would never have noticed this, save for that I saw a Youtube video
of
it...
On my ThinkPad T400, Plymouth doesn't launch the nice pretty GUI loader.
Instead, I only get the text mode dark blue / light blue / white
progress bar across the bottom. Then X loads and away we go from gdm.
I realized that I have never seen Plymouth's "graphical glory" on any of
the computers I've tried F10 on (I've always run the 64-bit version).
These computers all have something in common: Either nVidia or ATI
graphics cards.
Is Plymouth supposed to support these? If so, I guess I can file a
bugzilla on it.
http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/interview-fedora-10s-bette...
worked for me on geforce 7300 gt.
however, between plymouth and gdm the video ram is still garbage.
Cheers,
Chris
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On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:19 PM, cornel panceac <cpanceac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2008/10/28 Christopher A. Williams <chriswfedora(a)cawllc.com>
> I would never have noticed this, save for that I saw a Youtube video of
> it...
>
> On my ThinkPad T400, Plymouth doesn't launch the nice pretty GUI loader.
> Instead, I only get the text mode dark blue / light blue / white
> progress bar across the bottom. Then X loads and away we go from gdm.
>
> I realized that I have never seen Plymouth's "graphical glory" on any
of
> the computers I've tried F10 on (I've always run the 64-bit version).
> These computers all have something in common: Either nVidia or ATI
> graphics cards.
>
> Is Plymouth supposed to support these? If so, I guess I can file a
> bugzilla on it.
http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/interview-fedora-10s-bette...
worked for me on geforce 7300 gt.
however, between plymouth and gdm the video ram is still garbage.
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
>
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On my geforce 6200fx it doesn't work, on my 8500gt doesn't work
either...only with "vga=0x318" appended at the kernel command line...maybe
it should be enabled by default in F10?
9:28 a.m.
2008/10/28 Aioanei Rares <schaiba(a)gmail.com>
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:19 PM, cornel panceac <cpanceac(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
> 2008/10/28 Christopher A. Williams <chriswfedora(a)cawllc.com>
>
>> I would never have noticed this, save for that I saw a Youtube video of
>> it...
>>
>> On my ThinkPad T400, Plymouth doesn't launch the nice pretty GUI loader.
>> Instead, I only get the text mode dark blue / light blue / white
>> progress bar across the bottom. Then X loads and away we go from gdm.
>>
>> I realized that I have never seen Plymouth's "graphical glory" on
any of
>> the computers I've tried F10 on (I've always run the 64-bit version).
>> These computers all have something in common: Either nVidia or ATI
>> graphics cards.
>>
>> Is Plymouth supposed to support these? If so, I guess I can file a
>> bugzilla on it.
>
>
>
> http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/interview-fedora-10s-bette...
>
> worked for me on geforce 7300 gt.
>
> however, between plymouth and gdm the video ram is still garbage.
>
>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris
>>
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>> lies a single hidden agenda."
>>
>> --G. K. Chesterton
>>
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imho there should be an "if" somewhere ....
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On my geforce 6200fx it doesn't work, on my 8500gt doesn't work
either...only with "vga=0x318" appended at the kernel command line...maybe
it should be enabled by default in F10?
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On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:28 +0200, cornel panceac wrote:
2008/10/28 Aioanei Rares <schaiba(a)gmail.com>
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:19 PM, cornel panceac
<cpanceac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2008/10/28 Christopher A. Williams
<chriswfedora(a)cawllc.com>
I would never have noticed this, save for that
I saw a Youtube video of
it...
On my ThinkPad T400, Plymouth doesn't launch
the nice pretty GUI loader.
Instead, I only get the text mode dark blue /
light blue / white
progress bar across the bottom. Then X loads
and away we go from gdm.
I realized that I have never seen Plymouth's
"graphical glory" on any of
the computers I've tried F10 on (I've always
run the 64-bit version).
These computers all have something in common:
Either nVidia or ATI
graphics cards.
Is Plymouth supposed to support these? If so,
I guess I can file a
bugzilla on it.
http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/interview-fedora-10s-bette...
worked for me on geforce 7300 gt.
however, between plymouth and gdm the video ram is
still garbage.
Cheers,
Chris
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in F10?
imho there should be an "if" somewhere ....
OK - makes sense. My nVidia card is an onboard GeForce 7100 on my
desktop. I'm not sure which series ATI card is on this ThinkPad T400
yet, but it also as this auto-switchable graphics mode that goes between
"Internal" Intel graphics and "Discrete" ATI Graphics. The model is a
2765-T6U. I had to disable that feature in CMOS for any video to work at
all.
