the current state of trying to "yum update"

[Robert P. J. Day]

   not sure if anyone will find the following informative, but i'll  
just post the current state of affairs.

# yum update
Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, refresh-packagekit
Setting up Update Process
Resolving Dependencies
There are unfinished transactions remaining. You might consider  
running yum-complete-transaction first to finish them.
... much deleted ...
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
ant-apache-log4j-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
   --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package  
ant-apache-log4j-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
ant-apache-bcel-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
   --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package  
ant-apache-bcel-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
ant-swing-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
   --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package  
ant-swing-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
jdepend-demo-2.6-7.4.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
   --> Missing Dependency: jdepend = 2.6-7.4.fc10 is needed by package  
jdepend-demo-2.6-7.4.fc10.i386 (installed)
ant-jsch-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
   --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package  
ant-jsch-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
ant-commons-net-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
   --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package  
ant-commons-net-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
ant-apache-bsf-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
   --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package  
ant-apache-bsf-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
ant-jdepend-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
   --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package  
ant-jdepend-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
1:eclipse-pde-3.4.1-14.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
   --> Missing Dependency: eclipse-jdt = 1:3.4.1-14.fc11 is needed by  
package 1:eclipse-pde-3.4.1-14.fc11.i386 (installed)
ant-nodeps-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
   --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package  
ant-nodeps-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
1:eclipse-pde-3.4.1-14.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
   --> Missing Dependency: eclipse-platform = 1:3.4.1-14.fc11 is  
needed by package 1:eclipse-pde-3.4.1-14.fc11.i386 (installed)
junit-demo-3.8.2-4.4.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
... lots more like this...

   ok, let's try and complete that outstanding transaction:

# yum-complete-transaction
Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, refresh-packagekit
There are 1 outstanding transactions to complete. Finishing the most  
recent one
The remaining transaction had 1415 elements left to run
... lots deleted ...
Transaction Summary
============================================================================
Install      0 Package(s)
Update       0 Package(s)
Remove    1539 Package(s)

Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
Running rpm_check_debug
ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve:
gnome-games is needed by (installed) gnome-games-help-1:2.25.92-1.fc11.noarch
openoffice.org-core is needed by (installed)  
openoffice.org-langpack-en-1:3.1.0-3.2.fc11.i586
plymouth(system-plugin) is needed by (installed)  
plymouth-system-plugin-0.6.0-3.fc11.i586
jdepend is needed by (installed) jdepend-demo-0:2.6-8.4.fc11.i586
svnkit is needed by (installed) eclipse-svnkit-1.2.2-1.fc11.noarch
evolution is needed by (installed) evolution-help-2.25.92-1.fc11.noarch
Not removing old transaction files
#

   what if i try to resolve one of those manually?

# yum remove gnome-games
Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, refresh-packagekit
Setting up Remove Process
Resolving Dependencies
There are unfinished transactions remaining. You might consider  
running yum-complete-transaction first to finish them.
--> Running transaction check
---> Package gnome-games.i386 1:2.25.5-1.fc11 set to be erased
--> Processing Dependency: gnome-games = 1:2.25.5-1.fc11 for package:  
gnome-games-help
--> Running transaction check
---> Package gnome-games-help.i386 1:2.25.5-1.fc11 set to be erased
--> Finished Dependency Resolution

Dependencies Resolved

===================================================================================
  Package                 Arch        Version                 
Repository        Size
===================================================================================
Removing:
  gnome-games             i386        1:2.25.5-1.fc11        installed  
         19 M
Removing for dependencies:
  gnome-games-help        i386        1:2.25.5-1.fc11        installed  
         20 M

Transaction Summary
===================================================================================
Install      0 Package(s)
Update       0 Package(s)
Remove       2 Package(s)

Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
Running rpm_check_debug
ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve:
gnome-games is needed by (installed) gnome-games-help-1:2.25.92-1.fc11.noarch
Complete!
(1, [u'Please report this error in http://yum.baseurl.org/report'])

   all right, let's take this one step at a time:

