How to become fedora tester?

[Valent Turkovic]

Hi, I some great features in rawhide and would like to check them out.
I tried this and it fails to give gui after that, I see that X starts
but I don't see gdm or gnome even trying to start...

How I tried to become rawhide tester? Here is how:
Installed clean F8 Live CD on ext3 8GB partition with separate /home
(shared with other distros I have)
updated F8 with latest patches and rebooted (300MB of updates!)
forced yum to use development updates with "yum updates
--enablerepo=development"
and after 600MB of updates I restarted with no gui
I deleted xorg.xonf and tried another go and nothing happened.

Is there another way to become a rawhide tester?

Cheers,
Valent.

[Andrew Farris]

Valent Turkovic wrote:
> Hi, I some great features in rawhide and would like to check them out.
> I tried this and it fails to give gui after that, I see that X starts
> but I don't see gdm or gnome even trying to start...
>
> How I tried to become rawhide tester? Here is how:
> Installed clean F8 Live CD on ext3 8GB partition with separate /home
> (shared with other distros I have)
> updated F8 with latest patches and rebooted (300MB of updates!)
> forced yum to use development updates with "yum updates
> --enablerepo=development"
> and after 600MB of updates I restarted with no gui
> I deleted xorg.xonf and tried another go and nothing happened.
>
> Is there another way to become a rawhide tester?
>
> Cheers,
> Valent.

Its highly advisable not to share your /home with rawhide, since app settings 
and such saved in there can really wreak havoc, and keeping in mind many of the 
rawhide packages get built right out of bleeding code changes... its not 
guaranteed not to delete it all.  Unless thats backed up often its just not 
worth losing your shared configs/setup/data...

If you can, its best to just give it its own partitions home and all, in an lvm 
if you want, but separate anyway.

One method for installing is to get the boot.iso from the development mirror and 
burn it and use that to do an install.  You can then do network install from the 
mirror (find the url to the closest mirror for you, ftp or http).  You need the 
path to the directory os, or rather where you find the /Packages directory.

What you tried to do should work, but often doesn't this early in devel.. after 
the alpha alot of the upgrade path issues tend to get fixed (missing requires, 
etc).  The yum upgrade does need tested though. ;)

Usually, going for rpm, python, glibc, and yum first, then doing the full 
upgrade works best for me, but as a few emails to the list recently pointed out 
some problems occurred trying to do yum first (I think that should be fixed).

[Valent Turkovic]

On Jan 23, 2008 1:34 PM, Andrew Farris  wrote:
> Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > Hi, I some great features in rawhide and would like to check them out.
> > I tried this and it fails to give gui after that, I see that X starts
> > but I don't see gdm or gnome even trying to start...
> >
> > How I tried to become rawhide tester? Here is how:
> > Installed clean F8 Live CD on ext3 8GB partition with separate /home
> > (shared with other distros I have)
> > updated F8 with latest patches and rebooted (300MB of updates!)
> > forced yum to use development updates with "yum updates
> > --enablerepo=development"
> > and after 600MB of updates I restarted with no gui
> > I deleted xorg.xonf and tried another go and nothing happened.
> >
> > Is there another way to become a rawhide tester?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Valent.
>
> Its highly advisable not to share your /home with rawhide, since app settings
> and such saved in there can really wreak havoc, and keeping in mind many of the
> rawhide packages get built right out of bleeding code changes... its not
> guaranteed not to delete it all.  Unless thats backed up often its just not
> worth losing your shared configs/setup/data...
>
> If you can, its best to just give it its own partitions home and all, in an lvm
> if you want, but separate anyway.

Maybe I wasn't clear, I only share the partition not the user name. So
my regular fedora 8 username would be /home/valent or something like
that, and my rawhide home folder would be /home/rawhide
I tested rawhide before it became fedora 8 and I had no issues with
this setup - rawhide didn't go outside it's sandbox (/home/rawhide)
and regular username is is isolated from rawhide. This is of course
just my observation and it is probable best to keep them on separate
partition.
> One method for installing is to get the boot.iso from the development mirror and
> burn it and use that to do an install.  You can then do network install from the
> mirror (find the url to the closest mirror for you, ftp or http).  You need the
> path to the directory os, or rather where you find the /Packages directory.