Cheers,
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1:16 p.m.
to trace the problem I think we need to know
are you using spanshot 3
do you have every thing update to the latest rawhide
do you have nvidia 177 driver from rpmfusion
BTW: I've only tested F10 on qemu-kvm and plymouth worked in text mode only
8:49 a.m.
Here are the answers to your questions (inserted below)...
Cheers,
Chris
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Subject: Re: Plymouth on ATI and nVidia
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:16:11 +0300
to trace the problem I think we need to know
are you using spanshot 3
--Yes! The problem with consistency on both the Live CD and the DVD install.
do you have every thing update to the latest rawhide
--Yes! This has NOT made a difference at all.
do you have nvidia 177 driver from rpmfusion
--No! I don't install the proprietary nVidia drivers from RPM Fusion
(Livna) on pre-release versions of F10. Also, I have reproduced the
problem using both nVidia and ATI chipsets. That would lead me to
believe this isn't just an nVidia problem.
BTW: I've only tested F10 on qemu-kvm and plymouth worked in text mode only
9:52 a.m.
First of all
Nvidia does not work and so far and there is nothing that indicates it
will work in the near future.
Intel Graphics cards did not make it into F10 in time but will be pushed
A) as an update B) It will be in F11
ATI cards are supported but there has been issue with some cards but
these issue are being fixed as each day passes.
With your T400 make sure that you have changed these bios settings..
You have Change to Internal or ATI Graphics with...
Config --> Display --> Graphics Device --> [Integrated graphics]( INTEL
) or [Discrete Graphics](ATI)
And
Disable OS Detection for Switchable Graphics.
Otherwise it will mysteriously switch back to Switchable Graphics.
Then check if plymouth works with the default (radeon) driver being in
use by X
JBG
10:01 a.m.
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 14:52:02 +0000,
"\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" <johannbg(a)hi.is> wrote:
ATI cards are supported but there has been issue with some cards but
these issue are being fixed as each day passes.
I haven't seen a glitch on my r530 based card in the last couple of days. KMS
has had a huge improvement in the last two weeks.
11:23 a.m.
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 14:52 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
First of all
Nvidia does not work and so far and there is nothing that indicates it
will work in the near future.
Truly a bummer! Given the large number of nVidia card users there are, I
would think this should be more of a priority. Please don't let this
turn into a philosophical discussion (aka a flame fest) on nVidia vs.
others. A lot of people use nVidia cards - we need to deal with that and
respond to the end user population accordingly...
Intel Graphics cards did not make it into F10 in time but will be
pushed
A) as an update B) It will be in F11
ATI cards are supported but there has been issue with some cards but
these issue are being fixed as each day passes.
With your T400 make sure that you have changed these bios settings..
You have Change to Internal or ATI Graphics with...
Config --> Display --> Graphics Device --> [Integrated graphics]( INTEL
) or [Discrete Graphics](ATI)
And
Disable OS Detection for Switchable Graphics.
Otherwise it will mysteriously switch back to Switchable Graphics.
Then check if plymouth works with the default (radeon) driver being in
use by X
I already had to do this just to get F10 Snap 3 even to install and have
video of any kind show up. Still not working. I guess I'll keep
following the updates and we'll see when we catch up.
Cheers,
Chris
11:28 a.m.
Christopher A. Williams wrote:
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 14:52 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> First of all
> Nvidia does not work and so far and there is nothing that indicates it
> will work in the near future.
Truly a bummer! Given the large number of nVidia card users there are, I
would think this should be more of a priority. Please don't let this
turn into a philosophical discussion (aka a flame fest) on nVidia vs.
others. A lot of people use nVidia cards - we need to deal with that and
respond to the end user population accordingly...
Not philosophical. Just a matter of not having the source code to fix
the proprietary drivers. However the reverse engineering effort can
yield some results albeit in a delayed manner. Refer
http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/interview-fedora-10s-bette...
Rahul
11:34 a.m.
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Rahul Sundaram
<sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org>wrote:
Christopher A. Williams wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 14:52 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
>> First of all
>> Nvidia does not work and so far and there is nothing that indicates it
>> will work in the near future.
>>
>
> Truly a bummer! Given the large number of nVidia card users there are, I
> would think this should be more of a priority. Please don't let this
> turn into a philosophical discussion (aka a flame fest) on nVidia vs.
> others. A lot of people use nVidia cards - we need to deal with that and
> respond to the end user population accordingly...
>
Not philosophical. Just a matter of not having the source code to fix the
proprietary drivers. However the reverse engineering effort can yield some
results albeit in a delayed manner. Refer
http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/interview-fedora-10s-bette...
