9:45 p.m.
I just ran yum update (I always use yum or smart in text mode) to update
rawhide.
/etc/inittab is set to level 3 as default.
Upon reboot, to my amusement, it booted into runlevel 5. I said to
myself, "Self, it probably did something to /etc/inittab."
However, inittab was still set to runlevel 3. I figured that maybe
there was some other obvious place where it was starting gdm, but I
haven't been able to find it.
In the end, I fixed it by adding
3
to the end of the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.list.
Is this a bug or a new feature?
What made it worse was that there was no option to choose a session. I
use fluxbox and this left me with nothing but Gnome.
<brief meaningless rant> Why, if Fedora is a testbed for RedHat, which is
primarily aimed at the enterprise and, I would assume, primarily a
server, tie itself so heavily to Gnome? How many sysadmins want a box
booting into Gnome?
</brief meaningless rant>
That's actually a serious question, but this list isn't the place for
it, ergo, the rant tag. :)
(Although I assume there is a logical answer, and if someone knows it
and wants to share, please do.)
Anyway, if this is going to be a new feature, ignoring an inittab that
would almost be certainly already be deliberately edited by the user, as
a default installation sets it to 5, I hope it is going to be
documented.
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9:59 p.m.
On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Scott Robbins wrote:
I just ran yum update (I always use yum or smart in text mode) to
update
rawhide.
/etc/inittab is set to level 3 as default.
Upon reboot, to my amusement, it booted into runlevel 5. I said to
myself, "Self, it probably did something to /etc/inittab."
However, inittab was still set to runlevel 3. I figured that maybe
there was some other obvious place where it was starting gdm, but I
haven't been able to find it.
/etc/inittab is obsolete in upstart
in /etc/sysconfig/init set
GRAPHICAL=no
Dennis
10:08 p.m.
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 09:59:44PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Scott Robbins wrote:
> I just ran yum update (I always use yum or smart in text mode) to update
> rawhide.
>
> /etc/inittab is set to level 3 as default.
> Upon reboot, to my amusement, it booted into runlevel 5. I said to
> myself, "Self, it probably did something to /etc/inittab."
> However, inittab was still set to runlevel 3. I figured that maybe
> there was some other obvious place where it was starting gdm, but I
> haven't been able to find it.
/etc/inittab is obsolete in upstart
in /etc/sysconfig/init set
GRAPHICAL=no
Excellent, Thank you. I haven't been keeping up with the documentation
as much as someone running rawhide should do.
And, many thanks for the very quick response.
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11:38 a.m.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 08:52:34AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Excellent, Thank you. I haven't been keeping up with the
documentation
> as much as someone running rawhide should do.
Wouldn't have helped in this case; it's not been documented.
I'll follow up on fedora-devel; this may change slightly before
release.
What about a small patch for /etc/inittab? Something appearing right
above or below the default init line saying, NOTE, THIS NO LONGER
DETERMINES RUNLEVEL, blah blah. As this comes into beta, I think
there's going to be frequent questions.
As a sidebar, after learning that, I did a bit of googling. The Ubuntu
people were apparently slow about documenting it when they implemented
it as well--I got several hits along the lines of, I tried to edit
/etc/inittab but I don't see such a file.
(One was pretty funny--someone else more or less condescendingly
mentioned it's been replaced, the answer was something like, Sorry, when
the howto says edit /etc/inittab, I figured there would be such a file.)
At any rate, it does seem to boot more quickly though that could be my
imagination. :)
I did note that sysconfig/init isn't documented, which increases my
gratitude for the quick and simple solution that I was given.
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1:08 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:50:28PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Scott Robbins (scottro(a)nyc.rr.com) said:
> I did note that sysconfig/init isn't documented, which increases my
> gratitude for the quick and simple solution that I was given.
/usr/share/doc/initscripts-<version>/sysconfig.txt. That being said,
that's somewhat out of date.
That was my lack of clarity. I meant that when I looked at the release
notes on the web site, I didn't see mention of it there.
Mental shorthand, and I apologize.
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8:30 p.m.
Scott Robbins wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 08:52:34AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> Excellent, Thank you. I haven't been keeping up with the documentation
>> as much as someone running rawhide should do.
> Wouldn't have helped in this case; it's not been documented.
>
> I'll follow up on fedora-devel; this may change slightly before
> release.
