criterion update proposal: Keyboard layout configuration in the Initial setup

[Kamil Paral]

This is related to bug 2003253 [1]. As reported in comment 1, our current
"Keyboard layout configuration" criterion [2] specifies where the
configured keyboard layout must be honored. It doesn't specify the initial
setup utility, which seems like a clear omission, because in that utility
you create your system user, connect to wifi, etc, so a correct keyboard
layout is definitely important, and is in line with all the other places
specified.

I propose to edit the existing criterion and add the following (probably as
the second bullet point):
* In the "initial setup" utility (if applicable)

So the final wording would be:
~~~~
If a particular keyboard layout has been configured for the system, that
keyboard layout must be used:
* When unlocking encrypted storage volumes during boot (but see footnotes)
* In the "initial setup" utility (if applicable)
* When logging in at a console
* When logging in via the default login manager for a release-blocking
desktop
* After logging in to a release-blocking desktop, if the user account does
not have its own keyboard layout configuration for that desktop (if there
is such a user/desktop-specific configuration, it must be used when that
user logs in to that desktop)
~~~~

Please comment, thank you.


[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2003253
[2]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_35_Final_Release_Criteria#Keyboard_...

[Ben Cotton]

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 9:23 AM Kamil Paral <kparal(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  This is related to bug 2003253 [1]. As reported in comment 1, our current "Keyboard
> layout configuration" criterion [2] specifies where the configured keyboard layout
> must be honored. It doesn't specify the initial setup utility, which seems like a
> clear omission, because in that utility you create your system user, connect to wifi, etc,
> so a correct keyboard layout is definitely important, and is in line with all the other
> places specified.
>  
The current criterion could certainly be interpreted to implicitly
require the initial setup utility to honor the layout. (It would be
very odd to require it to be honored when decrypting a disk and at the
console, but not in-between.) I'm in favor of your proposal.

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[Geoffrey Marr]

This sounds appropriate to me. +1.

Geoff Marr
IRC: coremodule


On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 7:57 AM Ben Cotton <bcotton(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 9:23 AM Kamil Paral <kparal(a)redhat.com&gt;
> wrote:
>  >
>  > This is related to bug 2003253 [1]. As reported in comment 1, our
>  current "Keyboard layout configuration" criterion [2] specifies where the
>  configured keyboard layout must be honored. It doesn't specify the initial
>  setup utility, which seems like a clear omission, because in that utility
>  you create your system user, connect to wifi, etc, so a correct keyboard
>  layout is definitely important, and is in line with all the other places
>  specified.
>  >
>  The current criterion could certainly be interpreted to implicitly
>  require the initial setup utility to honor the layout. (It would be
>  very odd to require it to be honored when decrypting a disk and at the
>  console, but not in-between.) I'm in favor of your proposal.
>
>  --
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>  He / Him / His
>  Fedora Program Manager
>  Red Hat
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[Sumantro Mukherjee]

The wording sounds acceptable to me +1

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 6:53 PM Kamil Paral <kparal(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  This is related to bug 2003253 [1]. As reported in comment 1, our current "Keyboard
> layout configuration" criterion [2] specifies where the configured keyboard layout
> must be honored. It doesn't specify the initial setup utility, which seems like a
> clear omission, because in that utility you create your system user, connect to wifi, etc,
> so a correct keyboard layout is definitely important, and is in line with all the other
> places specified.
>
>  I propose to edit the existing criterion and add the following (probably as the second
> bullet point):
>  * In the "initial setup" utility (if applicable)
>
>  So the final wording would be:
>  ~~~~
>  If a particular keyboard layout has been configured for the system, that keyboard layout
> must be used:
>  * When unlocking encrypted storage volumes during boot (but see footnotes)
>  * In the "initial setup" utility (if applicable)
>  * When logging in at a console
>  * When logging in via the default login manager for a release-blocking desktop
>  * After logging in to a release-blocking desktop, if the user account does not have its
> own keyboard layout configuration for that desktop (if there is such a
> user/desktop-specific configuration, it must be used when that user logs in to that
> desktop)
>  ~~~~
>
>  Please comment, thank you.
>
>
>  [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2003253
>  [2]
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_35_Final_Release_Criteria#Keyboard_...
>
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[Kevin Fenzi]