# yum remove gnome-games-help
Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, refresh-packagekit
Setting up Remove Process
Resolving Dependencies
There are unfinished transactions remaining. You might consider  
running yum-complete-transaction first to finish them.
--> Running transaction check
---> Package gnome-games-help.noarch 1:2.25.92-1.fc11 set to be erased
---> Package gnome-games-help.i386 1:2.25.5-1.fc11 set to be erased
--> Finished Dependency Resolution

Dependencies Resolved

===================================================================================
  Package                Arch         Version                  
Repository       Size
===================================================================================
Removing:
  gnome-games-help       noarch       1:2.25.92-1.fc11         
installed        19 M
  gnome-games-help       i386         1:2.25.5-1.fc11          
installed        20 M

Transaction Summary
===================================================================================
Install      0 Package(s)
Update       0 Package(s)
Remove       2 Package(s)

Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
Running rpm_check_debug
Running Transaction Test
Finished Transaction Test
Transaction Test Succeeded
Running Transaction
   Erasing        : gnome-games-help                                    
          1/2
   Erasing        : gnome-games-help                                    
          2/2

Removed:
   gnome-games-help.noarch 1:2.25.92-1.fc11  gnome-games-help.i386  
1:2.25.5-1.fc11

Complete!
#

at which point i can simply "yum remove gnome-games".
i can see this is going to take a while if i want to salvage this
machine, unless there's a magic shortcut i don't know about.