Thank you, I'll try that right now.

[John Summerfield]

Andrew Farris wrote:
> Its highly advisable not to share your /home with rawhide,

Oh.
My home directory, on Tikanga-clone, dates back to RHL 7.3 (maybe 
earlier) and comes via a time on Debian Woody and Sarge when Sarge was 
testing. If I look around, and I have since I installed Tikanga-clone, I 
can find vestiges of my Debian settings.

It's true that I did not ever go back to an earlier release of anything. 
It's also true that I use KDE, not Gnome

I did have a problem at the time of the transition from RHL 5.x to 6.0, 
when my desktop was on an NFS share, and going back to 5.x from 6.0 was 
impeded. Sharing with Mandrake back then didn't work well either.

[Andrew Farris]

John Summerfield wrote:
> Andrew Farris wrote:
> > Its highly advisable not to share your /home with rawhide,
>
> Oh.
> My home directory, on Tikanga-clone, dates back to RHL 7.3 (maybe 
> earlier) and comes via a time on Debian Woody and Sarge when Sarge was 
> testing. If I look around, and I have since I installed Tikanga-clone, I 
> can find vestiges of my Debian settings.
>
> It's true that I did not ever go back to an earlier release of anything. 
> It's also true that I use KDE, not Gnome
>
> I did have a problem at the time of the transition from RHL 5.x to 6.0, 
> when my desktop was on an NFS share, and going back to 5.x from 6.0 was 
> impeded. Sharing with Mandrake back then didn't work well either.

My main desktop system's home also dates back to RHL (tho I think it was 
formatted for 8), but I would still argue it is smarter not to mix rawhide and 
anything else writing to the same home.  I have tarballed and moved my home a 
number of times to change partition schemes and format; using XFS on my home now 
(apparently just because I can, no other argument for why).

[Valent Turkovic]

On Jan 23, 2008 1:34 PM, Andrew Farris  wrote:
> Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > Hi, I some great features in rawhide and would like to check them out.
> > I tried this and it fails to give gui after that, I see that X starts
> > but I don't see gdm or gnome even trying to start...
> >
> > How I tried to become rawhide tester? Here is how:
> > Installed clean F8 Live CD on ext3 8GB partition with separate /home
> > (shared with other distros I have)
> > updated F8 with latest patches and rebooted (300MB of updates!)
> > forced yum to use development updates with "yum updates
> > --enablerepo=development"
> > and after 600MB of updates I restarted with no gui
> > I deleted xorg.xonf and tried another go and nothing happened.
> >
> > Is there another way to become a rawhide tester?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Valent.
>
> Its highly advisable not to share your /home with rawhide, since app settings
> and such saved in there can really wreak havoc, and keeping in mind many of the
> rawhide packages get built right out of bleeding code changes... its not
> guaranteed not to delete it all.  Unless thats backed up often its just not
> worth losing your shared configs/setup/data...
>
> If you can, its best to just give it its own partitions home and all, in an lvm
> if you want, but separate anyway.
>
> One method for installing is to get the boot.iso from the development mirror and
> burn it and use that to do an install.  You can then do network install from the
> mirror (find the url to the closest mirror for you, ftp or http).  You need the
> path to the directory os, or rather where you find the /Packages directory.

Could I bother somebody with a bit more specific instuctions.
I wen't to this link:
http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/
and the link to rawhide mirrors is broken :(
http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/development/
The requested URL /mirrorlists/publiclist//Fedora/development/ was not
found on this server.

