3:57 p.m.
The dual panels where great!, does that mean it's going to be a
standard in fedora core?
4:07 p.m.
On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 05:57 +0800, joelbryan wrote:
The dual panels where great!, does that mean it's going to be a
standard in fedora core?
Um ... whadaya mean? It already is. Create a new user on an FC3 box
and login to see.
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11:13 a.m.
On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 23:11 -0300, Alexandre Strube wrote:
Em Sáb, 2004-12-04 às 17:07 -0500, Paul Iadonisi escreveu:
> On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 05:57 +0800, joelbryan wrote:
> > The dual panels where great!, does that mean it's going to be a
> > standard in fedora core?
Is it great? I thought just less space to my applications.
It used to be a 48 pixel bottom panel - now you have two 24 pixel
panels. No less space ...
Cheers,
Mark.
12:46 p.m.
On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 12:13 -0500, Mark McLoughlin wrote:
It used to be a 48 pixel bottom panel - now you have two 24 pixel
panels. No less space ...
I use a 24-pixel bottom panel only. :-)
However, while you are mathematically correct in any case, the same is
not true perceptually. Due to the placement of screens and the eye's
tendency to scan top-to-bottom, pixels at the top of the screen are
perceived as being more prominent than those at the bottom. So even
though no more space is being taken, the space that *is* used is now
more valuable space... so the user does see a difference.
Cheers,
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12:58 p.m.
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:13:55 -0500, Mark McLoughlin <markmc(a)redhat.com> wrote:
It used to be a 48 pixel bottom panel - now you have two 24
pixel
panels. No less space ...
I need to file a bug about this.....
i noticed that managed windows will be obscured by the bottom panel,
while the window manager seems to make an effort to keep windows from
appearing underneath or on top of the upper panel. So this is a
slightly different than the 1 upper panel case.
-jef"would still like to see aspects of the brightside project infused
into the panel behavior, so i can 'throw' my cursor into a corner and
have the volume mute without having to target or click at all...
though the 2 panels idea gets closer to that goal"spaleta
1:18 p.m.
Am Montag, den 06.12.2004, 13:58 -0500 schrieb Jeff Spaleta:
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:13:55 -0500, Mark McLoughlin
<markmc(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> It used to be a 48 pixel bottom panel - now you have two 24 pixel
> panels. No less space ...
I need to file a bug about this.....
i noticed that managed windows will be obscured by the bottom panel,
while the window manager seems to make an effort to keep windows from
appearing underneath or on top of the upper panel. So this is a
slightly different than the 1 upper panel case.
-jef"would still like to see aspects of the brightside project infused
into the panel behavior, so i can 'throw' my cursor into a corner and
have the volume mute without having to target or click at all...
though the 2 panels idea gets closer to that goal"spaleta
just FYI, brightside currently finds its way into fedora.us:
http://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=2317
CU
thl
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3:44 p.m.
"Rodolfo J. Paiz" <rpaiz(a)simpaticus.com> writes:
On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 12:13 -0500, Mark McLoughlin wrote:
> It used to be a 48 pixel bottom panel - now you have two 24 pixel
> panels. No less space ...
>
I use a 24-pixel bottom panel only. :-)
However, while you are mathematically correct in any case, the same is
not true perceptually. Due to the placement of screens and the eye's
tendency to scan top-to-bottom, pixels at the top of the screen are
perceived as being more prominent than those at the bottom. So even
though no more space is being taken, the space that *is* used is now
more valuable space... so the user does see a difference.
To make space less of a factor:
Put this in one of the `display' subsections of `Screen' section in
/etc/X11/xorg.conf. Use the display subsection that contains your
`DefaultDepth' line (if you have one):
Virtual 1600 1280
This will give you a nice large desktop to flop around on.
I've used it for years. May take some getting used to since you can
pan around with the mouse.
11:34 p.m.