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If I append "vga=0x318" to my kernel options in menu.lst for example, i can
see the nice plymouth effects (GeForce 8500 GTS) So would it hurt if we
would add this option as the default in grub as a (temporary) workaround?
Are there cards that don't scale well with "vga=0x318" ?
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11:42 a.m.
Aioanei Rares wrote:
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Rahul Sundaram
http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/interview-fedora-10s-bette...
If I append "vga=0x318" to my kernel options in menu.lst for example, i
can see the nice plymouth effects (GeForce 8500 GTS) So would it hurt if
we would add this option as the default in grub as a (temporary)
workaround? Are there cards that don't scale well with "vga=0x318" ?
Yes. The above interview does mention why it is not supported. If we are
going with that solution, we might as well as have used splashy.
Rahul
12:45 p.m.
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 18:34 +0200, Aioanei Rares wrote:
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Rahul Sundaram
<sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Christopher A. Williams wrote:
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 14:52 +0000, "Jóhann B.
Guðmundsson" wrote:
First of all
Nvidia does not work and so far and there is
nothing that indicates it will work in the
near future.
Truly a bummer! Given the large number of nVidia card
users there are, I
would think this should be more of a priority. Please
don't let this
turn into a philosophical discussion (aka a flame
fest) on nVidia vs.
others. A lot of people use nVidia cards - we need to
deal with that and
respond to the end user population accordingly...
Not philosophical. Just a matter of not having the source code
to fix the proprietary drivers. However the reverse
engineering effort can yield some results albeit in a delayed
manner. Refer
http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/interview-fedora-10s-bette...
<snip...>
If I append "vga=0x318" to my kernel options in menu.lst for example,
i can see the nice plymouth effects (GeForce 8500 GTS) So would it
hurt if we would add this option as the default in grub as a
(temporary) workaround? Are there cards that don't scale well with
"vga=0x318" ?
Interesting... I just tried appending "vga=0x318" to my kernel options.
It didn't work outright, but...
...It DID error out and give me a list of scanned VGA options. I
selected one of them at random (vga=0x323) and "Graphical Plymouth" came
to life in all its glory.
Given the other feedback, this seems to also work for nVidia cards.
So, why COULDN't we have Plymouth (or a set of appropriate kernel
options) do something like:
1) scan for an appropriate and usable VESA mode for these cards
2) Upon discovering there's a really nice one we can use, go with that
one
3) Then fail back to text mode only after nothing available in a
reasonable VESA mode works.
Solves the problem from what I can tell...
Cheers,
Chris
6:56 a.m.
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Christopher A. Williams <
chriswfedora(a)cawllc.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 18:34 +0200, Aioanei Rares wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Rahul Sundaram
> <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Christopher A. Williams wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 14:52 +0000, "Jóhann B.
> Guðmundsson" wrote:
> First of all
> Nvidia does not work and so far and there is
> nothing that indicates it will work in the
> near future.
>
> Truly a bummer! Given the large number of nVidia card
> users there are, I
> would think this should be more of a priority. Please
> don't let this
> turn into a philosophical discussion (aka a flame
> fest) on nVidia vs.
> others. A lot of people use nVidia cards - we need to
> deal with that and
> respond to the end user population accordingly...
>
>
> Not philosophical. Just a matter of not having the source code
> to fix the proprietary drivers. However the reverse
> engineering effort can yield some results albeit in a delayed
> manner. Refer
>
>
>
http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/interview-fedora-10s-bette...
<snip...>
>
> If I append "vga=0x318" to my kernel options in menu.lst for example,
> i can see the nice plymouth effects (GeForce 8500 GTS) So would it
> hurt if we would add this option as the default in grub as a
> (temporary) workaround? Are there cards that don't scale well with
> "vga=0x318" ?
Interesting... I just tried appending "vga=0x318" to my kernel options.
It didn't work outright, but...
...It DID error out and give me a list of scanned VGA options. I
selected one of them at random (vga=0x323) and "Graphical Plymouth" came
to life in all its glory.
Given the other feedback, this seems to also work for nVidia cards.
So, why COULDN't we have Plymouth (or a set of appropriate kernel
options) do something like:
1) scan for an appropriate and usable VESA mode for these cards
2) Upon discovering there's a really nice one we can use, go with that
one
3) Then fail back to text mode only after nothing available in a
reasonable VESA mode works.
Solves the problem from what I can tell...
Cheers,
Chris
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Sounds nice to me, but I reckon we won't see that in F10.
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