[Valent Turkovic]

On Jan 23, 2008 2:00 PM, Valent Turkovic  wrote:
> On Jan 23, 2008 1:34 PM, Andrew Farris  wrote:
> > Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > > Hi, I some great features in rawhide and would like to check them out.
> > > I tried this and it fails to give gui after that, I see that X starts
> > > but I don't see gdm or gnome even trying to start...
> > >
> > > How I tried to become rawhide tester? Here is how:
> > > Installed clean F8 Live CD on ext3 8GB partition with separate /home
> > > (shared with other distros I have)
> > > updated F8 with latest patches and rebooted (300MB of updates!)
> > > forced yum to use development updates with "yum updates
> > > --enablerepo=development"
> > > and after 600MB of updates I restarted with no gui
> > > I deleted xorg.xonf and tried another go and nothing happened.
> > >
> > > Is there another way to become a rawhide tester?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Valent.
> >
> > Its highly advisable not to share your /home with rawhide, since app settings
> > and such saved in there can really wreak havoc, and keeping in mind many of the
> > rawhide packages get built right out of bleeding code changes... its not
> > guaranteed not to delete it all.  Unless thats backed up often its just not
> > worth losing your shared configs/setup/data...
> >
> > If you can, its best to just give it its own partitions home and all, in an lvm
> > if you want, but separate anyway.
> >
> > One method for installing is to get the boot.iso from the development mirror and
> > burn it and use that to do an install.  You can then do network install from the
> > mirror (find the url to the closest mirror for you, ftp or http).  You need the
> > path to the directory os, or rather where you find the /Packages directory.
>
> Could I bother somebody with a bit more specific instuctions.
> I wen't to this link:
> http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/
> and the link to rawhide mirrors is broken :(
> http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/development/
> The requested URL /mirrorlists/publiclist//Fedora/development/ was not
> found on this server.

I found this:
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/

[Development discussions related to Fedora]

Valent Turkovic wrote:
> On Jan 23, 2008 2:00 PM, Valent Turkovic  wrote:
> > Could I bother somebody with a bit more specific instuctions.
> > I wen't to this link:
> > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/
> > and the link to rawhide mirrors is broken :(
> > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/development/
> > The requested URL /mirrorlists/publiclist//Fedora/development/ was not
> > found on this server.

It is possible that the creation and distribution of the alpha iso's is 
in action at the moment {couple of days}, and that first link wont be 
available again until the alpha release ?

By the way jesse post yesterday {ish} contained a little info on some 
~alpha "rescue isos for use with "...

DaveT.

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 00:43:34 +1100,
  David Timms  wrote:
> Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > On Jan 23, 2008 2:00 PM, Valent Turkovic  wrote:
> > > Could I bother somebody with a bit more specific instuctions.
> > > I wen't to this link:
> > > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/
> > > and the link to rawhide mirrors is broken :(
> > > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/development/
> > > The requested URL /mirrorlists/publiclist//Fedora/development/ was not
> > > found on this server.
>
> It is possible that the creation and distribution of the alpha iso's is 
> in action at the moment {couple of days}, and that first link wont be 
> available again until the alpha release ?

You can also test using a yum upgrade. I am in the process of doing this
now and found some missing obsoletes that I filed bugzilla's for. yum
upgrade is better at handling those as they will often block the upgrade
where as with using anaconda things will appear to work correctly, but you'll
end up with orphans.

[Valent Turkovic]

On Jan 23, 2008 2:02 PM, Valent Turkovic  wrote:
> On Jan 23, 2008 2:00 PM, Valent Turkovic  wrote:
> > On Jan 23, 2008 1:34 PM, Andrew Farris  wrote:
> > > Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > > > Hi, I some great features in rawhide and would like to check them out.
> > > > I tried this and it fails to give gui after that, I see that X starts
> > > > but I don't see gdm or gnome even trying to start...
> > > >
> > > > How I tried to become rawhide tester? Here is how:
> > > > Installed clean F8 Live CD on ext3 8GB partition with separate /home
> > > > (shared with other distros I have)
> > > > updated F8 with latest patches and rebooted (300MB of updates!)
> > > > forced yum to use development updates with "yum updates
> > > > --enablerepo=development"
> > > > and after 600MB of updates I restarted with no gui
> > > > I deleted xorg.xonf and tried another go and nothing happened.
> > > >
> > > > Is there another way to become a rawhide tester?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Valent.
> > >
> > > Its highly advisable not to share your /home with rawhide, since app settings
> > > and such saved in there can really wreak havoc, and keeping in mind many of the
> > > rawhide packages get built right out of bleeding code changes... its not
> > > guaranteed not to delete it all.  Unless thats backed up often its just not
> > > worth losing your shared configs/setup/data...
> > >
> > > If you can, its best to just give it its own partitions home and all, in an lvm
> > > if you want, but separate anyway.
> > >
> > > One method for installing is to get the boot.iso from the development mirror and
> > > burn it and use that to do an install.  You can then do network install from the
> > > mirror (find the url to the closest mirror for you, ftp or http).  You need the
> > > path to the directory os, or rather where you find the /Packages directory.
> >
> > Could I bother somebody with a bit more specific instuctions.
> > I wen't to this link:
> > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/
> > and the link to rawhide mirrors is broken :(
> > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/development/
> > The requested URL /mirrorlists/publiclist//Fedora/development/ was not
> > found on this server.
>
> I found this:
> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/