What about a small patch for /etc/inittab? Something appearing right
above or below the default init line saying, NOTE, THIS NO LONGER
DETERMINES RUNLEVEL, blah blah. As this comes into beta, I think
there's going to be frequent questions.
Good one:-) Mine's been changed, I added a few more mingetty lines,
added --noclear to one. And changed the default runlevel.
Replacing inittab isn't, i think, a good idea.
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8:44 p.m.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:30:13AM +0900, John Summerfield wrote:
Scott Robbins wrote:
>>
>What about a small patch for /etc/inittab? Something appearing right
>above or below the default init line saying, NOTE, THIS NO LONGER
>DETERMINES RUNLEVEL, blah blah. As this comes into beta, I think
>there's going to be frequent questions.
Good one:-) Mine's been changed, I added a few more mingetty lines, added
The
reason I say put it right above or below that line and in upper case
is because I suspect a lot of people do what I do--we open the file, our
eye goes right to that line, we change it and close it. For instance,
if there had been a note at the beginning of the file when I went to
edit it, I would have missed it the first time. (I like to think I
would have caught it the second time, when it booted into level 5 and I
went back to look and see what had happened.)
It seems the majority of people boot into level 5, and for those folks,
I think that even as is, it might be completely transparent.
Still we textmode booting folks aren't completely extinct yet. :)
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8:19 a.m.
On 27/03/2008, Dennis Gilmore <dennis(a)ausil.us> wrote:
/etc/inittab is obsolete in upstart
in /etc/sysconfig/init set
GRAPHICAL=no
Aha. That would explain why I can't put "--noclear" on the mingetty
line in inittab to be able to read the error messages that, it
appears, upstart spews onto my screen *just before* starting the
login: prompts. The ones which appear to have "_init" in them, but I
can't read, because they disappear so fast.
Where would I edit the options for the terminal login process?
8:33 p.m.
Bill Crawford wrote:
On 27/03/2008, Dennis Gilmore <dennis(a)ausil.us> wrote:
> /etc/inittab is obsolete in upstart
>
> in /etc/sysconfig/init set
>
> GRAPHICAL=no
Aha. That would explain why I can't put "--noclear" on the mingetty
line in inittab to be able to read the error messages that, it
appears, upstart spews onto my screen *just before* starting the
login: prompts. The ones which appear to have "_init" in them, but I
can't read, because they disappear so fast.
Where would I edit the options for the terminal login process?
find /etc -type f 2>/dev/null -exec grep -H mingetty {} \;
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8:32 a.m.
Dennis Gilmore wrote:
On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Scott Robbins wrote:
> I just ran yum update (I always use yum or smart in text mode) to update
> rawhide.
>
> /etc/inittab is set to level 3 as default.
> Upon reboot, to my amusement, it booted into runlevel 5. I said to
> myself, "Self, it probably did something to /etc/inittab."
> However, inittab was still set to runlevel 3. I figured that maybe
> there was some other obvious place where it was starting gdm, but I
> haven't been able to find it.
/etc/inittab is obsolete in upstart
Then it should probably be saved as inittab.rpmsave by the upstart package
to reduce possible confusion.
Regards,
Dennis
11:33 a.m.
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 14:32 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 March 2008, Scott Robbins wrote:
>> I just ran yum update (I always use yum or smart in text mode) to update
>> rawhide.
>>
>> /etc/inittab is set to level 3 as default.
>> Upon reboot, to my amusement, it booted into runlevel 5. I said to
>> myself, "Self, it probably did something to /etc/inittab."
>> However, inittab was still set to runlevel 3. I figured that maybe
>> there was some other obvious place where it was starting gdm, but I
>> haven't been able to find it.
>
> /etc/inittab is obsolete in upstart
Then it should probably be saved as inittab.rpmsave by the upstart package
to reduce possible confusion.
Except that it actually *is* used by upstart, in a way - it reads the
'id:' line to figure out the default runlevel. But as Bill said, this
may change before release.
-w
12:50 p.m.
Will Woods (wwoods(a)redhat.com) said:
> Then it should probably be saved as inittab.rpmsave by the
upstart package
> to reduce possible confusion.
Except that it actually *is* used by upstart, in a way - it reads the
'id:' line to figure out the default runlevel. But as Bill said, this
may change before release.
Not may change, has changed.
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