Mark McLoughlin wrote:
On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 23:11 -0300, Alexandre Strube wrote:
>Em Sáb, 2004-12-04 às 17:07 -0500, Paul Iadonisi escreveu:
>
>
>>On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 05:57 +0800, joelbryan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The dual panels where great!, does that mean it's going to be a
>>>standard in fedora core?
>>>
>>>
>Is it great? I thought just less space to my applications.
>
>
It used to be a 48 pixel bottom panel - now you have two 24 pixel
panels. No less space ...
Cheers,
Mark.
Am I missing something? Users have always had the ability to create
"dual" panels. Plus, they can change the size of the panels. I've played
around with a top panel for some time, and I have generally changed the
size of my bottom panel.
Terry
12:16 a.m.
On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 21:34, Terry Linhardt wrote:
Am I missing something? Users have always had the ability to create
"dual" panels. Plus, they can change the size of the panels. I've played
around with a top panel for some time, and I have generally changed the
size of my bottom panel.
Yes, you can still customize it any way you want but the Fedora default
is now the same as the Gnome default, one panel at the top and one at
the bottom. This is all just about sane defaults.
Since it's easily customizable, and also something that's definitely a
personal preference, I'd be inclined to think that whichever way is OK
as default...
/Per
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11:28 a.m.
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:16:58 -0800, Per Bjornsson <perbj(a)stanford.edu> wrote:
Since it's easily customizable, and also something that's
definitely a
personal preference, I'd be inclined to think that whichever way is OK
as default...
Not only is it easily customizable, but having it default to two
panels saves me the time and effort of having to customize it when I
do a fresh install. Fitt's law and all, you know. It's easier (and
more efficient) to hit things that are on the edge of the screen,
where your target is infinitely large.
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1:54 p.m.
man, 06.12.2004 kl. 19.58 skrev Jeff Spaleta:
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:13:55 -0500, Mark McLoughlin
<markmc(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> It used to be a 48 pixel bottom panel - now you have two 24 pixel
> panels. No less space ...
I need to file a bug about this.....
i noticed that managed windows will be obscured by the bottom panel,
while the window manager seems to make an effort to keep windows from
appearing underneath or on top of the upper panel. So this is a
slightly different than the 1 upper panel case.
-jef"would still like to see aspects of the brightside project infused
into the panel behavior, so i can 'throw' my cursor into a corner and
have the volume mute without having to target or click at all...
though the 2 panels idea gets closer to that goal"spaleta
I would be happy if the volume thingy actually had a muted symbol...
2:05 p.m.
On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 20:54 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
I would be happy if the volume thingy actually had a muted symbol...
Eh? Which version, and what theme are you using? Mine does have a red
diagonal line across it when muted using Bluecurve and gnome-
applets-2.8.0-5.
/Per
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2:15 p.m.
tir, 07.12.2004 kl. 21.05 skrev Per Bjornsson:
On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 20:54 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
> I would be happy if the volume thingy actually had a muted symbol...
Eh? Which version, and what theme are you using? Mine does have a red
diagonal line across it when muted using Bluecurve and gnome-
applets-2.8.0-5.
/Per
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Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Applied Physics, Stanford University
Bluecurve. On this box (an fc2 machine): 2.6.2.1
On the fc3 box i am not completely shure, but i think it has never been
updated since the release. I can check it tomorrow, when i am finished
with my math midterm.
2:23 p.m.
On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 21:15 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
tir, 07.12.2004 kl. 21.05 skrev Per Bjornsson:
>
> Eh? Which version, and what theme are you using? Mine does have a red
> diagonal line across it when muted using Bluecurve and gnome-
> applets-2.8.0-5.
Bluecurve. On this box (an fc2 machine): 2.6.2.1
On the fc3 box i am not completely shure, but i think it has never been
updated since the release. I can check it tomorrow, when i am finished
with my math midterm.
OK. I don't have FC2 handy to look at here; this machine is a fully
updated FC3.
Per
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