I downloaded and burned boot.iso from
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/image...
folder and started to install rawhide and that also failed :(
Am I jinxed? :)

I statred network install and used
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/
as url to install from.
Installation started ok but stopped at 460 package of 906.

I get an error message:
kudzu-1.2.82-1-i386.rpm cannot be opened :( This is due to a missing
file or corrupt file.

And I have retry or reboot, and retry just shows the same message over
and over again...

uf :(

[Valent Turkovic]

On Jan 23, 2008 4:14 PM, Valent Turkovic  wrote:
> On Jan 23, 2008 2:02 PM, Valent Turkovic  wrote:
> > On Jan 23, 2008 2:00 PM, Valent Turkovic  wrote:
> > > On Jan 23, 2008 1:34 PM, Andrew Farris  wrote:
> > > > Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > > > > Hi, I some great features in rawhide and would like to check them out.
> > > > > I tried this and it fails to give gui after that, I see that X starts
> > > > > but I don't see gdm or gnome even trying to start...
> > > > >
> > > > > How I tried to become rawhide tester? Here is how:
> > > > > Installed clean F8 Live CD on ext3 8GB partition with separate /home
> > > > > (shared with other distros I have)
> > > > > updated F8 with latest patches and rebooted (300MB of updates!)
> > > > > forced yum to use development updates with "yum updates
> > > > > --enablerepo=development"
> > > > > and after 600MB of updates I restarted with no gui
> > > > > I deleted xorg.xonf and tried another go and nothing happened.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there another way to become a rawhide tester?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Valent.
> > > >
> > > > Its highly advisable not to share your /home with rawhide, since app settings
> > > > and such saved in there can really wreak havoc, and keeping in mind many of the
> > > > rawhide packages get built right out of bleeding code changes... its not
> > > > guaranteed not to delete it all.  Unless thats backed up often its just not
> > > > worth losing your shared configs/setup/data...
> > > >
> > > > If you can, its best to just give it its own partitions home and all, in an lvm
> > > > if you want, but separate anyway.
> > > >
> > > > One method for installing is to get the boot.iso from the development mirror and
> > > > burn it and use that to do an install.  You can then do network install from the
> > > > mirror (find the url to the closest mirror for you, ftp or http).  You need the
> > > > path to the directory os, or rather where you find the /Packages directory.
> > >
> > > Could I bother somebody with a bit more specific instuctions.
> > > I wen't to this link:
> > > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/
> > > and the link to rawhide mirrors is broken :(
> > > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/development/
> > > The requested URL /mirrorlists/publiclist//Fedora/development/ was not
> > > found on this server.
> >
> > I found this:
> > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/
>
> I downloaded and burned boot.iso from
> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/image...
> folder and started to install rawhide and that also failed :(
> Am I jinxed? :)
>
> I statred network install and used
> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/
> as url to install from.
> Installation started ok but stopped at 460 package of 906.
>
> I get an error message:
> kudzu-1.2.82-1-i386.rpm cannot be opened :( This is due to a missing
> file or corrupt file.
>
> And I have retry or reboot, and retry just shows the same message over
> and over again...
>
> uf :(

looks kudzu got updated as I was trying to install it... looks like I
need to give it another try, reboot it is...

http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/Packa...

[Andrew Farris]

Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > I get an error message:
> > kudzu-1.2.82-1-i386.rpm cannot be opened :( This is due to a missing
> > file or corrupt file.
> >
> > And I have retry or reboot, and retry just shows the same message over
> > and over again...
> >
> > uf :(
>
> looks kudzu got updated as I was trying to install it... looks like I
> need to give it another try, reboot it is...
>
> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/Packa...