rday

[Riku Seppälä]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>    not sure if anyone will find the following informative, but
> i'll 
>  just post the current state of affairs.
>
>  # yum update
>  Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, refresh-packagekit
>  Setting up Update Process
>  Resolving Dependencies
>  There are unfinished transactions remaining. You might consider 
>  running yum-complete-transaction first to finish them.
>  ... much deleted ...
>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>  ant-apache-log4j-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving 
>  problems
>    --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package 
>  ant-apache-log4j-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
>  ant-apache-bcel-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving 
>  problems
>    --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package 
>  ant-apache-bcel-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
>  ant-swing-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
>    --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package 
>  ant-swing-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
>  jdepend-demo-2.6-7.4.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
>    --> Missing Dependency: jdepend = 2.6-7.4.fc10 is needed by package 
>  jdepend-demo-2.6-7.4.fc10.i386 (installed)
>  ant-jsch-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
>    --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package 
>  ant-jsch-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
>  ant-commons-net-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving 
>  problems
>    --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package 
>  ant-commons-net-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
>  ant-apache-bsf-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
>    --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package 
>  ant-apache-bsf-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
>  ant-jdepend-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
>    --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package 
>  ant-jdepend-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
>  1:eclipse-pde-3.4.1-14.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
>    --> Missing Dependency: eclipse-jdt = 1:3.4.1-14.fc11 is needed by 
>  package 1:eclipse-pde-3.4.1-14.fc11.i386 (installed)
>  ant-nodeps-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
>    --> Missing Dependency: ant = 1.7.1-8.2.fc11 is needed by package 
>  ant-nodeps-1.7.1-8.2.fc11.i386 (installed)
>  1:eclipse-pde-3.4.1-14.fc11.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
>    --> Missing Dependency: eclipse-platform = 1:3.4.1-14.fc11 is needed 
>  by package 1:eclipse-pde-3.4.1-14.fc11.i386 (installed)
>  junit-demo-3.8.2-4.4.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems
>  ... lots more like this...
>
>    ok, let's try and complete that outstanding transaction:
>
>  # yum-complete-transaction
>  Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, refresh-packagekit
>  There are 1 outstanding transactions to complete. Finishing the most 
>  recent one
>  The remaining transaction had 1415 elements left to run
>  ... lots deleted ...
>  Transaction Summary
>  ============================================================================ 
>
>  Install      0 Package(s)
>  Update       0 Package(s)
>  Remove    1539 Package(s)
>
>  Is this ok [y/N]: y
>  Downloading Packages:
>  Running rpm_check_debug
>  ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve:
>  gnome-games is needed by (installed) 
>  gnome-games-help-1:2.25.92-1.fc11.noarch
>  openoffice.org-core is needed by (installed) 
>  openoffice.org-langpack-en-1:3.1.0-3.2.fc11.i586
>  plymouth(system-plugin) is needed by (installed) 
>  plymouth-system-plugin-0.6.0-3.fc11.i586
>  jdepend is needed by (installed) jdepend-demo-0:2.6-8.4.fc11.i586
>  svnkit is needed by (installed) eclipse-svnkit-1.2.2-1.fc11.noarch
>  evolution is needed by (installed) evolution-help-2.25.92-1.fc11.noarch
>  Not removing old transaction files
>  #
>
>    what if i try to resolve one of those manually?
>
>  # yum remove gnome-games
>  Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, refresh-packagekit
>  Setting up Remove Process
>  Resolving Dependencies
>  There are unfinished transactions remaining. You might consider 
>  running yum-complete-transaction first to finish them.
>  --> Running transaction check
>  ---> Package gnome-games.i386 1:2.25.5-1.fc11 set to be erased
>  --> Processing Dependency: gnome-games = 1:2.25.5-1.fc11 for package: 
>  gnome-games-help
>  --> Running transaction check
>  ---> Package gnome-games-help.i386 1:2.25.5-1.fc11 set to be erased
>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>
>  Dependencies Resolved
>
>  =================================================================================== 
>
>   Package                 Arch        Version                
>  Repository        Size
>  =================================================================================== 
>
>  Removing:
>   gnome-games             i386        1:2.25.5-1.fc11        installed 
>          19 M
>  Removing for dependencies:
>   gnome-games-help        i386        1:2.25.5-1.fc11        installed 
>          20 M
>
>  Transaction Summary
>  =================================================================================== 
>
>  Install      0 Package(s)
>  Update       0 Package(s)
>  Remove       2 Package(s)
>
>  Is this ok [y/N]: y
>  Downloading Packages:
>  Running rpm_check_debug
>  ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve:
>  gnome-games is needed by (installed) 
>  gnome-games-help-1:2.25.92-1.fc11.noarch
>  Complete!
>  (1, [u'Please report this error in http://yum.baseurl.org/report'])
>
>    all right, let's take this one step at a time:
>
>  # yum remove gnome-games-help
>  Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, refresh-packagekit
>  Setting up Remove Process
>  Resolving Dependencies
>  There are unfinished transactions remaining. You might consider 
>  running yum-complete-transaction first to finish them.
>  --> Running transaction check
>  ---> Package gnome-games-help.noarch 1:2.25.92-1.fc11 set to be erased
>  ---> Package gnome-games-help.i386 1:2.25.5-1.fc11 set to be erased
>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>
>  Dependencies Resolved
>
>  =================================================================================== 
>
>   Package                Arch         Version                 
>  Repository       Size
>  =================================================================================== 
>
>  Removing:
>   gnome-games-help       noarch       1:2.25.92-1.fc11        
>  installed        19 M
>   gnome-games-help       i386         1:2.25.5-1.fc11         
>  installed        20 M
>
>  Transaction Summary
>  =================================================================================== 
>
>  Install      0 Package(s)
>  Update       0 Package(s)
>  Remove       2 Package(s)
>
>  Is this ok [y/N]: y
>  Downloading Packages:
>  Running rpm_check_debug
>  Running Transaction Test
>  Finished Transaction Test
>  Transaction Test Succeeded
>  Running Transaction
>    Erasing        : gnome-games-help                                   
>           1/2
>    Erasing        : gnome-games-help                                   
>           2/2
>
>  Removed:
>    gnome-games-help.noarch 1:2.25.92-1.fc11  gnome-games-help.i386 
>  1:2.25.5-1.fc11
>
>  Complete!
>  #
>
>  at which point i can simply "yum remove gnome-games".
>  i can see this is going to take a while if i want to salvage this
>  machine, unless there's a magic shortcut i don't know about.
>
>  rday
>
>
>
>
>  
I had that same problem, magic shortcut for me was fresh install. :) 
After that I updated only few packages at a time, like "yum update kde*" 
... "yum update open*" it took awhile but at least it worked.

Riku

[John Summerfield]

� wrote:
>  Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >   not sure if anyone will find the following informative, but i'll 
<I'm sure we've all seen enough of this>

> > There are unfinished transactions remaining. You might consider 
> > running yum-complete-transaction first to finish them.
> > --> Running transaction check
> > ---> Package gnome-games-help.noarch 1:2.25.92-1.fc11 set to be erased
> > ---> Package gnome-games-help.i386 1:2.25.5-1.fc11 set to be erased 
It's interesting one's noarch and the other is not.