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 03:22:38PM +0200, Kamil Paral wrote:
>  This is related to bug 2003253 [1]. As reported in comment 1, our
> current
>  "Keyboard layout configuration" criterion [2] specifies where the
>  configured keyboard layout must be honored. It doesn't specify the initial
>  setup utility, which seems like a clear omission, because in that utility
>  you create your system user, connect to wifi, etc, so a correct keyboard
>  layout is definitely important, and is in line with all the other places
>  specified.
>  
>  I propose to edit the existing criterion and add the following (probably as
>  the second bullet point):
>  * In the "initial setup" utility (if applicable)
>  
>  So the final wording would be:
>  ~~~~
>  If a particular keyboard layout has been configured for the system, that
>  keyboard layout must be used:
>  * When unlocking encrypted storage volumes during boot (but see footnotes)
>  * In the "initial setup" utility (if applicable)
>  * When logging in at a console
>  * When logging in via the default login manager for a release-blocking
>  desktop
>  * After logging in to a release-blocking desktop, if the user account does
>  not have its own keyboard layout configuration for that desktop (if there
>  is such a user/desktop-specific configuration, it must be used when that
>  user logs in to that desktop)
>  ~~~~
>  
>  Please comment, thank you. 
Sounds reasonable to me, +1.

kevin

[Adam Williamson]

On Tue, 2021-09-14 at 15:22 +0200, Kamil Paral wrote:
>  This is related to bug 2003253 [1]. As reported in comment 1, our
> current
>  "Keyboard layout configuration" criterion [2] specifies where the
>  configured keyboard layout must be honored. It doesn't specify the initial
>  setup utility, which seems like a clear omission, because in that utility
>  you create your system user, connect to wifi, etc, so a correct keyboard
>  layout is definitely important, and is in line with all the other places
>  specified.
>  
>  I propose to edit the existing criterion and add the following (probably as
>  the second bullet point):
>  * In the "initial setup" utility (if applicable)
>  
>  So the final wording would be:
>  ~~~~
>  If a particular keyboard layout has been configured for the system, that
>  keyboard layout must be used:
>  * When unlocking encrypted storage volumes during boot (but see footnotes)
>  * In the "initial setup" utility (if applicable)
>  * When logging in at a console
>  * When logging in via the default login manager for a release-blocking
>  desktop
>  * After logging in to a release-blocking desktop, if the user account does
>  not have its own keyboard layout configuration for that desktop (if there
>  is such a user/desktop-specific configuration, it must be used when that
>  user logs in to that desktop)
>  ~~~~
>  
>  Please comment, thank you. 
+1, makes sense.
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[Kamil Paral]

On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 3:22 PM Kamil Paral <kparal(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  This is related to bug 2003253 [1]. As reported in comment 1, our
> current
>  "Keyboard layout configuration" criterion [2] specifies where the
>  configured keyboard layout must be honored. It doesn't specify the initial
>  setup utility, which seems like a clear omission, because in that utility
>  you create your system user, connect to wifi, etc, so a correct keyboard
>  layout is definitely important, and is in line with all the other places
>  specified.
>
>  I propose to edit the existing criterion and add the following (probably
>  as the second bullet point):
>  * In the "initial setup" utility (if applicable)
>
>  So the final wording would be:
>  ~~~~
>  If a particular keyboard layout has been configured for the system, that
>  keyboard layout must be used:
>  * When unlocking encrypted storage volumes during boot (but see footnotes)
>  * In the "initial setup" utility (if applicable)
>  * When logging in at a console
>  * When logging in via the default login manager for a release-blocking
>  desktop
>  * After logging in to a release-blocking desktop, if the user account does
>  not have its own keyboard layout configuration for that desktop (if there
>  is such a user/desktop-specific configuration, it must be used when that
>  user logs in to that desktop)
>  ~~~~
>
>  Please comment, thank you.
>
>
>  [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2003253
>  [2]
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_35_Final_Release_Criteria#Keyboard_...
>
>  
After multiple approvals and no complaints, the change is now live:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Fedora_35_Final_Release_Crite...