Yep thats exactly what happened (my test install failed that way last night 
too).  Generally overnight installs from the primary fedora repo (redhat) are 
going to be dangerous because of that... the build system seems to regularly 
update that repo between 2am and 7am EST (just my observation).  When a file 
changes anaconda cannot handle it and fails the install.

[Valent Turkovic]

On Jan 23, 2008 11:37 PM, Andrew Farris  wrote:
> Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > > I get an error message:
> > > kudzu-1.2.82-1-i386.rpm cannot be opened :( This is due to a missing
> > > file or corrupt file.
> > >
> > > And I have retry or reboot, and retry just shows the same message over
> > > and over again...
> > >
> > > uf :(
> >
> > looks kudzu got updated as I was trying to install it... looks like I
> > need to give it another try, reboot it is...
> >
> > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/Packa...
>
> Yep thats exactly what happened (my test install failed that way last night
> too).  Generally overnight installs from the primary fedora repo (redhat) are
> going to be dangerous because of that... the build system seems to regularly
> update that repo between 2am and 7am EST (just my observation).  When a file
> changes anaconda cannot handle it and fails the install.
>
> --
> Andrew Farris  
>   gpg 0xC99B1DF3 fingerprint CDEC 6FAD BA27 40DF 707E A2E0 F0F6 E622 C99B 1DF3
> No one now has, and no one will ever again get, the big picture. - Daniel Geer

3rd time and I succeeded :) finally..

[Valent Turkovic]

On Jan 24, 2008 1:04 PM, Valent Turkovic  wrote:
> On Jan 23, 2008 11:37 PM, Andrew Farris  wrote:
> > Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > > > I get an error message:
> > > > kudzu-1.2.82-1-i386.rpm cannot be opened :( This is due to a missing
> > > > file or corrupt file.
> > > >
> > > > And I have retry or reboot, and retry just shows the same message over
> > > > and over again...
> > > >
> > > > uf :(
> > >
> > > looks kudzu got updated as I was trying to install it... looks like I
> > > need to give it another try, reboot it is...
> > >
> > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/development/i386/os/Packa...
> >
> > Yep thats exactly what happened (my test install failed that way last night
> > too).  Generally overnight installs from the primary fedora repo (redhat) are
> > going to be dangerous because of that... the build system seems to regularly
> > update that repo between 2am and 7am EST (just my observation).  When a file
> > changes anaconda cannot handle it and fails the install.
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Farris  
> >   gpg 0xC99B1DF3 fingerprint CDEC 6FAD BA27 40DF 707E A2E0 F0F6 E622 C99B 1DF3
> > No one now has, and no one will ever again get, the big picture. - Daniel Geer
>
> 3rd time and I succeeded :) finally..

I have found out the hard way that you need to carry the piece of
paper with the fedora mirrors url with you when you need to install it
via network :)
Why is this [1] RFE from 2001 still not in anaconda?!? It doesn't seam
such a hard thing to add.

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=35236

Cheers,
Valent.

[Rahul Sundaram]

Valent Turkovic wrote:
> I have found out the hard way that you need to carry the piece of
> paper with the fedora mirrors url with you when you need to install it
> via network :)
> Why is this [1] RFE from 2001 still not in anaconda?!? It doesn't seam
> such a hard thing to add.
>
> [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=35236

It isn't anymore. Just needs someone to do it and IIRC I read in Seth 
Vidal's blog that there are plans to do this shortly.

Rahul

[Valent Turkovic]

On Jan 25, 2008 9:29 AM, Rahul Sundaram  wrote:
> Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > I have found out the hard way that you need to carry the piece of
> > paper with the fedora mirrors url with you when you need to install it
> > via network :)
> > Why is this [1] RFE from 2001 still not in anaconda?!? It doesn't seam
> > such a hard thing to add.
> >
> > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=35236
>
> It isn't anymore. Just needs someone to do it and IIRC I read in Seth
> Vidal's blog that there are plans to do this shortly.
>
> Rahul

Sound great.

Valent