> > --> Finished Dependency Resolution
> >
> > Dependencies Resolved
> >
> > =================================================================================== 
> >
> >  Package                Arch         Version                 
> > Repository       Size
> > =================================================================================== 
> >
> > Removing:
> >  gnome-games-help       noarch       1:2.25.92-1.fc11        
> > installed        19 M
> >  gnome-games-help       i386         1:2.25.5-1.fc11         
> > installed        20 M
> >
> > Transaction Summary
> > =================================================================================== 
> >
> > Install      0 Package(s)
> > Update       0 Package(s)
> > Remove       2 Package(s)
> >
> > Is this ok [y/N]: y
> > Downloading Packages:
> > Running rpm_check_debug
> > Running Transaction Test
> > Finished Transaction Test
> > Transaction Test Succeeded
> > Running Transaction
> >   Erasing        : gnome-games-help                                   
> >          1/2
> >   Erasing        : gnome-games-help                                   
> >          2/2
> >
> > Removed:
> >   gnome-games-help.noarch 1:2.25.92-1.fc11  gnome-games-help.i386 
> > 1:2.25.5-1.fc11
> >
> > Complete!
> > #
> >
> > at which point i can simply "yum remove gnome-games".
> > i can see this is going to take a while if i want to salvage this
> > machine, unless there's a magic shortcut i don't know about.
> >
> > rday
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>  I had that same problem, magic shortcut for me was fresh install. :) 
>  After that I updated only few packages at a time, like "yum update kde*" 
>  ... "yum update open*" it took awhile but at least it worked.
>  
there has to be an alternative, maybe stern, process.

Maybe some carefully chosen "rpm --erase --nodeps" for problem packages. 
Take notes lest you have to reinstall some later.

One way of taking notes is
chattr +a .bash_history
and then taking care to "exec -l bash" occasionally.




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[Robert P. J. Day]

On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, John Summerfield wrote:

>  ??? wrote:
>  > Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>  > >   not sure if anyone will find the following informative, but i'll
>  <I'm sure we've all seen enough of this>
>
>  > > There are unfinished transactions remaining. You might consider running
>  > > yum-complete-transaction first to finish them.
>  > > --> Running transaction check
>  > > ---> Package gnome-games-help.noarch 1:2.25.92-1.fc11 set to be erased
>  > > ---> Package gnome-games-help.i386 1:2.25.5-1.fc11 set to be erased
>
>  It's interesting one's noarch and the other is not. 
that funny "duplication" existed for a few other packages.  i removed
them manually, then tried the update again and that's when things
melted down entirely.  that's when i gave up and just did a
re-install.

i will *not* be doing an update, apart from the rpm/yum-related
packages.

rday
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[John Summerfield]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>  On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, John Summerfield wrote:
>  
> > ??? wrote:
> >> Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >>>   not sure if anyone will find the following informative, but i'll
> > <I'm sure we've all seen enough of this>
> >
> >>> There are unfinished transactions remaining. You might consider running
> >>> yum-complete-transaction first to finish them.
> >>> --> Running transaction check
> >>> ---> Package gnome-games-help.noarch 1:2.25.92-1.fc11 set to be erased
> >>> ---> Package gnome-games-help.i386 1:2.25.5-1.fc11 set to be erased
> > It's interesting one's noarch and the other is not.
>  
>  that funny "duplication" existed for a few other packages.  i removed
>  them manually, then tried the update again and that's when things
>  melted down entirely.  that's when i gave up and just did a
>  re-install.
>  
>  i will *not* be doing an update, apart from the rpm/yum-related
>  packages. 
Well, you could always backup the system first. Or test in a VM, if you 
can get a VM working well enough.

I don't mind encouraging others to further adventures.



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[Bill Crawford]

On Wednesday 04 March 2009 13:23:30 John Summerfield wrote:
...
>  One way of taking notes is
>  chattr +a .bash_history
>  and then taking care to "exec -l bash" occasionally. 
Or, one of "history -a" or "shopt -s histappend".