5:52 p.m.
Why do we continue to refer to "core" in package names -- fc13 rather
than f13 -- long after Core and Extras were merged? Enquiring minds want
to know.
--Doc Savage
Fairview Heights, IL
6:15 p.m.
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 17:52:58 -0600,
"Robert G. (Doc) Savage" <dsavage(a)peaknet.net> wrote:
Why do we continue to refer to "core" in package names --
fc13 rather
than f13 -- long after Core and Extras were merged? Enquiring minds want
to know.
The short answer is that it breaks things.
This has been discussed on the lists several times including about a month
ago.
6:37 p.m.
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 18:15 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 17:52:58 -0600,
"Robert G. (Doc) Savage" <dsavage(a)peaknet.net> wrote:
> Why do we continue to refer to "core" in package names -- fc13 rather
> than f13 -- long after Core and Extras were merged? Enquiring minds want
> to know.
The short answer is that it breaks things.
This has been discussed on the lists several times including about a month
ago.
Far more radical changes are discussed here every day. Many are adopted
even though breakage is predicted. What better time to change than the
earliest days of a new release?
Nike.
--Doc Savage
Fairview Heights, IL
6:50 p.m.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 00:37, Robert G. (Doc) Savage
<dsavage(a)peaknet.net> wrote:
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 18:15 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 17:52:58 -0600,
> "Robert G. (Doc) Savage" <dsavage(a)peaknet.net> wrote:
> > Why do we continue to refer to "core" in package names -- fc13 rather
> > than f13 -- long after Core and Extras were merged? Enquiring minds want
> > to know.
>
> The short answer is that it breaks things.
>
> This has been discussed on the lists several times including about a month
> ago.
Far more radical changes are discussed here every day. Many are adopted
even though breakage is predicted. What better time to change than the
earliest days of a new release?
The kinds of breakages that are introduced all the time in rawhide are
breakages that are supposed to be fixed before actually releasing the
next fedora release. The breakages caused by changing the name are
primarily issues that cross release boundaries. The biggest issue that
has been brought up is that the .fcXX is actually part of the package
version and whilst fc13 is greater than fc12, f13 is lower than fc12.
That means that any time that the same version of a package is
released in both F12 and F13 which is quite common then upgrades fail.
The whole subject has been discussed to death and in short the
problems of changing it outweigh the advantages. It is one letter
versus a whole load of complaints from people with failed upgrades.
--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary
and those who don't...
8:49 p.m.
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 18:37:34 -0600,
"Robert G. (Doc) Savage" <dsavage(a)peaknet.net> wrote:
Far more radical changes are discussed here every day. Many are adopted
even though breakage is predicted. What better time to change than the
earliest days of a new release?
The idea was you were supposed to go back and read the old threads.
If you really have a new take on things, you can bring them up. Otherwise
it isn't worth rehashing this issue again.
1:24 a.m.
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 18:37 -0600, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote:
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 18:15 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 17:52:58 -0600,
> "Robert G. (Doc) Savage" <dsavage(a)peaknet.net> wrote:
> > Why do we continue to refer to "core" in package names -- fc13
rather
> > than f13 -- long after Core and Extras were merged? Enquiring minds want
> > to know.
>
> The short answer is that it breaks things.
>
> This has been discussed on the lists several times including about a month
> ago.
Far more radical changes are discussed here every day. Many are adopted
even though breakage is predicted. What better time to change than the
earliest days of a new release?
Those are changes that actually bring some kind of benefit. As others
have said, please read the many other threads on this.
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
6:23 a.m.
New subject: Why not remove the 'c' appendix?
On 12/14/2009 10:52 AM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote:
Why do we continue to refer to "core" in package names --
fc13 rather
than f13 -- long after Core and Extras were merged? Enquiring minds want
to know.
think of the c as "collection" aka the fedora package
collection, at
least I think that is what I was told some time ago.
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